DUST Search - CCP Rattati, it's time to buff the cloak...

gustavo acosta wrote:

There was once a time that the consensus was that it wasn't that cloak scouts had range on scans while cloaked, but that scouts could over take the role of an assault because of their ability to brick tank. Passive scanning, like hp tanking is currently, was supposed to be something you benefit from if you dedicate your suit to it.

Passive scanning is a joke because the active scanner did not get nerfed accordingly. Because apparently giving up an equipment slot is much more taxing to a suit than sacrificing all HP capabilities to avoid detection, or see the some of enemy team.

I'm disgusted that even though the dev post did in fact say that all scans would lose directional, but they didn't. Active scanners are 100x better than passives at this point, they don't worry about the circle of e-war, they have a fixed, long range, they even show you exactly how the enemy is oriented. People may argue "but you can get under an active scanner in a scout," well it's not like any E-war scout is gonna scan them.

Beyond all that the scout's main equipment, the cloak, actually penalizes them further for something they dedicated their suit to. Yes the thing that's supposed to help the suit shine, actually hinders the scout from avoiding detection. Vision alone is obviously not enough considering all the weapons in game have a minimum of 30m, to entertain that thought is asinine especially with the amount of hp that people who actually dedicate suits to E-war get.

Anyway, I'm so very glad that it was the FOTM chasing "scouts" that decided that the only way to fix scouts was to buff assaults, and nerf e-war to the point of irrelevance. I mean it's not like E-war was the role of scout suits or anything right? It's not like there was a bigger issue that was completely ignored because another suit became viable, right?

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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1634	Posted - 2015.02.02 03:50:00 - [1] - Quote The cloak user can be seen from a mile away, I mean, I can head shot those guys with a sniper rifle is how easily they are spotted. I'm not asking you to change that but it needs to be re-balanced. It doesn't really offer much for how much it takes away. Not only does it make all those precision enhancers and range extenders you put on useless, it gives are a really long battle wise delay. 1 second delay is enough for weapons to do 400+ damage and 900+ incase of the HMG. BUT- since we have no ewar while using cloak, this increases out chances of run face first into an enemy and adding in the stupid delay- we are literally at a disadvantage every single time. I spent 2.5 million + SP to get my Prototype Caldari Scout and when I cloak up, I lose all my ewar. No wonder no scout uses precision enhancers when running fits with a cloak. It's not fair!! Give me either one, either give me my ewar back or give me no decloak delay. It is super annoying being blinder than a heavy. Not only does it not make sense that a scout has worse ewar than a heavy, but on top of that, the stupid delay makes life impossible. The current ewar system is pretty bad for scouts, our range is really low even while decloaked, range extenders are a waste of slot and on top of that, the cloak takes away all the range. I mean, you might aswell use a logistics suit for ewar than a scout because we are now not even scouting. Scouts are the guys that hide and have no clue where the enemy is. This is the role being projected at me when I lost 85% of my range. Have you seen caldari scouts is PC? They all have 453 shields because since this stupid cloak range nerf, there is not one reason to use a precision enhancer. Also- Gal logi does a scouts job 5x better. I can literally sit in a corner all match in my dampened gal logi and provide ewar with my 4 scanners TO THE WHOLE TEAM and get WP out of it. What does it scout do? TL;DR remove the range nerf while cloaked, it is a huge nerf to those scouts that actually used to run ewar. Scouts that used to run ewar depended on the cloak because they usually had like 200-300 ehp but since the cloak takes away all the bonuses instead of running ewar, everybody brick tanks. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6288	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:04:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: No wonder no scout uses precision enhancers when running fits with a cloak. One Precision Enhancer on an MN/CA/GA Scout will pick up single damp'd Assaults (30dB). I run one often. I do not disagree with you that cloak needs work. I'd personally like to see shimmer refined. It'd also be great if the decloak delay trigger were fixed. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:10:00 - [3] - Quote Potential methods to use cloak use: 1:Sneak around the battlefield. 2:Decloak behind and away from the enemy. 3: Scan 4: Hit them in the rear. 5:Profit
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1637	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:11:00 - [4] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Potential methods to use cloak use: 1:Sneak around the battlefield. 2:Decloak behind and away from the enemy. 3: Scan 4: Hit them in the rear. 5:Profit How am I suppose to do #2 when I have no clue where the enemy is. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 59	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:12:00 - [5] - Quote I think that before the nerf there were scouts with more than 500 armor... with cloaks... Now, its true that its not like before, when you had an amazing ewar; you knew where every enemy was and they didnt know where you were, and you could just appear in a second and BOOM!!! SHOTGUN!!! Ah... I miss that... However, its not so different now, not if you pay attention to your surroundings (the ewar part), and even tough its true that if you find a heavy around the corner you are dead, you can still easily kill enemies from behind, the side, and even face to face, if you have a nice strategy... wich is something people tend to forget when they complain about this or that, asking for a nerf or a buff (its not personal nor against you); a scout is not a clone that should fight in the open, neither against many targets, nor in a situation where he cant find cover in case he/she needs to escape, also, the cloak its a great tool not to to run from one side of the map to the other side, but to ambush, run away or hide. But thats just my opinion. So... -+a second too long? Maybe. But if you anticipate and you have a plan, a second is more than enough.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1637	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:13:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: No wonder no scout uses precision enhancers when running fits with a cloak. One Precision Enhancer on an MN/CA/GA Scout will pick up single damp'd Assaults (30dB) on mid-range scans. You'll otherwise miss 'em. I run one often. I do not disagree with you that cloak needs work. I'd personally like to see shimmer refined. It'd also be great if the decloak delay trigger were fixed. Tell me if you pick up my Assault when you are cloaked. I could be running right behind you while you are cloaked and u have no clue. Heavies can flank scouts that are cloaked. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 828	Posted - 2015.02.02 04:17:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Potential methods to use cloak use: 1:Sneak around the battlefield. 2:Decloak behind and away from the enemy. 3: Scan 4: Hit them in the rear. 5:Profit How am I suppose to do #2 when I have no clue where the enemy is. What happened to the "Eyes are OP" statements thrown around before the cloak was nerfed. I think that the cloak should be less clunky, and there is room for improvement. But if "Eyes are OP" was a valid response for why the cloak should not have been nerfed in the first place, then it should be more than a valid response for how you should pick up the other non-cloaked suits on the field. Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6925	Posted - 2015.02.02 05:19:00 - [8] - Quote Eyes are OP. You should use them. AV
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1642	Posted - 2015.02.02 05:36:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Eyes are OP. You should use them. Eyes may be OP but cloak is UP. Anyway, if eyes were so OP, why would so many people use ewar mods? Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 103	Posted - 2015.02.02 05:45:00 - [10] - Quote I do not agree with buffing the cloak. I think it is just fine and scouts have been put in place as 'scouts'. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.

gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 848	Posted - 2015.02.02 06:08:00 - [11] - Quote There was once a time that the consensus was that it wasn't that cloak scouts had range on scans while cloaked, but that scouts could over take the role of an assault because of their ability to brick tank. Passive scanning, like hp tanking is currently, was supposed to be something you benefit from if you dedicate your suit to it. Passive scanning is a joke because the active scanner did not get nerfed accordingly. Because apparently giving up an equipment slot is much more taxing to a suit than sacrificing all HP capabilities to avoid detection, or see the some of enemy team. I'm disgusted that even though the dev post did in fact say that all scans would lose directional, but they didn't. Active scanners are 100x better than passives at this point, they don't worry about the circle of e-war, they have a fixed, long range, they even show you exactly how the enemy is oriented. People may argue "but you can get under an active scanner in a scout," well it's not like any E-war scout is gonna scan them. Beyond all that the scout's main equipment, the cloak, actually penalizes them further for something they dedicated their suit to. Yes the thing that's supposed to help the suit shine, actually hinders the scout from avoiding detection. Vision alone is obviously not enough considering all the weapons in game have a minimum of 30m, to entertain that thought is asinine especially with the amount of hp that people who actually dedicate suits to E-war get. Anyway, I'm so very glad that it was the FOTM chasing "scouts" that decided that the only way to fix scouts was to buff assaults, and nerf e-war to the point of irrelevance. I mean it's not like E-war was the role of scout suits or anything right? It's not like there was a bigger issue that was completely ignored because another suit became viable, right? GimmeDatSuhWeet isk #We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2015.02.02 07:17:00 - [12] - Quote Cal scout sniper checking in. I use my cloak to get away from players getting too close and it works 90% of the time. I do agree that the nerf was over done but I do like the range reduction just not at the complete levels it is at. close range should be 90%, mid 60%, and long 30% of range and precision levels. Even still, I would rather have that long switch between cloak and weapon reduced so I can shoot them lifeless turret operators from 2m away in the head with my SR without having to decloak deep in enemy near where they spawn. Either way, fix or no, I still like my adv cloak, and see no reason to go proto with it. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 613	Posted - 2015.02.02 08:40:00 - [13] - Quote Do not touch the cloak. No Buff needed Leave ASS Is. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2006	Posted - 2015.02.02 08:49:00 - [14] - Quote they need to fix: -delay applying when you are not even cloaked -aim assist locking on to cloaked scout you havent seen -crosshair turning red when moving over cloaked scout you havent seen find solution for that and I am happy.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1377	Posted - 2015.02.02 10:03:00 - [15] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: stuff Bruh, totally worth using a lot slot for 15% of 25 Sooo ***** worth it for 3.75 meters. Like holy ** that's a whole 8.8 CPU per meter of range! If I ran two, I could get a whole 7.4 more range! Such a good use of slots, why doesn't everyone use this? I'm the Rayman of uplinks. 21 day EVE trial.
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3538	Posted - 2015.02.02 11:42:00 - [16] - Quote Your looking at the cloak the wrong way, it's a defensive tool now to run away and survive not charge and attack. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2006	Posted - 2015.02.02 12:23:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Your looking at the cloak the wrong way, it's a defensive tool now to run away and survive not charge and attack. it does not work as defensive tool well either. cloaked scout is easy enough to spot with regular eye sight. additionally to that, aim assist locks on to a cloaked and crosshair turns red close to a cloaked scout regardless if you actually saw him or not. cloak delay is also applied regardless if you are cloaked or not. fix those issues and we can talk about using the cloak as defensive tool.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4474	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:19:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Potential methods to use cloak use: 1:Sneak around the battlefield. 2:Decloak behind and away from the enemy. 3: Scan 4: Hit them in the rear. 5:Profit How am I suppose to do #2 when I have no clue where the enemy is. Standard issue Eyeballs and a friendly active scan. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:55:00 - [19] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I do not agree with buffing the cloak. I think it is just fine and scouts have been put in place as 'scouts'. You mean brick tanked assault like suits? Because not one scout on the field actually runs the scout suit scouting. It's pretty sad scouts are using Acrive scanners. Even Caldari scouts. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:57:00 - [20] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: There was once a time that the consensus was that it wasn't that cloak scouts had range on scans while cloaked, but that scouts could over take the role of an assault because of their ability to brick tank. Passive scanning, like hp tanking is currently, was supposed to be something you benefit from if you dedicate your suit to it. Passive scanning is a joke because the active scanner did not get nerfed accordingly. Because apparently giving up an equipment slot is much more taxing to a suit than sacrificing all HP capabilities to avoid detection, or see the some of enemy team. I'm disgusted that even though the dev post did in fact say that all scans would lose directional, but they didn't. Active scanners are 100x better than passives at this point, they don't worry about the circle of e-war, they have a fixed, long range, they even show you exactly how the enemy is oriented. People may argue "but you can get under an active scanner in a scout," well it's not like any E-war scout is gonna scan them. Beyond all that the scout's main equipment, the cloak, actually penalizes them further for something they dedicated their suit to. Yes the thing that's supposed to help the suit shine, actually hinders the scout from avoiding detection. Vision alone is obviously not enough considering all the weapons in game have a minimum of 30m, to entertain that thought is asinine especially with the amount of hp that people who actually dedicate suits to E-war get. Anyway, I'm so very glad that it was the FOTM chasing "scouts" that decided that the only way to fix scouts was to buff assaults, and nerf e-war to the point of irrelevance. I mean it's not like E-war was the role of scout suits or anything right? It's not like there was a bigger issue that was completely ignored because another suit became viable, right? 100% correct. Couldn't agree with you more. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris

Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:58:00 - [21] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Do not touch the cloak. No Buff needed Leave ASS Is. What is your reason? Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2457	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:58:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: I do not agree with buffing the cloak. I think it is just fine and scouts have been put in place as 'scouts'. You mean brick tanked assault like suits? Because not one scout on the field actually runs the scout suit scouting. It's pretty sad scouts are using Acrive scanners. Even Caldari scouts. Why is that sad? They're scouts. Why shouldn't they use the tools available to them to improve their ability to scout? We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:59:00 - [23] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Potential methods to use cloak use: 1:Sneak around the battlefield. 2:Decloak behind and away from the enemy. 3: Scan 4: Hit them in the rear. 5:Profit How am I suppose to do #2 when I have no clue where the enemy is. Standard issue Eyeballs and a friendly active scan. So some form of ewar? I cant just spin 360 all match making sure nobody sneaking up on me from back. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:01:00 - [24] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: I do not agree with buffing the cloak. I think it is just fine and scouts have been put in place as 'scouts'. You mean brick tanked assault like suits? Because not one scout on the field actually runs the scout suit scouting. It's pretty sad scouts are using Acrive scanners. Even Caldari scouts. Why is that sad? They're scouts. Why shouldn't they use the tools available to them to improve their ability to scout? Because maybe we skilled into scouts so we don't have to use those active scanners. I skilled into a Cadalri scout to have good passive scans, which I dont. A suit built around scanning shouldn't have to use a freking scanner. Dude, do you get any dumber? Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2457	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:04:00 - [25] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: I do not agree with buffing the cloak. I think it is just fine and scouts have been put in place as 'scouts'. You mean brick tanked assault like suits? Because not one scout on the field actually runs the scout suit scouting. It's pretty sad scouts are using Acrive scanners. Even Caldari scouts. Why is that sad? They're scouts. Why shouldn't they use the tools available to them to improve their ability to scout? Because maybe we skilled into scouts so we don't have to use those active scanners. I skilled into a Cadalri scout to have good passive scans, which I dont. A suit built around scanning shouldn't have to use a freking scanner. Dude, do you get any dumber? lol says the one who is grasping at straws so much he feels the need to ad hom.... We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:09:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: I do not agree with buffing the cloak. I think it is just fine and scouts have been put in place as 'scouts'. You mean brick tanked assault like suits? Because not one scout on the field actually runs the scout suit scouting. It's pretty sad scouts are using Acrive scanners. Even Caldari scouts. Why is that sad? They're scouts. Why shouldn't they use the tools available to them to improve their ability to scout? Because maybe we skilled into scouts so we don't have to use those active scanners. I skilled into a Cadalri scout to have good passive scans, which I dont. A suit built around scanning shouldn't have to use a freking scanner. Dude, do you get any dumber? lol says the one who is grasping at straws so much he feels the need to ad hom.... You mean making a valid argument while you are over their blabbering your ass off thinking you got something inside that peanut of a brain. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2457	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:17:00 - [27] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: You mean making a valid argument while you are over their blabbering your ass off thinking you got something inside that peanut of a brain. Scouts are intended to wait for it........ Scout the enemy. So it stands to reason that if there are tools available that improve their ability to scout, they should use them. Sorry that you got so caught up in "WAAHAHAHHHAHHH I can't do what I thought I could do with a suit so I'll cry to mama CCP to change the game to suit me even though there are respecs available on the market" that you couldn't actually listen to reason while over there stroking your ego thinking you actually had a legitimate argument. Have fun crying in your thread tool, I see now what this thread is and I am not going to waste anymore time on it. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1646	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:20:00 - [28] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: You mean making a valid argument while you are over their blabbering your ass off thinking you got something inside that peanut of a brain. Scouts are intended to wait for it........ Scout the enemy. So it stands to reason that if there are tools available that improve their ability to scout, they should use them. Sorry that you got so caught up in "WAAHAHAHHHAHHH I can't do what I thought I could do with a suit so I'll cry to mama CCP to change the game to suit me even though there are respecs available on the market" that you couldn't actually listen to reason while over there stroking your ego thinking you actually had a legitimate argument. Have fun crying in your thread tool, I see now what this thread is and I am not going to waste anymore time on it. So, according to your argument, a Gallante Logistcs is the only real scout? I mean, they have bonuses toward Active Scanners... Also-listen to your self "that you couldn't actually listen to reason while over there stroking your ego thinking you actually had a legitimate argument." That is a prime example of your logic. Edit: Do you even know what this thread is about? If scouts were for scouting, why do we get a bonus to a piece of equipment that penalizes our scout role? Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 830	Posted - 2015.02.02 15:23:00 - [29] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Potential methods to use cloak use: 1:Sneak around the battlefield. 2:Decloak behind and away from the enemy. 3: Scan 4: Hit them in the rear. 5:Profit How am I suppose to do #2 when I have no clue where the enemy is. Standard issue Eyeballs and a friendly active scan. So some form of ewar? I cant just spin 360 all match making sure nobody sneaking up on me from back. Again, this is the same argument that was used against non-cloak users to defend themselves from sneak attack. It was just phrased differently: "Always check your surroundings..." "Never assume you are alone or safe..." etc. I'm not sure if you were part of the group of scouts who made that argument. However, 'you' (in an abstract sense of the word) can't have your cake and eat it too. The situation you're describing sounds like the situation that non-cloak users are in when they fight cloak users. So, you should be able to use the same advice that was given before. Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 827	Posted - 2015.02.02 15:50:00 - [30] - Quote Can the range reduction at least go please? I mean really? We already have varying levels of ewar now, but i dont even clearly know the levels aside from close, mid, and long. Now nerf that by 85%. If a scout is for scouting, then why is it I have to be looking at a hostile to see them. That's not scouting anymore. Thats called Combat. "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner Official 0uter.Heaven Mascot XD Moody come back SWBF3!!



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