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re: cal sent not being for HMGs - it doesnt get a bonus to FGs or HMGs, it can use HMGs just as well as the amarr heavy.
Thats like saying amarr assault isnt supposed to use an SMG, its sidearm is supposed to be a scrambler pistol.

I dont want shields and armor to be the same - i just want shields to not suck.
the point is that currently shields have significantly less HP and damage than armor suits, meanwhile armor has just as much regen because of rep hives and tools.

ill admit i got alittle carried away with that rep tool talk

So I am starting to see the ever increase petition to make the scrambler rifle have a 15/15 profile because Laser weapons are too good at taking out shields even tho that's what it is meant to do!

Now, part of this problem I think comes from thanks to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons. Face it shield users. There are more Anti-Armor weapons in the game AND the most used weapons in matches are Anti-Armor so anyone with a shield suit is not used to almost any weakness. If you take that into the shield suit users whining, it means that they are so used to get git with weapons that do minimal damage to their shields, that when a specialty weapon designed yo destroy shields comes inyo play, they cry and whine how said weapon is OP.

Now for damage profiles. There are currently 5 damage profiles.

Plasma +10/-10

Rail -10/+10

Projectile -15/+15

Laser +20/-20

Explosive -20/+20

Now look at that. 3 damage profiles designed to take out armor. Yet do you see any armor suit user complaining about these? Do you seeany armor suit user complaining how the Projectile and Explosive chew right threw armor like it was nothing? No. Even if RR, HMGs and CRs are the most used weapons in the battlefield, you almosy never see an armor suit user whining about.

But now, if a Laser weapons comes into play, a shield suit user will scream for a nerf to it's profile.
Again, this most likely comes do to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons and them being so used to be getting hit with those that when an Anti-Shield weapon comes out, they think its OP.

Can the weapon use some changes? Yeah.
Does the damage profile need some chanages? No.

Is there a weapon that does 1000 DPS to armor? Until then, stfu and let me complain. Also, Armor suits naturally have more armor than shield suits have shield.

He doesnt have to be repairing ALL the time, especially with just a basic or mlt rep. repping after the fight or from around a corner while heavily damaged.
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So I am starting to see the ever increase petition to make the scrambler rifle have a 15/15 profile because Laser weapons are too good at taking out shields even tho that's what it is meant to do!

Now, part of this problem I think comes from thanks to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons. Face it shield users. There are more Anti-Armor weapons in the game AND the most used weapons in matches are Anti-Armor so anyone with a shield suit is not used to almost any weakness. If you take that into the shield suit users whining, it means that they are so used to get git with weapons that do minimal damage to their shields, that when a specialty weapon designed yo destroy shields comes inyo play, they cry and whine how said weapon is OP.

Now for damage profiles. There are currently 5 damage profiles.

Plasma +10/-10

Rail -10/+10

Projectile -15/+15

Laser +20/-20

Explosive -20/+20

Now look at that. 3 damage profiles designed to take out armor. Yet do you see any armor suit user complaining about these? Do you seeany armor suit user complaining how the Projectile and Explosive chew right threw armor like it was nothing? No. Even if RR, HMGs and CRs are the most used weapons in the battlefield, you almosy never see an armor suit user whining about.

But now, if a Laser weapons comes into play, a shield suit user will scream for a nerf to it's profile.
Again, this most likely comes do to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons and them being so used to be getting hit with those that when an Anti-Shield weapon comes out, they think its OP.

Can the weapon use some changes? Yeah.
Does the damage profile need some chanages? No.

It is. Just because you are shield bias doesn't mean it won't make it OP.

A tool or module to make it pass the recharge delay with a 10 or 20 shield boost is enough to make shield suits better. I preffer the option of a module tho.

Is there a weapon that does 1000 DPS to armor? Until then, stfu and let me complain. Also, Armor suits naturally have more armor than shield suits have shield.

Nope you still lose someone slaying....if you are going to heal you do that ,because others assume you are around so they take more abuse....heck Ive walked out infront of crowds when i assume I still have a logi on me......only to get deleted.

This entire thread is just a cascade of fail.

I don't care even if the ScR becomes an anti armor weapon,hell I think i will like it even more. I'll just use an anti shield secondary then finish them of with the ScR. I will always use amarr tech and that won't change

Is there a weapon that does 1000 DPS to armor? Until then, stfu and let me complain. Also, Armor suits naturally have more armor than shield suits have shield.

Ps:

ASCR's will be very op In HFE, not only do they currently destroy shields like the ScR, but with the damage buff...it makes it better against armor and shield.
I know what weapon I'M using~ on my armor suit.

You guys.

Ratatti straight up told everyone that shield suits and armor suits are at parity.

Stop the ******* bitching already. Its been nothing but nonstop bitching from the shield using community for YEARS...
Seriously, you've been crying since Armor was buffed from absolesence in like, Uprising 1.3 or something...

Get it through your heads! If shields were ever as UP as you guys think they are, wouldn't they have actually done a serious buff to them in the almost 2 years since the armor buff, instead of a series of tiny buffs to close the gap that was, in reality, very small from the beginning.

No, they aren't at parity.
atleast not until laser and plasma get changed towards caldari suits.

100 damage per shot is just blatantly overpowered, shield suits have what, 500, 600 shields max?

No, they aren't at parity.
atleast not until laser and plasma get changed towards caldari suits.

100 damage per shot is just blatantly overpowered, shield suits have what, 500, 600 shields max?

My Amarr assault has 559 Armour...... am I complaining? Nope.

Shield suits can have as much eHP especially the Assault Frame than their armour counter parts AND have better self repair capability.

Most Amarr Assaults have way more than that. For example, my ADV fit has over 700 armour.

Lol Standard Plates.
Please don't use something which I have difficulty countering.

FTFY

Most Amarr Assaults have way more than that. For example, my ADV fit has over 700 armour.

Fully, maxed skilled CR [dmg mods, prof, minmando, warbarge] has less DPS vs armor than ScR [same skills, but w/o commando, so not fully skilled] vs shields.


If you want to understand why people are complaining, then use Caldari assault for few games.
Amarr will instantly destroy you.


In conclusion. CCP won't change anything. Sadly.