Fully, maxed skilled CR [dmg mods, prof, minmando, warbarge] has less DPS vs armor than ScR [same skills, but w/o commando, so not fully skilled] vs shields.


If you want to understand why people are complaining, then use Caldari assault for few games.
Amarr will instantly destroy you.


In conclusion. CCP won't change anything. Sadly.

Lol Standard Plates.
Get gud.

I was simply commenting that most armour Assaults have more EHP than shield Assaults, and as such, you can't treat them as the same.

My Amarr assault has 559 Armour...... am I complaining? Nope.

Shield suits can have as much eHP especially the Assault Frame than their armour counter parts AND have better self repair capability.

My amarr assault has 641 armor, or 680.

No delay, has shields, and 2 complex damage mods.

Also, shield regen doesn't matter if 1 shot removes most of your hp, or 1/5th of it, a ScR vs a shield tanking suit will always win, no exceptions. Assuming theu aren't noobs.

One shot literally numbers wise cannot remove all of your shields.

ScR charged shot modifier is either 3.25 or 3.5 and even assuming the 100+ damage figure people like to throw around that does not amount to 600 shield HP. Thing I find about shield users is that you take 50+ rep sec on a 1-2 second regen timer for granted....how can you not find cover in less.

One shot literally numbers wise cannot remove all of your shields.

ScR charged shot modifier is either 3.25 or 3.5 and even assuming the 100+ damage figure people like to throw around that does not amount to 600 shield HP. Thing I find about shield users is that you take 50+ rep sec on a 1-2 second regen timer for granted....how can you not find cover in less.

This entire thread is just a cascade of fail.

One shot literally numbers wise cannot remove all of your shields.

ScR charged shot modifier is either 3.25 or 3.5 and even assuming the 100+ damage figure people like to throw around that does not amount to 600 shield HP. Thing I find about shield users is that you take 50+ rep sec on a 1-2 second regen timer for granted....how can you not find cover in less.

directed to above poster

i consider a good recharge rate for shields is if you can regen in under 10 seconds...with armor i give it 20 max. What regen do you fit on your cal assault?

amount of shield regs? any plates?

Complex energizer for amarr assault.

So I am starting to see the ever increase petition to make the scrambler rifle have a 15/15 profile because Laser weapons are too good at taking out shields even tho that's what it is meant to do!

Now, part of this problem I think comes from thanks to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons. Face it shield users. There are more Anti-Armor weapons in the game AND the most used weapons in matches are Anti-Armor so anyone with a shield suit is not used to almost any weakness. If you take that into the shield suit users whining, it means that they are so used to get git with weapons that do minimal damage to their shields, that when a specialty weapon designed yo destroy shields comes inyo play, they cry and whine how said weapon is OP.

Now for damage profiles. There are currently 5 damage profiles.

Plasma +10/-10

Rail -10/+10

Projectile -15/+15

Laser +20/-20

Explosive -20/+20

Now look at that. 3 damage profiles designed to take out armor. Yet do you see any armor suit user complaining about these? Do you seeany armor suit user complaining how the Projectile and Explosive chew right threw armor like it was nothing? No. Even if RR, HMGs and CRs are the most used weapons in the battlefield, you almosy never see an armor suit user whining about.

But now, if a Laser weapons comes into play, a shield suit user will scream for a nerf to it's profile.
Again, this most likely comes do to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons and them being so used to be getting hit with those that when an Anti-Shield weapon comes out, they think its OP.

Can the weapon use some changes? Yeah.
Does the damage profile need some chanages? No.

This just convinces me that shield users just universally don't know how to fit suits at all.
Like WTF dude?
I've yet to see a shieldmaiden share a good fit. Ever.

Seriously, what good it an energizer on a suit that only has 145-180 shields? Especially if that energizer only gives you 13 more HP/s for that suit?

That complex module is making your tiny shield pool regen maybe 2-3s faster from empty...
A Myofibril would be better, even without the jump bonus...

Learn to actually fit suits, and maybe you can stop whining on the forums about how bad your suits are.


Seriously, use this fit I made instead. Its better than the one you are using...

I use it because extender wouldn't be that useful, and myofibs aren't changed yet, and it helps, I never have shield problems. Go use a minmatar commando without a shield recharger and look how unbearable the recharge is.

Oh and it has no pg requirements.
no myo because I don't melee, I'm using an amarr suit, so I won't be getting that close.


Your fit is not as good.
why use a armor rep, when the point of shield tanking is to not let your shields go down to the point you have 50 armor left.
replace that recharger for an energizer.
maybe replace an extender for another energizer for 87 reps? And replace your CR for an ARR, for hipfiring.

Isn't the CR best for hipfiring?

Isn't the CR best for hipfiring?

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/138/10130

Shield tanking officer suit.

CR because screw the officer RR, it has low dps.

Man I want an officer assault Ak.0

I use it because extender wouldn't be that useful, and myofibs aren't changed yet, and it helps, I never have shield problems. Go use a minmatar commando without a shield recharger and look how unbearable the recharge is.

Oh and it has no pg requirements.
no myo because I don't melee, I'm using an amarr suit, so I won't be getting that close.


Your fit is not as good.
why use a armor rep, when the point of shield tanking is to not let your shields go down to the point you have 50 armor left.
replace that recharger for an energizer.
maybe replace an extender for another energizer for 87 reps? And replace your CR for an ARR, for hipfiring.

The armor rep is useful in this case. It cuts 111s off of your depleted armor repair time, and while that never happens to a full extent, it's a lot more useful than the 2-3s you're cutting off with that energizer...
You should be ignoring your armor repair rate on any suit. The base repairs are always pitiful, so a repairer/reactive is useful no matter what suit you are on, because you will lose your shields sometimes. Close 1v1s are a thing, and you will lose shields, suits, so it's better to be able to get back to full HP at a fair speed, especially after those close fights. I try to keep my depleted armor time below 40s for all of my suits

You can replace an extended for an energizer/recharger if you want, as that is probably a play style choice, tbh. Its just me, but I'd prefer to have a stronger shields pool with an acceptable regen, rather than an acceptable pool with stronger regen.

The CR is also a personal choice. Fit an ARR if you want. I just don't like them.

I suggest trying the following fit cause it works very well if used properly

Assault ck.0
Complex Light Damage Modifier
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Energizer
Complex Shield Regulator
Complex Shield Regulator
Complex Reactive Plates
Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle
Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol or any other proto sidearm
Core Locus Grenade
Compact Nanohive

and then tell me shield tanked suits are weak to confirm that the person using it is actually a pathetic scrub

Lol, a damage mod instead of a extender? Why don't you use an armor suit for damage mods? Shield suits are for regen, not armor, and shield suits ARE weak, to non scrubs who use laser tech.

2 energizers on a cal assault cut more time off, and if you get shot in cover, wait 3-4 seconds and you have a decent amount back, 100 extra shields isn't going to let you win against a ScR, as that's the biggest issue.

my pro cally has 707 shields with a 2 sec delay . it dies in 3 secs to scramblers . charge shot plus 2 shots . scrambler need there charge shot taken away .

Complex energizer for amarr assault.

Caldaro assault, 3 complex extenders, 2 complex energizers
3 complex shield regulators

Pure shield tanking is terrible in matches where the enemies aren't scrubs.


Vism ScR, prof 2, 2 complex damage mods, 103 shield damage per shot.