So I am starting to see the ever increase petition to make the scrambler rifle have a 15/15 profile because Laser weapons are too good at taking out shields even tho that's what it is meant to do!

Now, part of this problem I think comes from thanks to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons. Face it shield users. There are more Anti-Armor weapons in the game AND the most used weapons in matches are Anti-Armor so anyone with a shield suit is not used to almost any weakness. If you take that into the shield suit users whining, it means that they are so used to get git with weapons that do minimal damage to their shields, that when a specialty weapon designed yo destroy shields comes inyo play, they cry and whine how said weapon is OP.

Now for damage profiles. There are currently 5 damage profiles.

Plasma +10/-10

Rail -10/+10

Projectile -15/+15

Laser +20/-20

Explosive -20/+20

Now look at that. 3 damage profiles designed to take out armor. Yet do you see any armor suit user complaining about these? Do you seeany armor suit user complaining how the Projectile and Explosive chew right threw armor like it was nothing? No. Even if RR, HMGs and CRs are the most used weapons in the battlefield, you almosy never see an armor suit user whining about.

But now, if a Laser weapons comes into play, a shield suit user will scream for a nerf to it's profile.
Again, this most likely comes do to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons and them being so used to be getting hit with those that when an Anti-Shield weapon comes out, they think its OP.

Can the weapon use some changes? Yeah.
Does the damage profile need some chanages? No.

I would change profile to the scrambler just for parity reason, divide laser in to 2 category, beam and pulse.
Beam should keep current profile, pulse should be +15/-15.

But like i've said i would like this just for parity reasons.

So I am starting to see the ever increase petition to make the scrambler rifle have a 15/15 profile because Laser weapons are too good at taking out shields even tho that's what it is meant to do!

Now, part of this problem I think comes from thanks to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons. Face it shield users. There are more Anti-Armor weapons in the game AND the most used weapons in matches are Anti-Armor so anyone with a shield suit is not used to almost any weakness. If you take that into the shield suit users whining, it means that they are so used to get git with weapons that do minimal damage to their shields, that when a specialty weapon designed yo destroy shields comes inyo play, they cry and whine how said weapon is OP.

Now for damage profiles. There are currently 5 damage profiles.

Plasma +10/-10

Rail -10/+10

Projectile -15/+15

Laser +20/-20

Explosive -20/+20

Now look at that. 3 damage profiles designed to take out armor. Yet do you see any armor suit user complaining about these? Do you seeany armor suit user complaining how the Projectile and Explosive chew right threw armor like it was nothing? No. Even if RR, HMGs and CRs are the most used weapons in the battlefield, you almosy never see an armor suit user whining about.

But now, if a Laser weapons comes into play, a shield suit user will scream for a nerf to it's profile.
Again, this most likely comes do to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons and them being so used to be getting hit with those that when an Anti-Shield weapon comes out, they think its OP.

Can the weapon use some changes? Yeah.
Does the damage profile need some chanages? No.

1. SCR out DPSes those anti armor weapons
2. Shields tend to have embarrassingly low hp, so anti armor weapons usually kill them as fast or faster than armor suits
3. If shields were more popular, so would SCRs
4. Explosives do +20/-20, but how much DPS does that mass driver do? how willing are you to use grenades instead of shooting that heavy?

The problem is an already high damage weapon gets a massive innate damage bonus to low HP suits. I dont know wwhy youre so against this change, it would actually end up helping the SCR in the current armor meta.

also, you can call shield users whiny when theres an anti-armor equivalent of flux grenades.
Finally, armor users dont whine about CR because they survuve longer vs a CR than a shield suit vs a SCR. ****, id wager my SCR kills shield heavies faster than my pro 5 HMG kills armor heavies.

Prof 5 SCR user and i support +15/-15

Is there a weapon that does 1000 DPS to armor? Until then, stfu and let me complain. Also, Armor suits naturally have more armor than shield suits have shield.

The problem is not the profiles, but the amount of HP armor and shield modules provide.

STD Shield = 33hp
STD Armor = 85hp

See the difference?

dude you make a really good point. Shield users also like to talk about tank but they should understand that that crazy shield regen comes at a price.
I use Amarr tech 90% of the time and i have no problem with a 15/-15 profile

So I am starting to see the ever increase petition to make the scrambler rifle have a 15/15 profile because Laser weapons are too good at taking out shields even tho that's what it is meant to do!

Now, part of this problem I think comes from thanks to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons. Face it shield users. There are more Anti-Armor weapons in the game AND the most used weapons in matches are Anti-Armor so anyone with a shield suit is not used to almost any weakness. If you take that into the shield suit users whining, it means that they are so used to get git with weapons that do minimal damage to their shields, that when a specialty weapon designed yo destroy shields comes inyo play, they cry and whine how said weapon is OP.

Now for damage profiles. There are currently 5 damage profiles.

Plasma +10/-10

Rail -10/+10

Projectile -15/+15

Laser +20/-20

Explosive -20/+20

Now look at that. 3 damage profiles designed to take out armor. Yet do you see any armor suit user complaining about these? Do you seeany armor suit user complaining how the Projectile and Explosive chew right threw armor like it was nothing? No. Even if RR, HMGs and CRs are the most used weapons in the battlefield, you almosy never see an armor suit user whining about.

But now, if a Laser weapons comes into play, a shield suit user will scream for a nerf to it's profile.
Again, this most likely comes do to the over abundance of Anti-Armor weapons and them being so used to be getting hit with those that when an Anti-Shield weapon comes out, they think its OP.

Can the weapon use some changes? Yeah.
Does the damage profile need some chanages? No.

The problem is not the profiles, but the amount of HP armor and shield modules provide.

STD Shield = 33hp
STD Armor = 85hp

See the difference?

Relatively sure ferroscales outperform extenders as well. I know they do at proto. proto ferroscales are at 75 hp.

On an unrelated note:
Max Skills Proto extender: 72 point whatever HP
Unskilled militia armor plate: 85 HP
Militia Rep tool: 40 HP/s

Armor still has more buffer and equal, if not more, regen.

Look at the price difference, look at the fitting difference, look at the SP difference

But that repair tool takes a guy off the battle whom could be doing something better. Not to mention an easy prey.

He doesnt have to be repairing ALL the time, especially with just a basic or mlt rep. repping after the fight or from around a corner while heavily damaged.

But not an overall shield repair tool that works exactly like the armor one. That would be too OP.

An item, identical to another item that already exists, but for use with a non-meta , underperforming tanking style, would be OP.
Lol OK.

I believe the weapon you are looking for is called the HMG.

And naturally? Naturally Caldari and Gallente suits mirror each other. Same eHP stats, stamina, everything.

Min and Amarr are the different ones. Amarr gets more eHP but is slower while Min gets less eHP while being faster.

Now modded, shields do have a natural high shield regen. So you guys can't have high HP and high natural regen in one suit.

Now before you come throwing the "but you guys have repair tools and rep hives"
I support the idea of shield suits having a light shield booster that lets them ignore the shield delay and begin rechraging the shoelds quickly and the idea of shields needing a damage threshold yo brake it's recharge phase.

And Rep hives were invented by the Caldari.

I'd like to point out that the HMG is a heavy weapon, scrambler is light.

By that logic the plasma cannon and forge gun should have similar damage output? sorry but that excuse doesn't make sense to me.

You make some good points here, but that one is just odd...

Relatively sure ferroscales outperform extenders as well. I know they do at proto. proto ferroscales are at 75 hp.

On an unrelated note:
Max Skills Proto extender: 72 point whatever HP
Unskilled militia armor plate: 85 HP

Look at the price difference, look at the fitting difference, look at the SP difference

EDIT: And to anyone who brings up the shield recharging, once you count rep hives and rep tools, armor ends up with better regen, or at the very least equal regen. Even ignoring the core focused rep tool and the fact that rep tools rep without daly when getting shot.
Also, even counting that one slot you have to sacrifice for a rep, armor suits still end up with more HP than shield suits, so are more likely to survive.

It is. Just because you are shield bias doesn't mean it won't make it OP.

A tool or module to make it pass the recharge delay with a 10 or 20 shield boost is enough to make shield suits better. I preffer the option of a module tho.

Im hardly shield biased - most of my suits are armor. I really want to like shields but they suck.
how would that make them OP? Lets do a little comparison.

'No Delay' Shield Rep tool
Armor: 125hp/s or more core focused. More believably, 75 hp/s BDR8 rep tool. No sacrifices as far as the person being repped goes - full brick tank all you want, just gives the repper more WP.
Shields: 40-80 HP/s. Increasing that requires trading some buffer. Still has less buffer than armor suits
Lower regen, lower buffer. Totally OP.

'Literal clone of armor rep tool' shield rep tool
Both shields and armor have the same HP/s. No negative for stacking buffer in either case.
Shields end up with equal regen, but still have less bufer and damage. Still totally OP.

Heaviea getting mutuly shield and armor repped would be OP.
A shield repair tool would encourage more sentinel spam. THAT'S why it's OP.

Heavies getting repped by a shield rep tool and an armor rep tool wouldnt be any more OP than a heavy getting repped by 2 armor rep tools.
Current armor rep tools already encourage heavy spam - you want those removed?
Shield rep tool would only ecourage shield heavy spam to be AT MOST equal to armor heavy spam. Dont forget that the shield heavies that would be getting repped (at the same speed as the armor heavies) would still have less total HP and do less damage.