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el OPERATOR wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

el OPERATOR wrote:

Point me please to the corp of 20 who has "indefinitely" held 10 districts? NyainSan, iirc, is MH oldest landholder and they've historically been a large group AND have had their territory counts fluctuate relative to the workings of MH. As I said previously Fighting, Buying or Scheming is what fuels the gears of MH. Enough of that applied by anyone towards anyone will generate results.

I do believe multiple corp PC runners have piped up stating that they only allow a set group to run PC. averaging between 18-25 bodies depending on the day over the last couple months in response to the intent to overhaul PC.

Especially among the "Don't listen to anyone but us on how to fix PC idiot crowd" who wish to keep the plebes entirely out of their playpen.

Dude, if there's anything the PC crowd wants it's people to fight. The more, the merrier. What I don't see any of them clamoring for is more of the LCD playerbase often seen ragequitting or redline vacationing in pubs/FW. If you aren't fighting, fighting for your victories AND your losses in those you're not going to get very far in PC.

Its kind of like homework. If your highschool homework load and the discipline needed to complete it is too much for you to handle then odds are a college workload will bury you. Quickly.

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7353	Posted - 2015.02.21 18:59:00 - [421] - Quote what I'm wondering is how you guess from the dartboard what's undefended. You seem to assume a supernatural level of knowledge of district defense patterns. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 825	Posted - 2015.02.21 19:08:00 - [422] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: what I'm wondering is how you guess from the dartboard what's undefended. You seem to assume a supernatural level of knowledge of district defense patterns. Nope. I'm assuming basic use of the starmap and reasonable interpretative ability of the data it currently provides, for the noobs. And basic use of the starmap, reasonable interpretive ability of the data it provides and insider knowledge of that data, for the vets. Nothing supernatural about it. This is a good time, imo, to point out that despite the qqing to the contrary there is not and has never been an occupant of MH who got there by magic. Some fought, some bought and some schemed. But noone had it "just happen" by magic. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
ReGnYuM State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 3481	Posted - 2015.02.25 21:24:00 - [423] - Quote Can we possibly get a separate sticky regarding raiding mechanics. More information regarding their format of 8v8 12v12 and 16v16 etc The possibility having corporations specialized in raiding intrigues me.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7367	Posted - 2015.02.26 11:08:00 - [424] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The possibility having corporations specialized in raiding intrigues me. ya think? AV
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7367	Posted - 2015.02.26 11:16:00 - [425] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: what I'm wondering is how you guess from the dartboard what's undefended. You seem to assume a supernatural level of knowledge of district defense patterns. Nope. I'm assuming basic use of the starmap and reasonable interpretative ability of the data it currently provides, for the noobs. And basic use of the starmap, reasonable interpretive ability of the data it provides and insider knowledge of that data, for the vets. Nothing supernatural about it. This is a good time, imo, to point out that despite the qqing to the contrary there is not and has never been an occupant of MH who got there by magic. Some fought, some bought and some schemed. But noone had it "just happen" by magic. I've done PC both attacking and holding. I've also AWOXED for hire. Magic was nowhere involved. PC would be awesome if it had a means for people without the resources or whatever in real life to defend a daily timer to have a method of participation. Thus far it is not, and the average PC corp has roughly 20-25 players who get to participate regularly. The fact that so few players get a crack is why I think raiding needs to be viable. Should it be as simple as an autoqueue pubmatch? No. I dunno where the hell anyone gets that from. But it should be a valid specialty for smaller berserker teams. It should also be a good test bed for PC readiness. The end result will be more access to the game mode for people who otherwise don't know how it goes. Making the odds deliberately stacked so only the best of the best can win a fraction of the time terminates any incentives to use the game mode. It also keeps the status quo where 20 people can hold upwards of 5-10 districts indefinitely without supporting crews. That in and of itself alone is an argument for total PC overhaul. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 851	Posted - 2015.02.26 20:59:00 - [426] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: PC would be awesome if it had a means for people without the resources or whatever in real life to defend a daily timer to have a method of participation. Thus far it is not, and the average PC corp has roughly 20-25 players who get to participate regularly. The means is there. It does take the player to recognize that as an Independent Mercenary they'll need to broker their own work, whats commonly known as "Ringing". They'll have to take their own initiative to " advertise" and "qualify buyers" but it's doable. Hell, there's an entire cottage industry in MH now of PC fighters who ring out. Individual Mercenaries who take their time finding PC matches that need players. It happens everyday. Breakin Stuff wrote: The fact that so few players get a crack is why I think raiding needs to be viable. Should it be as simple as an autoqueue pubmatch? No. I dunno where the hell anyone gets that from. But it should be a valid specialty for smaller berserker teams. It should also be a good test bed for PC readiness. Can't speak for anyone else but I'm getting the autopub notion from the OP. No new mode (like say, "bomb" or "VIP protection" or "Carrier Assault"), No new gameplay (like say a meta-limit or lopsided teams), "short" warning ("Searching for battle/ Waiting to Deploy, anyone?). What part of that is a PC readiness test that doesn't already exist in pubs, FW or PC now? EDIT: Should definitely be "specialty"-able Breakin Stuff wrote: The end result will be more access to the game mode for people who otherwise don't know how it goes. Making the odds deliberately stacked so only the best of the best can win a fraction of the time terminates any incentives to use the game mode. It also keeps the status quo where 20 people can hold upwards of 5-10 districts indefinitely without supporting crews. That in and of itself alone is an argument for total PC overhaul. Point me please to the corp of 20 who has "indefinitely" held 10 districts? NyainSan, iirc, is MH oldest landholder and they've historically been a large group AND have had their territory counts fluctuate relative to the workings of MH. As I said previously Fighting, Buying or Scheming is what fuels the gears of MH. Enough of that applied by anyone towards anyone will generate results. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 851	Posted - 2015.02.26 21:18:00 - [427] - Quote Passing off yet another pubqueue as "raiding" and a PC "overhaul" is a fantastic scheme, btw. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7380	Posted - 2015.02.26 21:46:00 - [428] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Passing off yet another pubqueue as "raiding" and a PC "overhaul" is a fantastic scheme, btw. If the PC overhaul is just raiding I might throw up in my mouth a little. It'd be horridly disappointing. AV
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7380	Posted - 2015.02.26 21:50:00 - [429] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Point me please to the corp of 20 who has "indefinitely" held 10 districts? NyainSan, iirc, is MH oldest landholder and they've historically been a large group AND have had their territory counts fluctuate relative to the workings of MH. As I said previously Fighting, Buying or Scheming is what fuels the gears of MH. Enough of that applied by anyone towards anyone will generate results. I do believe multiple corp PC runners have piped up stating that they only allow a set group to run PC. averaging between 18-25 bodies depending on the day over the last couple months in response to the intent to overhaul PC. Especially among the "Don't listen to anyone but us on how to fix PC idiot crowd" who wish to keep the plebes entirely out of their playpen. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 851	Posted - 2015.02.26 22:09:00 - [430] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Passing off yet another pubqueue as "raiding" and a PC "overhaul" is a fantastic scheme, btw. If the PC overhaul is just raiding I might throw up in my mouth a little. It'd be horridly disappointing. ikr? I'm already there just on the idea of it being basically a Bush, Dom or Skirm. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 851	Posted - 2015.02.26 22:16:00 - [431] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Point me please to the corp of 20 who has "indefinitely" held 10 districts? NyainSan, iirc, is MH oldest landholder and they've historically been a large group AND have had their territory counts fluctuate relative to the workings of MH. As I said previously Fighting, Buying or Scheming is what fuels the gears of MH. Enough of that applied by anyone towards anyone will generate results. I do believe multiple corp PC runners have piped up stating that they only allow a set group to run PC. averaging between 18-25 bodies depending on the day over the last couple months in response to the intent to overhaul PC. Especially among the "Don't listen to anyone but us on how to fix PC idiot crowd" who wish to keep the plebes entirely out of their playpen. Dude, if there's anything the PC crowd wants it's people to fight. The more, the merrier. What I don't see any of them clamoring for is more of the LCD playerbase often seen ragequitting or redline vacationing in pubs/FW. If you aren't fighting, fighting for your victories AND your losses in those you're not going to get very far in PC. Its kind of like homework. If your highschool homework load and the discipline needed to complete it is too much for you to handle then odds are a college workload will bury you. Quickly. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7380	Posted - 2015.02.26 22:49:00 - [432] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Point me please to the corp of 20 who has "indefinitely" held 10 districts? NyainSan, iirc, is MH oldest landholder and they've historically been a large group AND have had their territory counts fluctuate relative to the workings of MH. As I said previously Fighting, Buying or Scheming is what fuels the gears of MH. Enough of that applied by anyone towards anyone will generate results. I do believe multiple corp PC runners have piped up stating that they only allow a set group to run PC. averaging between 18-25 bodies depending on the day over the last couple months in response to the intent to overhaul PC. Especially among the "Don't listen to anyone but us on how to fix PC idiot crowd" who wish to keep the plebes entirely out of their playpen. Dude, if there's anything the PC crowd wants it's people to fight. The more, the merrier. What I don't see any of them clamoring for is more of the LCD playerbase often seen ragequitting or redline vacationing in pubs/FW. If you aren't fighting, fighting for your victories AND your losses in those you're not going to get very far in PC. Its kind of like homework. If your highschool homework load and the discipline needed to complete it is too much for you to handle then odds are a college workload will bury you. Quickly. I'm aware. Let me goad the idiots into sperging off please. I know how PC works. I just didn't find the way it's set up fun to play except as an occasional excuse to go pop some tryhard tanks for the funzies for people who need an AV ringer. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 858	Posted - 2015.02.27 18:50:00 - [433] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm aware. Let me goad the idiots into sperging off please. Keep trying then, I guess. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7395	Posted - 2015.02.27 20:11:00 - [434] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm aware. Let me goad the idiots into sperging off please. Keep trying then, I guess. It'll probably have to wait until PC is finalized, sadly. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 862	Posted - 2015.02.27 20:56:00 - [435] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm aware. Let me goad the idiots into sperging off please. Keep trying then, I guess. It'll probably have to wait until PC is finalized, sadly. If PC's finalization is like any of the other finalized elements of DUST you have a bright future ahead, imo. XD Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7398	Posted - 2015.02.27 21:39:00 - [436] - Quote Actually I do it to reaffirm why I hate humanity in general. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. Hilariously I'm not much more restrained in real life. Blunt as hell. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 862	Posted - 2015.02.27 21:57:00 - [437] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Actually I do it to reaffirm why I hate humanity in general. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. Hilariously I'm not much more restrained in real life. Blunt as hell. Nothing wrong with blunt, so long as it's honest. Otherwise it's just *******. And Amen to anonymity bringing out the worst in people. Thats a big part of my personal aversion to alts. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7398	Posted - 2015.02.27 22:03:00 - [438] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Actually I do it to reaffirm why I hate humanity in general. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. Hilariously I'm not much more restrained in real life. Blunt as hell. Nothing wrong with blunt, so long as it's honest. Otherwise it's just *******. And Amen to anonymity bringing out the worst in people. Thats a big part of my personal aversion to alts. Alts are no fun. I'd rather just tell you I'm going to do horrible things, do said horrible thing and laugh at people who inevitably go " I can't believe you did that horrible thing!" Alts make the experience feel cheap. AV
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 862	Posted - 2015.02.27 22:15:00 - [439] - Quote LOL **** yo' couch!! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7400	Posted - 2015.02.27 22:16:00 - [440] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: LOL **** yo' couch!! Exactly. AV

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 862	Posted - 2015.02.27 22:56:00 - [441] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: LOL ** yo' couch!! Exactly. Best part of that whole bit: After Rick James talks all his *, drags his muddy boots all over the furniture and laughs about it, Eddie and Charlie Murphy beat his ass down* . And then when asked about events in an interview later all James can really do affirm, yes it happened like that and that ******* is a crazy drug. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4622	Posted - 2015.03.02 08:42:00 - [442] - Quote It still makes me sad to look at the road map and realize that raids are at least 4 months away if not more. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 868	Posted - 2015.03.02 20:54:00 - [443] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: It still makes me sad to look at the road map and realize that raids are at least 4 months away if not more. Nothing wrong with taking the time to do something right provided of course that that is the reason for the timing. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4757	Posted - 2015.03.16 11:51:00 - [444] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2680855#post2680855 Something that seems to be relatively untouched by these changes is clone logistics. Currently the attrition rates are far to forgiving and the differentiation between Surface Infrastructures leaves the Cargo Hub as the best choice for both attack and defense. I've written up a proposal with some suggestion SI changes and attrition changes with the following goals in mind: 1. Make location more significant 2. Make fights occur more often 3. Make being under attack a bad thing 4. Give clear advantages and disadvantages to each SI https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n0svKNAiqWr0rhSgOEQ6JpMVjZYAi_bOuXaDF7hzhgI/edit?usp=sharing Ideally I would like to move away from clone attrition and just use an escalating command point cost for longer range attacks. If this were done the 50% mark of clone attrition would become the new maximum jump range for a surface infrastructure. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars 112	Posted - 2015.03.23 19:37:00 - [445] - Quote The core problem with districts gaining value is that people will hoard and stack them (This happened last time). It is going to happen! I was discussing with some of my fellow PC players and I would like to see the corps that cross a certain threshold of Districts to have their timers removed or significantly reduced. Also take off locking the districts. If you are at the top of the list with 50 districts, you can be attacked with a 1 hour notice (Could be a prototype to raiding). The Active player missions requirement will make a good move in this direction to stop ringer corps, but we are all aware that if value is associated to districts, some corps will hoard the districts and find a way to gather more resources than the others. This makes holding more districts dangerous and it becomes a double edged sword. Newer corps without districts could then stack timers and multi attack the monster corps who hold the most districts. Let me know your ideas. Now to start shotgunning and REing again, everyone will love this play style. Face Palm!
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1227	Posted - 2015.03.23 20:51:00 - [446] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I was discussing with some of my fellow PC players and I would like to see the corps that cross a certain threshold of Districts to have their timers removed or significantly reduced. Also take off locking the districts. If you are at the top of the list with 50 districts, you can be attacked with a 1 hour notice (Could be a prototype to raiding). No. I know you wan't it *( -í° -£-û -í°)*
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4887	Posted - 2015.03.24 23:30:00 - [447] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: The core problem with districts gaining value is that people will hoard and stack them (This happened last time). It is going to happen! I was discussing with some of my fellow PC players and I would like to see the corps that cross a certain threshold of Districts to have their timers removed or significantly reduced. Also take off locking the districts. If you are at the top of the list with 50 districts, you can be attacked with a 1 hour notice (Could be a prototype to raiding). The Active player missions requirement will make a good move in this direction to stop ringer corps, but we are all aware that if value is associated to districts, some corps will hoard the districts and find a way to gather more resources than the others. This makes holding more districts dangerous and it becomes a double edged sword. Newer corps without districts could then stack timers and multi attack the monster corps who hold the most districts. Let me know your ideas. Creating arbitrary numbers on a district limit just creates a reason for arbitrary alternate corporations. It's a balancing act. You want people to desire more land to create conflict but there needs to be a reasonable escalation in the "cost" of holding that land and/or extracting that wealth. The command point generation will be key. In order to extract that wealth from districts will require a growing number of command points per day, so, as a result, more active players. I would also have CCP consider having all PC fights happen at the top of the hour rather than randomizing them throughout the hour (an attack on a district set to 2000 will happen at 2000 rather than the random 2000 to 2050 currently in increments of 10 minutes). This would make everyone's scheduling lives easier and also make timer stacking someone who tries to overstock districts easier as well. Also, it seems that Planet Raiding has been taken off the backlog and put on 1.2 (huray! ), so that will hopefully expose corps to fights that can happen within 24 hours. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 8436	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:13:00 - [448] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Also, it seems that Planet Raiding has been taken off the backlog and put on 1.2 (huray! ), so that will hopefully expose corps to fights that can happen within 24 hours. Within 24 hours? I was hoping Raids could be carried out on-the-fly. Have 16 corpmates online? Check the starmap, find an open raid window, raid. Having to schedule Raids in advance will make them less appealing to those of us who aren't willing or able to commit to a schedule. Many of us are casuals, and giving those casuals a shot a catching the bigboy L33T corps with their pants down would be a great way to keep PC moving and interesting. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4944	Posted - 2015.04.03 12:40:00 - [449] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Also, it seems that Planet Raiding has been taken off the backlog and put on 1.2 (huray! ), so that will hopefully expose corps to fights that can happen within 24 hours. Within 24 hours? I was hoping Raids would be more like surprise attacks carried out on-the-fly. Have a bunch corpmates online? Check the starmap, find an open raid window, raid. Having to schedule Raids in advance will make them less appealing to those of us who aren't willing or able to commit to a schedule. Many Dusters are casuals, and giving those casuals a shot a catching the bigboy corps with their pants down would be a great way to keep PC lean, moving and interesting. On-the-fly Raids would also provide an outlet for competitive play. Why stomp pubs for pennies with 5 friends when I can earn real money in more competitive matches with 15? "Within" probably should read better as "under". Right now you have to wait a minimum of 24 hours to get a fight in PC for a district attack. I agree these should be very short notice fights. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 973	Posted - 2015.04.04 20:08:00 - [450] - Quote I hope they got the memo about it being a new game mode and not just an auto-pub paid from a district. Anybody try Battlefield Hardline? "Heist" is a great example of what a difference different game modes play in adding overall "fun". Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.



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