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Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 160	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:16:00 - [1] - Quote The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1086	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:19:00 - [2] - Quote Good riddance. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1207	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:23:00 - [3] - Quote are you allowed to fire your weapons immediately after decloaking in eve? seriously i dont remember. i believe theres a movement penalty and you cant fire while cloaked iirc. never used one. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Vicious Minotaur 1317	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:26:00 - [4] - Quote You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. I am a minotaur.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2585	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:29:00 - [5] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: are you allowed to fire your weapons immediately after decloaking in eve? seriously i dont remember. i believe theres a movement penalty and you cant fire while cloaked iirc. never used one. Depends on the cloak you have. Basic cloak is can't lock anyone, drastically reduced move speed, cannot warp, and there is a delay to locking after you decloak. The Covert Cloak moves you at 100% speed, no delay from decloaking to lock, and you can warp. However, the two games really need to be stopped as a comparison to each other. It is like asking Bloodlust in World of Warcraft to work exactly like Warcraft 3. Two different games, two entirely different genre. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1087	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:29:00 - [6] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. No. Only YOU can prevent forest fires. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Dengru Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 465	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:30:00 - [7] - Quote Nearly everyone that has killed me with a shotgun cloak combo is a terrible player that wasn't able to do it before those came out. Overnight all you scrubs popped up with shotguns, good riddens! (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Vicious Minotaur 1317	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:31:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. No. Only YOU can prevent forest fires. Sorry, too busy setting them to prevent them. I am a minotaur.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19128	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:32:00 - [9] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Basic cloak is can't lock anyone, drastically reduced move speed, cannot warp, and there is a delay to locking after you decloak. The Covert Cloak moves you at 100% speed, no delay from decloaking to lock, and you can warp. However, the two games really need to be stopped as a comparison to each other. This isn't quite true. Both cloaks have a delay to locking time after decloaking, even the covert variant. Stealth bombers have a bonus which removes this, though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1399	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:32:00 - [10] - Quote Scouts were wrecking people before the cloak and they'll continue to do so with a gimpy cloak.

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3522	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:33:00 - [11] - Quote Cloak nerf breaks the class? You make it sound like Scouts were "broken" before cloaks even existed, yet there are many talented individuals who performed exceptionally well with Scouts long before they had the ability to cloak. So does a cloak nerf break the class? Or just break the crutch that you've been reliant on? Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 160	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:35:00 - [12] - Quote yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 292	Posted - 2014.11.16 09:43:00 - [13] - Quote I would have rather seen sidearms only leaving all play styles open to the class between light and scout, but what ever there is currently a way to subvert the delay.. I am not positive how though. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14666	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:09:00 - [14] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart No reason if you are using the Cloak as a tactical tool and not a silent delivery system for a shotgun this should impact your gameplay all that much. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2001	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:25:00 - [15] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart I have three scout suits protoed. The only thing wrong with them is that the cloak is OP.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3795	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:43:00 - [16] - Quote Real Scouts don't need cloaks.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3117	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:45:00 - [17] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. I stopped reading here. Dont let the door hit you on the way out. Goodbye. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3117	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:46:00 - [18] - Quote Also, you will be nerfed into ground in time. QQ More. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:56:00 - [19] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Lol, scrub. It has only been a few months since the cloak was added and already we have people that don't know there was a time it didn't exist and we didn't need it? I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3176	Posted - 2014.11.16 11:01:00 - [20] - Quote From a non-scout perspective: un-cloak should not have animation, because people still see cloaked scout shooting at them. From a scout perspective: i've learned to un-cloak a little before and the timing is almost fine, but the fix have a problem, sometime it does not change to weapon and you have to press again, that's annoying, but the timing is ok. The greatest problem are for those who tank scouts, no more charging like bulls in front of the enemy, you can have a lot of HP but if the enemy see you, you are half dead, no more 99% chance of success.

137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 356	Posted - 2014.11.16 11:06:00 - [21] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Can I have your isk? Also, pics on biomassing or it didn't happen. I'll see you tomorrow on the battlefield o7 I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 356	Posted - 2014.11.16 11:08:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Basic cloak is can't lock anyone, drastically reduced move speed, cannot warp, and there is a delay to locking after you decloak. The Covert Cloak moves you at 100% speed, no delay from decloaking to lock, and you can warp. However, the two games really need to be stopped as a comparison to each other. This isn't quite true. Both cloaks have a delay to locking time after decloaking, even the covert variant. Stealth bombers have a bonus which removes this, though. You're forgetting that cloaks increase your scan resolution making lock times take longer. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Jebus McKing Tribal Ground Forces 962	Posted - 2014.11.16 11:09:00 - [23] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Wait, are you QQing that you can't decloak and immediately instakill anyone with your shotgun anymore? Or is there a new nerf incoming? Anyway, it took me a couple of matches to get used to the new 1 second decloak delay but now it doesn't bother me anymore. The problem with scouts is that they have all the tools to easily overcome all of the shortcomings of the most powerful instakill weapons. And the new cloak delay makes it harder but did not overnerf it at all. REs, knives, and shotguns are still as useful to a scout as before. Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 286	Posted - 2014.11.16 11:54:00 - [24] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart You leaving? bye man I can haz ISK right? I'm a scout too, just one with a bit more skill than others, no cloak shotty like the days of the Black Eagle... anyway, I could hold your ISK for you, should ou return just send me mail with the amount you originally sent me and I'll just send it right back. *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5050	Posted - 2014.11.16 12:05:00 - [25] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. 1/10 Try again... with FEELING. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2474	Posted - 2014.11.16 12:24:00 - [26] - Quote All that the stupid cloak and earlier scout changes did was to breed fake scouts left and right. I swear when I checked out these changes I didn't hardly notice anything...... so why all of the complaints? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 161	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:00:00 - [27] - Quote Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made.. I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late.. And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 43	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:17:00 - [28] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made.. I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late.. And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. CCP has messed up on a few things with 1.9 but if that is going to cause you to cry and run then you really are a bltch. Good riddance. I'll still be here when you come crawling back, scum. Garbage Day!
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 993	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:20:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart No reason if you are using the Cloak as a tactical tool and not a silent delivery system for a shotgun this should impact your gameplay all that much. ^ Smoky The Bear wrote: Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made.. I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late.. And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. You're the one ignoring your own point mate. Seriously, I wish there was a LOL button next to the Like button for me to use. To paraphrase you: - cloak changes broke scout role - i'm a great player without the cloak - I'm leaving coz scouts are broken without cloak and the game is generally crap TTFN You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
hello jpg Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:22:00 - [30] - Quote troll detected /-{o}-\

Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 161	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:22:00 - [31] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: True Adamance wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart No reason if you are using the Cloak as a tactical tool and not a silent delivery system for a shotgun this should impact your gameplay all that much. ^ Smoky The Bear wrote: Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made.. I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late.. And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. You're the one ignoring your own point mate. Seriously, I wish there was a LOL button next to the Like button for me to use. To paraphrase you: - cloak changes broke scout role - i'm a great player without the cloak - I'm leaving coz scouts are broken without cloak and the game is generally crap TTFN What part of that didnt you understand.? thanks for the paraphrase
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1112	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:40:00 - [32] - Quote Scouting before they were ultra-buffed and given the cloak was a lot more fun, now scouting feels dirty. Probably because I don't want to be lumped together with players like you who need/use the cloak as a crutch. Only time I can bring myself to break out my scout now is when I am chasing shield tanks with a PLC. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 118	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:43:00 - [33] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Scouting before they were ultra-buffed and given the cloak was a lot more fun, now scouting feels dirty. Probably because I don't want to be lumped together with players like you who need/use the cloak as a crutch. Only time I can bring myself to break out my scout now is when I am chasing shield tanks with a PLC. +1
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 389	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:51:00 - [34] - Quote EWAR scout: vs EWAR Assault: I can see more See farther Remain invisible Faster Smaller hit box Same DPS More equipment Bricktanked scout vs bricktanked Assault The scout still: Sees more Sees farther Remains invisible Faster Smaller hitbox Equivalent DPS Same eHP More equipment All skill of course. But as everyone knows the biggest problem with the game is assault dropships of course. Now they're OP. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Sev Alcatraz 687	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:51:00 - [35] - Quote Cya later **** lords! Disgruntled vet
dzizur 6 dayz 111	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:53:00 - [36] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I have three scout suits protoed. The only thing wrong with them is that the cloak is OP. that's odd, whenever I fit a cloak to my scout suit I feel like i'm gimping it..
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3798	Posted - 2014.11.16 14:09:00 - [37] - Quote I wish I had OP's face... just so I could smash my head into the corner of a table.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 270	Posted - 2014.11.16 14:19:00 - [38] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. 1. Scouts were OP after 1.8, but they weren't "managing just fine" pre-1.8. 2. If Newbros can't fit cloak and Vets don't want cloak, then new class bonus?
Duke Noobiam The Dukes Of Death 261	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:03:00 - [39] - Quote No tears for you. BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:39:00 - [40] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: are you allowed to fire your weapons immediately after decloaking in eve? seriously i dont remember. i believe theres a movement penalty and you cant fire while cloaked iirc. never used one. Depends on the cloak you have. Basic cloak is can't lock anyone, drastically reduced move speed, cannot warp, and there is a delay to locking after you decloak. The Covert Cloak moves you at 100% speed, no delay from decloaking to lock, and you can warp. However, the two games really need to be stopped as a comparison to each other. It is like asking Bloodlust in World of Warcraft to work exactly like Warcraft 3. Two different games, two entirely different genre. Wow that just blew my mind you are so right about dust eve comparison being like war craft 3 vs blood lust wow Yet another slave of Mortedeamor

Kain Spero Goonfeet 3831	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:48:00 - [41] - Quote Seriously, if you think you aren't shooting while invisible or that it's just some sort of "lag" I have something to show you: 3rd Person Cloak - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-jnU96Tif4 1st Person Cloak - http://youtu.be/khwz82yRZH0 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15078	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:55:00 - [42] - Quote Skilled scouts never needed cloaks before. Give your leg some time to heal Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 408	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:55:00 - [43] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Current scouts and previous broken mechanics made a lot of people leave. I wonder how many noobs you invisibly shot in the back stuck around and continued playing...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1901	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:02:00 - [44] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart use cloaks for hideing and running away... use speed and ewar for getting close... adapt or die [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:24:00 - [45] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: EWAR scout: vs EWAR Assault: I can see more See farther Remain invisible Faster Smaller hit box Same DPS More equipment Bricktanked scout vs bricktanked Assault The scout still: Sees more Sees farther Remains invisible Faster Smaller hitbox Equivalent DPS Same eHP More equipment All skill of course. But as everyone knows the biggest problem with the game is assault dropships of course. Now they're OP. Well, the brick tanked scout does not have the same eHP, just similar, but your point still stands: scouts are still vastly superior to assaults. To be honest, I don't get all the cry about the cloak. The cloak doesn't make the scout class OP IMO. Its the complete lack of effective counters to a scout's ewar capabilities that make it crazy OP. The only way to see anything more than a mildly dampened scout is to run a scout suit. A logi with 4 complex precisions mods can't see a mildly dampened scout on their passive scans and logis have the best scan precision of the medium and heavy suits. Considering logis have base HP closer to scouts than assaults, the logi would likely have less HP than the scout. Sneaking up on units that are engaged in a fire fight is easy to do if you do not show up on their passive scans. I've done it in an assault suit with no dampening modules, my dampening skill only at 4, and no cloak. Even though I was using non-OHK weapons like the flaylock/smg and my gun game is meh at best, I still could fairly consistently come out of matches with positive kdr. Running a gal logi with active scans is not actually an effective counter because the cool down, and limited range leaves massive spatial and temporal holes and scouts get warnings when they are actually scanned. Active scans in non-gal logis are useless (I prevent scans in my logi suit with no dampening modules equipped; I evade simply because I have dampening to lvl 5). So, all of this means that a gal or cal scout can run one dampening module and brick tank their HP to the lower HP range of an assault, and still not be seen. Amar/min scouts would need to run two complex dampening modules to be invisible, but if the logi ran only 2 complex dampening modules, one dampening module is enough. You'd be a fool to use your cloak when you are close to them because that is the only thing other than the kill screen that would alert a solitary player of your presence. Two players? EITHER: OHK the first -> second player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second, OR: drop 1-2 RE and OHK them both. Three players? EITHER: Drop 1-2 REs and OHK them all, OR: OHK the first -> second and third player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second -> use superior speed and small hit box to engage in a fire fight with the third or run away, OR: pull back -> wait for one of them to split from the group -> see steps for single player engagement. Don't get me wrong here: there is still skill in delivering the OHK. However, the completely unbalanced ewar tips engagements massively in the scout's favour.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3530	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:32:00 - [46] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Here you go. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90055 Go tell them how they're all useless without the cloak, let us know what they think. And no, my answer is "Stop trying to use the cloak as a means for direct combat." Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1387	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:43:00 - [47] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Killed the class... HAH! Glad to see this 1 (Count em, ONE, not FIVE) second delay in firing is getting rid of a few of these cloaked shotty "scouts". Perhaps it will continue to show who's actually good with the class and dedicated to scouting, rather than just being a FoTM chaser. Bravo, CCP. Bravo. I want to punch.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 213	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:50:00 - [48] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Begin post summary logs. Boohoo I'm a selfish player that wants to lazily kill everyone with no effort boohoo my best means of doing this is getting thrown down the drain waaahhhh waaahhhh waaahhh my antisociality is being nerfed waaahhhh. End post summary logs. There is literally no sense for team killing to be possible in any gamemode.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5898	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:54:00 - [49] - Quote Three things I don't like. 1) That the proto cloak is necessary to max dampen. 2) The range nerf to cloak makes it more of a liability than a useful tool. 3) The "cloak delay" applies to any switch from cloak, EVEN IF THE CLOAK WAS NOT ACTIVE. When you combine the first two, and you main a Minja, it is really a kick in the rusty nuts. If I could dampen enough without a cloak, I would drop it in a heartbeat. The fact that ONLY the pro cloak can help you avoid scans means I HAVE to sacrifice a lot on all my fittings because of the fitting cost of that thing. I HAVE to deal with the cloak delay, because though I would like to sneak up on people, I can't do it WITHOUT the cloak. More and more I feel forced to skill into the Gal scout. It is the only suit that would allow me to continue the play style I had honed over year and a half I have been a Min scout. Cloak nerfs have made the Gal scout a better Minja than Minmatar... Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1291	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:18:00 - [50] - Quote People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)

Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 970	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:24:00 - [51] - Quote As a scout. Awwww, I thought it was really being bumped up to a five second delay. For a second there I was happy that even more of those EZ-moding invisi-gankers were going to leave the class. Scouts didn't -require- cloaks before, and they don't -require- them now, especially since they've been buffed by having more cpu/pg, better ewar, a second equipment, and an extra fitting slot. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2186	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:24:00 - [52] - Quote The 1 second delay is lol. I suspect the scout nerfs aren't done yet.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 274	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:31:00 - [53] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Boohoo I'm a selfish player that wants to lazily kill everyone with no effort boohoo my best means of doing this is getting thrown down the drain waaahhhh waaahhhh waaahhh my antisociality is being nerfed waaahhhh. "Lazily killing with no effort" is an apt description of HMG Heavies. Let's not pretend that this isn't a fact. Perhaps high-HP Scouts have room for laziness and error, but low-HP Scouts get smashed if they make a mistake. We don't know what Smoky runs, but we do know that he mained Scout well before cloak, back when the suit was so underpowered that only a tiny percentage of players would touch it. Smoky isn't among the scrubbery who migrated to Scout post 1.8; he ran Scout when running Scout was the hardest role one could run. I think it reasonable and appropriate that we hear what he has to say without jumping to conclusions or calling him lazy.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4600	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:33:00 - [54] - Quote Except you can get two shots off from the shotgun while cloaked now AND increase the decloak animation , further increase the cloak up time. There are so many things gone wrong with this "fix" it's ridiculous. Should've just put a fixed number for a delay instead of an increase on the animation. Not sure if it would require a patch or not, though, since you would be adding new mechanics to Dust. Actually, wait! Now that that I think about it, didn't the Plasma Cannon have a2 seconds fire delay right after firing by switching to sidearm? Remember that? That's what we wanted for the cloak.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:38:00 - [55] - Quote Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 277	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:40:00 - [56] - Quote I agree that the fix could've been implemented differently. 0.00 sec - Decloak 0.01 sec - Decloak animation begins 0.50 sec - Decloak animation ends (fully visible) 1.00 sec - Weapon ready (or) 0.00 sec - Decloak 0.01 sec - Decloak animation begins 0.75 sec - Decloak animation ends (fully visible) 1.50 sec - Weapon ready * Or some such progression. Guaranteeing that shooter is visible before shooting should put end to cloak QQ. I'd also like to see the weapon ready delay activate if and only if cloak is activated.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:43:00 - [57] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Well, the brick tanked scout does not have the same eHP, just similar, but your point still stands: scouts are still vastly superior to assaults. To be honest, I don't get all the cry about the cloak. The cloak doesn't make the scout class OP IMO. Its the complete lack of effective counters to a scout's ewar capabilities that make it crazy OP. The only way to see anything more than a mildly dampened scout is to run a scout suit. A logi with 4 complex precisions mods can't see a mildly dampened scout on their passive scans and logis have the best scan precision of the medium and heavy suits. Considering logis have base HP closer to scouts than assaults, the logi would likely have less HP than the scout. Sneaking up on units that are engaged in a fire fight is easy to do if you do not show up on their passive scans. I've done it in an assault suit with no dampening modules, my dampening skill only at 4, and no cloak. Even though I was using non-OHK weapons like the flaylock/smg and my gun game is meh at best, I still could fairly consistently come out of matches with positive kdr. Running a gal logi with active scans is not actually an effective counter because the cool down, and limited range leaves massive spatial and temporal holes and scouts get warnings when they are actually scanned. Active scans in non-gal logis are useless (I prevent scans in my logi suit with no dampening modules equipped; I evade simply because I have dampening to lvl 5). So, all of this means that a gal or cal scout can run one dampening module and brick tank their HP to the lower HP range of an assault, and still not be seen. Amar/min scouts would need to run two complex dampening modules to be invisible, but if the logi ran only 2 complex dampening modules, one dampening module is enough. You'd be a fool to use your cloak when you are close to them because that is the only thing other than the kill screen that would alert a solitary player of your presence. Two players? EITHER: OHK the first -> second player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second, OR: drop 1-2 RE and OHK them both. Three players? EITHER: Drop 1-2 REs and OHK them all, OR: OHK the first -> second and third player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second -> use superior speed and small hit box to engage in a fire fight with the third or run away, OR: pull back -> wait for one of them to split from the group -> see steps for single player engagement. Don't get me wrong here: there is still skill in delivering the OHK. However, the completely unbalanced ewar tips engagements massively in the scout's favour. Just looked at the ewar numbers of scout suits and realized that a proto amarr scout running two complex precision modes cannot see a gal scout running two complex dampeners, so running scout suit isn't even an effective counter to scout ewar.
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1292	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:46:00 - [58] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9219	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:06:00 - [59] - Quote For a little perspective, I'm someone who had played with scouts during precloak, when cloaks were first released, and currently an someone who respec'd into just Amarr scouts with 43M SP. Honestly scout gameplay is the most fun it had ever been for me. The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. There's more risk reward choices with whether I want to patrol my own base cloaked or not because of scan range. Same with when I'm hacking. Also risk reward deciding how early I want to decloak because it does take time. Makes scout play a lit mute fun and rewarding in my opinion. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 279	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:17:00 - [60] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. Agreed. Cloak should aid in escape and evade and provide a means by which to move from cover to cover or cross open terrain. I can't imagine that Cloak was ever intended to be a platform from which to launch a frontal assault.

Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:27:00 - [61] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game This is the ONLY effective counter to a scout suit's ewar. The heavy suit's high HP and damage resistance has huge number of counters to it when running a HMG: - plasma cannon on any suit except a logi suit (on a commando this is an amazing counter) - any heavy suit with a HMG - any non-heavy suit with a range weapon out of a HMG's range (assuming - shotgun/knives on a scout suit - shotgun on any assault or commando suit - REs on any suit And a scout's ewar has only one effective counter: - a squad member on each squad doing nothing but visually looking for a scout, which given the high HP of a tanked scout in many circumstances means them dying before they take out the scout and warning the squad members so they hopefully finish him off before he kills another squad member. No tactic should have such limited counters. Ewar imbalance is more unbalanced than redline sniping. At least when someone redline snipes, I can counter snipe, or forge snipe. That is too few counters but it is still better than scout ewar. Scouts should have to choose between having HP or being invisible. Currently they can have the best of both worlds. There are different ways of balancing this, but nerfing the cloak is not one of them.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5905	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:31:00 - [62] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: For a little perspective, I'm someone who had played with scouts during precloak, when cloaks were first released, and currently an someone who respec'd into just Amarr scouts with 43M SP. Honestly scout gameplay is the most fun it had ever been for me. The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. There's more risk reward choices with whether I want to patrol my own base cloaked or not because of scan range. Same with when I'm hacking. Also risk reward deciding how early I want to decloak because it does take time. Makes scout play a lit mute fun and rewarding in my opinion. Not long ago, Ghost ran a heavy with an Amarr scout decked with precision mods in tow. If I given the current situation, if I were to even attempt to approach that situation, I would need to decloak, and be inactive long enough for Ghost to have turned around and gunned me down. With EWAR so significantly tied to cloaks, it is much more than a risk/reward situation. I don't know who has what when entering an area. If I am lazy and assume that its all heavies and scouts with no precision, then I end up in a situation where everyone knows where my squishy suit is. Not to mention the Min Assault that was able to take me out from 9 m away because I happened to run in front of him coming out of cover outside of any building or built up area. I am damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I use cover because of how easily it is to spot "invisible" cloaked scouts, I limit my own field of view. If I use cover like I should, I have zero ability to avoid heavy/medium suits out and about. In fact, last time I was out transporting, I did it old school and did not activate my cloak, and took the very long route. The ONLY thing it is good for is avoiding being lit up on someone's tacnet. For everything else I find it useless. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:37:00 - [63] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: For a little perspective, I'm someone who had played with scouts during precloak, when cloaks were first released, and currently an someone who respec'd into just Amarr scouts with 43M SP. Honestly scout gameplay is the most fun it had ever been for me. The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. There's more risk reward choices with whether I want to patrol my own base cloaked or not because of scan range. Same with when I'm hacking. Also risk reward deciding how early I want to decloak because it does take time. Makes scout play a lit mute fun and rewarding in my opinion. Not long ago, Ghost ran a heavy with an Amarr scout decked with precision mods in tow. If I given the current situation, if I were to even attempt to approach that situation, I would need to decloak, and be inactive long enough for Ghost to have turned around and gunned me down. With EWAR so significantly tied to cloaks, it is much more than a risk/reward situation. I don't know who has what when entering an area. If I am lazy and assume that its all heavies and scouts with no precision, then I end up in a situation where everyone knows where my squishy suit is. Not to mention the Min Assault that was able to take me out from 9 m away because I happened to run in front of him coming out of cover outside of any building or built up area. I am damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I use cover because of how easily it is to spot "invisible" cloaked scouts, I limit my own field of view. If I use cover like I should, I have zero ability to avoid heavy/medium suits out and about. In fact, last time I was out transporting, I did it old school and did not activate my cloak, and took the very long route. The ONLY thing it is good for is avoiding being lit up on someone's tacnet. For everything else I find it useless. but it only dampens by 10% at proto. Why would you need this dampening when you can run 1-2 complex dampener and not be seen on just about everyone's passive scans?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5905	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:47:00 - [64] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: but it only dampens by 10% at proto. Why would you need this dampening when you can run 1-2 complex dampener and not be seen on just about everyone's passive scans? That 10% is what keeps me off of Amarr Scout scans and Gal Logi scans (I have yet to show "You have been scanned" so I am almost solely concerned with the Amarr scout at this point.) The problem is, if there is a full squad, and one of those is the Amarr, all 6 know my position. If I don't dampen enough, and people use active scanners to light me up, that does no good. I run 200 to 300 HP tops. I can be killed well outside the effective range of most weapons (particularly shotguns), and with a significant majority of fired shots my way missing. I HAVE to be off tacnet, or I can do next to nothing (see Minja activity from Alpha to Charlie for reference). Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 281	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:49:00 - [65] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: but it only dampens by 10% at proto. Why would you need this dampening when you can run 1-2 complex dampener and not be seen on just about everyone's passive scans? One complex damp doesn't get MN or AM Scouts very far ... 24dB (or 22dB proto cloaked). As a point of reference, GA Logi w/proto scanner pings at 21 dB. MN Scout needs 3 complex damps + proto cloak to beat GA Logi w/Focused Scanner. MN Scout needs 2 complex damps + proto cloak to beat AM Scout passives.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 808	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:52:00 - [66] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. Agreed. Cloak should aid in escape and evade and provide a means by which to move from cover to cover or cross open terrain. I can't imagine that Cloak was ever intended to be a platform from which to launch a frontal assault. Not true. CCP acknowledged in this Dev Blog that they knew the cloak would and should be used offensively. Read it for yourself: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/ Scroll to the bottom. The very last sentence states: "Regardless of the original intent, everything in war ultimately ends up being used to kill, so weGÇÖre nervous and excited about cloaking and look forward to seeing how itGÇÖll be used to shape the battlefields of New Eden." "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Dergle Vengeance Unbound 48	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:54:00 - [67] - Quote Oh the QQ ! Clearly the OP hadn't heard of the term " adapt and overcome." If you're giving up dust please spare us on the "they nerfed my class now it's unplayable" thread and just delete your game. Besides all that, cloaks are the newest piece of equipment, a true beta scout couldn't care less about the nerf, hell a real gamer couldn't care less because people that are truly good will always find a way to make any nerf or buff work for him/her. Caldari Jingoist
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 281	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:56:00 - [68] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. Agreed. Cloak should aid in escape and evade and provide a means by which to move from cover to cover or cross open terrain. I can't imagine that Cloak was ever intended to be a platform from which to launch a frontal assault. Not true. CCP acknowledged in this Dev Blog that they knew the cloak would and should be used offensively. Read it for yourself: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/ Scroll to the bottom. The very last sentence states: "Regardless of the original intent, everything in war ultimately ends up being used to kill, so weGÇÖre nervous and excited about cloaking and look forward to seeing how itGÇÖll be used to shape the battlefields of New Eden." An excellent point, though I don't believe that "used to kill" and "used for frontal assault" are equivalent.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9219	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:58:00 - [69] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: For a little perspective, I'm someone who had played with scouts during precloak, when cloaks were first released, and currently an someone who respec'd into just Amarr scouts with 43M SP. Honestly scout gameplay is the most fun it had ever been for me. The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. There's more risk reward choices with whether I want to patrol my own base cloaked or not because of scan range. Same with when I'm hacking. Also risk reward deciding how early I want to decloak because it does take time. Makes scout play a lit mute fun and rewarding in my opinion. Not long ago, Ghost ran a heavy with an Amarr scout decked with precision mods in tow. If I given the current situation, if I were to even attempt to approach that situation, I would need to decloak, and be inactive long enough for Ghost to have turned around and gunned me down. With EWAR so significantly tied to cloaks, it is much more than a risk/reward situation. I don't know who has what when entering an area. If I am lazy and assume that its all heavies and scouts with no precision, then I end up in a situation where everyone knows where my squishy suit is. Not to mention the Min Assault that was able to take me out from 9 m away because I happened to run in front of him coming out of cover outside of any building or built up area. I am damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I use cover because of how easily it is to spot "invisible" cloaked scouts, I limit my own field of view. If I use cover like I should, I have zero ability to avoid heavy/medium suits out and about. In fact, last time I was out transporting, I did it old school and did not activate my cloak, and took the very long route. The ONLY thing it is good for is avoiding being lit up on someone's tacnet. For everything else I find it useless. Because but it only dampens by 10% at proto. Why would you need this dampening when you can run 1-2 complex dampener and not be seen on just about everyone's passive scans? Then you don't have your brick scout crutch. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 809	Posted - 2014.11.16 19:00:00 - [70] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. Agreed. Cloak should aid in escape and evade and provide a means by which to move from cover to cover or cross open terrain. I can't imagine that Cloak was ever intended to be a platform from which to launch a frontal assault. Not true. CCP acknowledged in this Dev Blog that they knew the cloak would and should be used offensively. Read it for yourself: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/ Scroll to the bottom. The very last sentence states: "Regardless of the original intent, everything in war ultimately ends up being used to kill, so weGÇÖre nervous and excited about cloaking and look forward to seeing how itGÇÖll be used to shape the battlefields of New Eden." An excellent point, though I don't believe that "used to kill" and "used for frontal assault" are equivalent. Fair enough, but once a tool is implemented for killing isn't it up to the user to choose how they want to apply it? "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 212	Posted - 2014.11.16 19:06:00 - [71] - Quote Troll post...... smh Legion Coming Soon(TM)
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 534	Posted - 2014.11.16 19:17:00 - [72] - Quote "Pissing on my overheated HMG" What?
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 99	Posted - 2014.11.16 19:20:00 - [73] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made.. I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late.. And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. the delay your talking about has nothing to so with cloaks but with the shotgun it self so a scout nerf no a sg nerf yes stop blaming nerfs for your own short comings if you were a good player you would learn to adapt not come on here and complain that something that has nothing to do with the cloak break the entire class The Little Girl with the HMG
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1969	Posted - 2014.11.16 19:28:00 - [74] - Quote God forbid a scout becomes less of a slayer and more of a scout.... Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 282	Posted - 2014.11.16 19:28:00 - [75] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Fair enough, but once a tool is implemented for killing isn't it up to the user to choose how they want to apply it? Absolutely, so long as said implementation and application do not create unintended problems. Consider how broken the "support role" was following Uprising 1.0. Consider how HAVs ruined every match on every server following 1.7. Consider how hard we spammed TacNet invisible, 800HP GalScouts after 1.8. Sometimes the Devs make mistakes. Users always find and capitalize upon those mistakes. Thankfully, CCP doesn't listen to us when we point to a Dev Blog and say "imbalance has to be perpetuated because you said ...". If they did, we'd all still be stuck playing World of Tanks.
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10286	Posted - 2014.11.16 21:36:00 - [76] - Quote I don't care for the cloak anymore and I have been a hard mode scout since closed beta. I survived just fine without the cloak and I won't suck as a scout if it gets nerfed. The scouts have received nothing but buffs during the past year and the only nerf so far is to a cloak, not the scout. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2849	Posted - 2014.11.16 21:45:00 - [77] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. That is simply false. The only things that were "Just fine" before the scout buffs were Slayer logis and scrubby LW heavies. Assaults were meh, Commandos sucked, and scouts were worse. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2849	Posted - 2014.11.16 21:54:00 - [78] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. If you actually do this, I LOL in your general direction. Its called eyes bro. Use them. Turn on auto aim. It pulls your crosshair onto any scout in the game, cloaked or not, and lets you puns shots into them, whether your aim is good or not. Ears too. The cloak makes a sound that is audible from up to 15m away. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4537	Posted - 2014.11.16 22:01:00 - [79] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. That is simply false. The only things that were "Just fine" before the scout buffs were Slayer logis and scrubby LW heavies. Assaults were meh, Commandos sucked, and scouts were worse. LMAO! And catdog, frost kitty, fusion commander, marauder, roner were all just aberrations. Scout pre 1.8 needed only a buff to their dampening skills and the 2nd equip slot and they'd have been fine. The good scouts were beasts...and the bad scouts were bad. It wasn't easy mode slayer logi's...but they performed soundly and they had a much better time in PC than commando's. In PC (litmus test for what was OP pre 1.8 it was: Slayer logi's Heavies Scouts Assaults Lolmando's As for the OP. LMAO Cry Moar. I can't even imagine the tears and exaggeration if the delay WAS 5 seconds. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Her Chosen Grade No.2 48	Posted - 2014.11.17 07:55:00 - [80] - Quote So, the Scout Class bonus is a Fitting Reduction on the Cloak... Don't use the one thing your SP skills you for?? Cloaks are still amazing tools to conceal hacks and transports. The cloak SG scrubs have forever changed DUST514's landscape. Cloak aside. Undetectable, unbalanced, trash scouts will be the norm. DUST only rewards scum playstyle and gives high reward to lowest risk players.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3550	Posted - 2014.11.17 08:19:00 - [81] - Quote This guy still going? Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but as so many people have told you, a cloak is not an offensive tool. And you certainly shouldn't be using it so you can one shot people with a shotty from 700 eHP PRO Scout (which is more eHP than my Min Assault) Trying using it for tactical manoeuvring. When ever you get made holding a Sniper Rifle For repositioning on a vehicle when holding a Swarm Launcher For covertly dropping uplinks to set up flanks for your team For using scanners to watch the enemy team without being seen. Scouts aren't designed for the front line, the big fight going on over the middle point. Scouts are designed to be manipulating there team's strategy, turning the blueberry horde into elite squad. At most a Scout might forgo a cloak in order to work closer to the battle for taking out high value targets, but you should not be doing the assaults job. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Vicious Minotaur 1343	Posted - 2014.11.17 08:46:00 - [82] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. That is simply false. The only things that were "Just fine" before the scout buffs were Slayer logis and scrubby LW heavies. Assaults were meh, Commandos sucked, and scouts were worse. False? Please. Note the language I used: "managed," a word that carries with it certain connotations that I don't feel like explaining. "Managing just fine" is not high praise. Anyway, myself and many others managed "just fine" when the cloak did not exist. It seems that YOU were one of those that didn't. A pity, to be sure. I am a minotaur.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1124	Posted - 2014.11.17 08:57:00 - [83] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Well scouts certainly ARE op, but I agree the cloak nerf was pretty dumb. The only people whining about getting killed by cloaked scouts were either using black and white era TVs or playing with very dark sunglasses on.
Michael Arck 6045	Posted - 2014.11.17 09:05:00 - [84] - Quote Everything is okay until that.nerf hammer hits what you use, huh? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Black Squggulle Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 24	Posted - 2014.11.17 09:25:00 - [85] - Quote Same here i noticed the same thing thats why i just wasted my sp on scouts please CCP fix this As a man sow, shall he reap. and I know that talk is cheap. But the heat of the battle is as sweet as the victory.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1353	Posted - 2014.11.17 09:33:00 - [86] - Quote I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1766	Posted - 2014.11.17 09:34:00 - [87] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1353	Posted - 2014.11.17 10:19:00 - [88] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. If CCP would consolidate these damned updates instead of referring to outdated posts then I could give a more concise answer. I have too much of a life outside the game to go sifting trough dozens of posts. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6295	Posted - 2014.11.17 10:22:00 - [89] - Quote Calls the community cod kids. Wants to run around with the best ewar, invisible and ohk/2hk with the shotgun. 1/10. I am GJRs Renfield.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1766	Posted - 2014.11.17 10:30:00 - [90] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. If CCP would consolidate these damned updates instead of referring to outdated posts then I could give a more concise answer. I have too much of a life outside the game to go sifting trough dozens of posts. Was making a statement, not asking a question. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1353	Posted - 2014.11.17 10:52:00 - [91] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. If CCP would consolidate these damned updates instead of referring to outdated posts then I could give a more concise answer. I have too much of a life outside the game to go sifting trough dozens of posts. Was making a statement, not asking a question. Are we going to really split hairs about answering a post and replying to it? does anybody really care? Either way its irrelevant. All I meant is I can't confirm or deny what you stated because I don't have the tools or resources to hand. Frankly I don't give a damn. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1290	Posted - 2014.11.17 11:02:00 - [92] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you So you are still good enough to kill these other guys but your suit is unplayable? I think there may be a contradiction in there, not sure, but I am suspicious. Because, that's why.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1767	Posted - 2014.11.17 11:09:00 - [93] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. If CCP would consolidate these damned updates instead of referring to outdated posts then I could give a more concise answer. I have too much of a life outside the game to go sifting trough dozens of posts. Was making a statement, not asking a question. Are we going to really split hairs about answering a post and replying to it? does anybody really care? Either way its irrelevant. All I meant is I can't confirm or deny what you stated because I don't have the tools or resources to hand. Frankly I don't give a damn. Wasn't splitting hairs, was just letting you know I didn't expect you to say anything in response because I was making a statement and I don't need you to confirm anything because I've tested myself already. All you got to do is tap the trigger after switching to your weapon and it'll fire; I didn't test Caldari weapons because charge-up and lock-on require the trigger to be held. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1298	Posted - 2014.11.17 12:20:00 - [94] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game This is the ONLY effective counter to a scout suit's ewar. The heavy suit's high HP and damage resistance has huge number of counters to it when running a HMG: - plasma cannon on any suit except a logi suit (on a commando this is an amazing counter) - any heavy suit with a HMG - any non-heavy suit with a range weapon out of a HMG's range (assuming - shotgun/knives on a scout suit - shotgun on any assault or commando suit - REs on any suit And a scout's ewar has only one effective counter: - a squad member on each squad doing nothing but visually looking for a scout, which given the high HP of a tanked scout in many circumstances means them dying before they take out the scout and warning the squad members so they hopefully finish him off before he kills another squad member. No tactic should have such limited counters. Ewar imbalance is more unbalanced than redline sniping. At least when someone redline snipes, I can counter snipe, or forge snipe. That is too few counters but it is still better than scout ewar. Scouts should have to choose between having HP or being invisible. Currently they can have the best of both worlds. There are different ways of balancing this, but nerfing the cloak is not one of them. How? I can only get 390ehp with 2 damps on my gal scout. But i see 600ehp cal and gal scout everywhere Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Morathi III New Eden Musketeers 243	Posted - 2014.11.17 16:04:00 - [95] - Quote Dengru wrote: Nearly everyone that has killed me with a shotgun cloak combo is a terrible player that wasn't able to do it before those came out. Overnight all you scrubs popped up with shotguns, good riddens! Yup, still playing sometimes? need to squad up On topic, the nerf both on Ewar & cloak was needed French Canadian Scrubs scout
Aramis Madrigal Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 320	Posted - 2014.11.17 16:12:00 - [96] - Quote I don't really mind the change. It forces an interesting choice on players. You can drop cloak in anticipation of firing or you can stay invisible, but might not be ready to engage. The delay is small enough that it easy to compensate for, but you actually have to think about it a little bit. -Aramis
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 920	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:30:00 - [97] - Quote Well, since 1.9 deployed I have regularly been shotgunned by scouts whilst they are still cloaked so I say it's not enough (lol), but it's probably just bad lag yet again. Yep
FIRSTNAME- lastname Direct Action Resources 11	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:32:00 - [98] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart i dont know what you mean by waiting 5 seconds.... (i can shoot at about .5 sec after uncloaking. but lets keep this on the down low.) C15-A Sniper Rifle... I'm Coming for you! To Join Direct Action Resources go to:http://www.directactionresources.com/
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 680	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:33:00 - [99] - Quote The clack is wack anyways. Tumblr
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5888	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:49:00 - [100] - Quote The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2092	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:52:00 - [101] - Quote Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness of invisible people /roll eyes Invisible people who can 1-2HK you almost while still invisible is not balanced. Maybe lrn2plan. Then you can kill the straggler who doesn't see you, or flank a squad of engaged guys. Decloaking in front of people and trying to blap them w/ you shotty doesn't work no more. Sorry. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 294	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:53:00 - [102] - Quote Good players overcome obstacles. Boo-*******-hoo. Got Gud. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God AQUPI
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5888	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:59:00 - [103] - Quote Im a SCOUT too. You people can do what i do! thats it. I almost never use the cloak anymore as i used to but its STILL a useful tool to have there equipped. For example an incoming squad of people you cant defeat (like 3 sentinels and 3 logis, you should know better) or while running out in the open... OR just not equippit at all, E-war is more than enough to b a good scout. Still, i AGREE the cloak nerf is a over nerf The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Ku Shala The Generals 1016	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:02:00 - [104] - Quote scouts are nowhere near the most nerfed remember cal logi laser assaults :D *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Feldt-Grace Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company 28	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:53:00 - [105] - Quote Who is that Problem? I play my Winmatar Scout without Cloak~ Splinter Cell Chaos Theory x Thief <3 TRANS-AM! Gundam, DUST and more Gameplays
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 995	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:16:00 - [106] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Current scouts and previous broken mechanics made a lot of people leave. I wonder how many noobs you invisibly shot in the back stuck around and continued playing... Lol I've seen your name around and only just realised what it means. Or more to the point....how it reads. LMAO nice one. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 995	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:25:00 - [107] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: The clack is wack anyways. Wack-a-clacker Maybe CCP should just be done with it and remove clacks from the game - gotta be easier, then again I'm biased coz I used the stupid thing about ten times after it came out and said "nah". You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3142	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:27:00 - [108] - Quote How dare there be a downside to being invisible! rabble rabble rabble
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1805	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:31:00 - [109] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. One of them needs to work first. The only weapons affected by it are the Caldari weapons because they require charge/lock-on and all the extended decloaking time does is give someone with the other weapons that's smart enough to tap R1 more time to shoot while cloaked. Kills:21, Deaths:5, KDR: time for a smoke. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 347	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:33:00 - [110] - Quote How has this thread not just died off? I just have to wait... 99% of the intelligence is now gone... just wait till they forget how to breathe... *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 995	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:35:00 - [111] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: How has this thread not just died off? I just have to wait... 99% of the intelligence is now gone... just wait till they forget how to breathe... sorry my fault - been away for a few days You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 347	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:35:00 - [112] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. One of them needs to work first. The only weapons affected by it are the Caldari weapons because they require charge/lock-on and all the extended decloaking time does is give someone with the other weapons that's smart enough to tap R1 more time to shoot while cloaked. WHy are we still arguing this? I use Caldari weapons so yeah.... I think it may need a nerf, but the fire from cloak thing... *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:57:00 - [113] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. I agree scouts never needed cloaking to begin with. I cant see them anyway when they are cloaked and running. I tried all sorts of setting on my tv just to try and be able to see the shimmer but nothing works. So either make a cloaked scout having a outline thats running or just get rid of it entirly.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1805	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:10:00 - [114] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Thumb Green wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. One of them needs to work first. The only weapons affected by it are the Caldari weapons because they require charge/lock-on and all the extended decloaking time does is give someone with the other weapons that's smart enough to tap R1 more time to shoot while cloaked. WHy are we still arguing this? I use Caldari weapons so yeah.... I think it may need a nerf, but the fire from cloak thing... I'm not arguing anything here, I'm stating a fact. Caldari weapons are the only ones that can't fire while cloaked (unless they fixed it so the other ones can't either, in the past few of days?). It's a huge issue because that's why the cloak was "nerfed" in the first place (scan reduction does work as far as I know, so there's one thing that worked but that was never really an issue). Kills:21, Deaths:5, KDR: time for a smoke. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 170	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:16:00 - [115] - Quote Im the BEST scout in DUST bishes.. Before the cloak came out.. and AFTER .. now eat a phatty forum warriors.. never heard of ANY of you.. lol
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2393	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:32:00 - [116] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart If the class was doing fine before the cloak even existed, I'm sure it will survive with a needed cloak now. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 115	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:32:00 - [117] - Quote People on this thread talking about scouts when you see them on the battlefield rocking 900+ HP suits, smh.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.- Retired for Love of the Game
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 35	Posted - 2015.01.01 10:13:00 - [118] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart They should never pick up any ideas from forum kids, 90% of them even don't able to think logically... o7 mate. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Nestil SWARMYARD 189	Posted - 2015.01.01 10:37:00 - [119] - Quote I'm not using the cloak often, mostly only when I have to face pubstompers and the map don't let me sneak upon them without the cloak. but I think it would be nice if it had a function (maybe a button to press) were it would give you your scanrange back for a few seconds (maybe for the cost of a big chunk of the cloak-meter...or that you can't decloak for 5 seconds after you pressed that button) so I can flee or evade the attackers behind me better after I killed one of their squadmates in their 6 man gang r8pe squad. atm I have to run blindly away from them without knowing if they know which route I took or if they know my current direction...turning simply around could be an option but results most times in a storm of RR/ACR/BrAR bullets...
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:10:00 - [120] - Quote dzizur wrote: that's odd, whenever I fit a cloak to my scout suit I feel like i'm gimping it.. Me too. That's why i quit using it. The cloak was a gimick anyway. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?

PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2354	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:20:00 - [121] - Quote Why is this thread still here? So stupid in some ways i guess it will never die.... PSN Sil4ntChaozz/Protofits Silent Chaozz Tux & Wolverine Im Kawaii pajama wearing scout that wrecks
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 595	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:27:00 - [122] - Quote Uh. Can I have your Isk? Hello? any one there?
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:33:00 - [123] - Quote This thread amuses me & i wish for more. Lets take LAV's away from heavies so we can hear them cry about having to use their legs. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 177	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:48:00 - [124] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. Hence the 5 seconds I posted originally.. Dont know how lag affects this, but Im sure it adds time..
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 177	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:51:00 - [125] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game This is the ONLY effective counter to a scout suit's ewar. The heavy suit's high HP and damage resistance has huge number of counters to it when running a HMG: - plasma cannon on any suit except a logi suit (on a commando this is an amazing counter) - any heavy suit with a HMG - any non-heavy suit with a range weapon out of a HMG's range (assuming - shotgun/knives on a scout suit - shotgun on any assault or commando suit - REs on any suit And a scout's ewar has only one effective counter: - a squad member on each squad doing nothing but visually looking for a scout, which given the high HP of a tanked scout in many circumstances means them dying before they take out the scout and warning the squad members so they hopefully finish him off before he kills another squad member. No tactic should have such limited counters. Ewar imbalance is more unbalanced than redline sniping. At least when someone redline snipes, I can counter snipe, or forge snipe. That is too few counters but it is still better than scout ewar. Scouts should have to choose between having HP or being invisible. Currently they can have the best of both worlds. There are different ways of balancing this, but nerfing the cloak is not one of them. stop talking about scouts ewar like you know something.. Have you tried on a Gallente scout lately? I get NO SCANS buddy.. NONE.. you can walk up behind me with a heavy and I wont see you.. Hence the stupid nerfs that were done to balance scouts having cloaks.. now we have no cloaks and **** pooor balancing
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 56	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:58:00 - [126] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 177	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:05:00 - [127] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 177	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:10:00 - [128] - Quote AndyAndio wrote: People on this thread talking about scouts when you see them on the battlefield rocking 900+ HP suits, smh.- Scouts dont rock 900 suits.. stop lying.. they dont now ..nor did they ever.. If you were to use all plates not sprint or cloak etc.. with full shields.. you still only get around 600.. and cant walk.. heavies would be faster.. SO STFU bish
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 186	Posted - 2015.01.17 02:58:00 - [129] - Quote Your leaving? Can I haz ur ISK? Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 186	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:00:00 - [130] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: AndyAndio wrote: People on this thread talking about scouts when you see them on the battlefield rocking 900+ HP suits, smh.- Scouts dont rock 900 suits.. stop lying.. they dont now ..nor did they ever.. If you were to use all plates not sprint or cloak etc.. with full shields.. you still only get around 600.. and cant walk.. heavies would be faster.. SO STFU bish Lies. I have a scout go.0 with over 700 and 200 shields. That is 900 eHP Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ

davis fritz Dauntless Fury 35	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:04:00 - [131] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Yeah, sucks actually having to go toe to toe with someone
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1095	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:21:00 - [132] - Quote The sky is falling! !!! Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1095	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:24:00 - [133] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo Jolly? Moody? Kitty? Musturd? Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1647	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:33:00 - [134] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo I dont know about you, but last time I checked a "Forum Warrior" has a bit more than 57 likes. If anything you're a really really bad player or a wannabe forum warrior lol. "Why build ontop of foundations that aren't solid?" HRI -> TUL -> FC -> ML -> TLoD -> RE -> DMG Pilot & Assault.
Union118 MONSTER SYNERGY 360	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:42:00 - [135] - Quote BOUT TIME Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 184	Posted - 2015.03.21 00:24:00 - [136] - Quote Forums always dumping on scouts because Theres no one representing them. Not enuff real scouts to play the game much less post here.. You can keep following Every whim of the forum warriorncall of booty hos. Or you can use a little fukn common sense... This game was better the day it came out then it is now.. You can't just keep breaking mechanics and calling it a Nerf.. Sad and pathetic no skill having programmers that decided that breaking the cloak mechanic was ok.. Same thing with the mass driver ..swarm launcher. Hey CCP wake up before free to play Tetris comes out and puts you out of business.. Clowns
RolyatDerTeufel 1805	Posted - 2015.03.21 00:27:00 - [137] - Quote this post the scouts are getting bent over into a very not pleasurable experience right now. Twitch.TV Live Stream YouTube Channel
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2015.03.21 00:33:00 - [138] - Quote Wow so gloomy. I remember a time when scouts weren't such whiny pansies relying on cloaks and they used they're superior speed and profile bonuses to kill, and they liked it.
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1015	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:11:00 - [139] - Quote screw the cloak my scout is better off without it Shotgun me once, shame on me Shotgun me twice, scans on you
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3223	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:14:00 - [140] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Wow so gloomy. I remember a time when scouts weren't such whiny pansies relying on cloaks and they used they're superior speed and profile bonuses to kill, and they liked it. Too bad those days are over due to Assaults having more HP, being able to see us with a lot less effort, and not needing to do anything to get kills. Same with Heavies, oh God the Heavy. I respect the Logi. *My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'* Why? *It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.*

sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3224	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:26:00 - [141] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo Jolly? Moody? Kitty? Musturd? Raven? Pseudo? Adipem? Shotty? Void? I'm almost certain that all of those named are better, and yes, I included me despite a lower KDR. (Old starter fit days.) *My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'* Why? *It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.*
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 186	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:29:00 - [142] - Quote Forums always dumping on scouts because Theres no one representing them. Not enuff real scouts to play the game much less post here.. You can keep following Every whim of the forum warriorncall of booty hos. Or you can use a little fukn common sense... This game was better the day it came out then it is now.. You can't just keep breaking mechanics and calling it a Nerf.. Sad and pathetic no skill having programmers that decided that breaking the cloak mechanic was ok.. Same thing with the mass driver ..swarm launcher. Hey CCP wake up before free to play Tetris comes out and puts you out of business.. Clowns
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 186	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:31:00 - [143] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo Jolly? Moody? Kitty? Musturd? Raven? Pseudo? Adipem? Shotty? Void? I'm almost certain that all of those named are better, and yes, I included me despite a lower KDR. (Old starter fit days.) Bring em ..but they ain't beat me yet..
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 756	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:42:00 - [144] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: ...free to play Tetris I'm trying to make the grass fabulous but the f**king sticks won't work!
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 193	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:44:00 - [145] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Wow so gloomy. I remember a time when scouts weren't such whiny pansies relying on cloaks and they used they're superior speed and profile bonuses to kill, and they liked it. Too bad those days are over due to Assaults having more HP, being able to see us with a lot less effort, and not needing to do anything to get kills. Same with Heavies, oh God the Heavy. I respect the Logi. I assure you being a logo is rough. Yes I keep my team alive and I get rewarded in points but an assault sneezes on me and I die. True story.
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3224	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:52:00 - [146] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Wow so gloomy. I remember a time when scouts weren't such whiny pansies relying on cloaks and they used they're superior speed and profile bonuses to kill, and they liked it. Too bad those days are over due to Assaults having more HP, being able to see us with a lot less effort, and not needing to do anything to get kills. Same with Heavies, oh God the Heavy. I respect the Logi. I assure you being a logo is rough. Yes I keep my team alive and I get rewarded in points but an assault sneezes on me and I die. True story. Not really, but it is rather close to true. I respect them for going through what we go through (to a lesser extent) and not complaining. Although, in the Scout's defense, it is perfectly just to be angry of a Scout nerf, or role inequality. *My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'* Why? *It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.*
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1946	Posted - 2015.03.21 01:55:00 - [147] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Link? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
mollerz 6236	Posted - 2015.03.21 02:07:00 - [148] - Quote Just wanted to chime in here- I liked the cloak when it was first released. Went immediately proto. I basically exclusively knifed. The cloak, even at its best, was not good for knifing. It was clumsy. I tried the cloak for one match after it was nerfed the first time to make you tacnet blind. It isn't that I care to see other players on the tacnet, it is that I couldn't see enemy spawn/EQ with it. Thus, to me, it became useless as ****. And now it is absolutely dumb to use. But hey, I didn't care. I just like to stab fattys to death. I don't even charge. I love slicing them more than once. If a cloak was useful, I would use it. It isn't and I still kill like I always did. disclaimer: I played one match in echo. Before that nothing since around the time blind cloak was intro'd. There's just better shoit to do than dust. Plus.. I don't set up an atari 2600 just like I don't look to set up my old ass PS3. I don't use windows 98 either. It's 2015. PS4 launched over a year ago.
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3224	Posted - 2015.03.21 02:07:00 - [149] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. 1/10 Try again... with FEELING. That's my saying! Bastard. *My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'* Why? *It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.*
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5850	Posted - 2015.03.21 02:17:00 - [150] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Basic cloak is can't lock anyone, drastically reduced move speed, cannot warp, and there is a delay to locking after you decloak. The Covert Cloak moves you at 100% speed, no delay from decloaking to lock, and you can warp. However, the two games really need to be stopped as a comparison to each other. This isn't quite true. Both cloaks have a delay to locking time after decloaking, even the covert variant. Stealth bombers have a bonus which removes this, though. Yes, that's a role bonus of one specific ship. All other ships that use Covert Ops cloaks have to wait through a 5 second targeting delay. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha

Indianna Pwns The Cheshire Cats 44	Posted - 2015.03.21 02:43:00 - [151] - Quote The cloak sucks, everyone can still see you moving (even at a crawl) and its so hard to fit. I go without and heavily dampen instead.
nelo kazuma Da Short Buss Driving School 51	Posted - 2015.03.21 03:23:00 - [152] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Hmm whats a scout usefull for hmm idk maybe actual scouting uplink placement hacking while invisible running into enemy territory to set uplinks to benifit team not just solo assholes who wanna shotgun nova knife n throw remotes. If u cant find a use that's sad a buddy of mine runs cal scout in city environment and runs cloak n scanner for points he sees everything. Gal scouts can walk right past enemys completly undetected lay links n nobody knows hes there or will due to dampening. Min scouts hack at ridiculous speeds one match his team quit but he ran around huge map n hacked everything withins a few seconds. As for amar scout ...umm well they try lol sadly haven't seen any. Their name is scout for a reason. They can traverse map no matter how well enemys camps cloak still helps great deal u just wanna abuse
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 0	Posted - 2015.03.21 04:04:00 - [153] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo Jolly? Moody? Kitty? Musturd? I still remember those names and some that you guys might not know of... I've been using this scout class before cloak was implemented. I'm not a slayer type, but a support type. Mostly I do recon, relay info on my team and take out those lonely redberries. I also do logistic roles, i have a min logi suit and I apply my recon skills on it too. Just my two cents, even though they hammered down the scout class. I'm still going to use it and that's because I enjoy playing the role of a scout. So enjoy the game and have fun knifing your foes.
cray cray FISH Caught Me With My Pants Down 44	Posted - 2015.03.21 06:04:00 - [154] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Sounds like you suck at running scouts, and think that cloaking getting nerfed is actually a big deal.. Me, I never needed cloaks; I used scouts only as faster assaults with smaller hitboxes. It works. If you're going to leave because of this, bye-bye. A player that thought a module was the only thing making a class playable? You won't be missed, trust me. Same ol song and dance every time the forum warrior come out to play.. Once again, Im the best scout in dust.. Before and after the cloak.. See me on the field.. Keep on trying nobody scout mofo Jolly? Moody? Kitty? Musturd? Djinn Marauder according to the scout gospel (Barbershop). .#Stormtrooper4life Team BD's Resident Fish
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1076	Posted - 2015.03.21 06:54:00 - [155] - Quote cray cray FISH wrote: scout gospel (Barbershop). No. I mean I don't doubt in marauder, you know other than the only time I've seen him was in armor tanked scouts in videos, but yeah the barbershop represent scouts in the same way that white supremacists represent mutli-cultural growth. In that they don't. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 103	Posted - 2015.03.21 10:58:00 - [156] - Quote Scouts who run without cloak...........those guys should have bigger suits to support their massive balls How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6756	Posted - 2015.03.21 13:37:00 - [157] - Quote This isn't a scout nerf. It's a Cloak nerf.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1077	Posted - 2015.03.21 18:21:00 - [158] - Quote Joel II X wrote: This isn't a scout nerf. It's a Cloak nerf. Did you see the range reduction in E-war and the nerf to range extenders, if that isn't a scout nerf I don't know what is. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 4	Posted - 2015.03.22 01:46:00 - [159] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Joel II X wrote: This isn't a scout nerf. It's a Cloak nerf. Did you see the range reduction in E-war and the nerf to range extenders, if that isn't a scout nerf I don't know what is. Yes it is a nerf, i can vouch to that. Just my opinion, the once that you see still playing scouts are the hardcore ones (not all but some). I mean we don't have passive scans, so it's more like they really know how to scout without the e-war stuff. and scouts are pretty squishy or it's just me using modules and not tanking it
Mex-0 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 530	Posted - 2015.03.22 01:50:00 - [160] - Quote I liked it when I could turn on my cloak, nova knife someone, recloak, and run away. Now, people who melee have an advantage because they can recloak faster. (if they are meleeing from cloak equipment) Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ

rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis 31	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:13:00 - [161] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Imagine what all of us fat boys have went through because of a bunch of whiny ass scouts, think about it do you own any real weapons if you do you know a shotgun doesn't even come close to out ranging a 30 cal hmg but in new eden it does along with everything else. The assault hmg had alright range with almost no damage now it has all the damage but no accuracy so it's still a joke the fastest man in the world can't run between bullets but every scout on the game runs between them now as well as most assaults. So I say nerf 'em too. Even the Klingon's had to decloak before they shot at the Enterprise why shouldn't you?
tffvbhb Team Bukkakke 0	Posted - 2015.03.23 02:24:00 - [162] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart I never have a problem with it
HOLY PERFECTION Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 78	Posted - 2015.03.23 02:25:00 - [163] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Their is a reason why they have been nerfed. Stupid. Mabye if CCP could nerf it right, they dont have to nerf it 12 times. What about da heavys. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
CPM Awox Mexican Justice League 262	Posted - 2015.03.23 02:28:00 - [164] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Have you ever tried playing the class without the cloak? Killed again has Super-Ebola.
Skill 666 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.03.23 04:15:00 - [165] - Quote DUUDE SERIOUSLY!?? Didnt the scout come before the cloak???..I guess he cant have fun without a cloak or she possibly??....BUMMER...Cloaks are soo serial. Vacuum fulla Dust Bunnies?
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 643	Posted - 2015.03.23 06:18:00 - [166] - Quote The scout is not a slayer class, it's a SCOUT class. Go look up the definition of the word scout. You could do something crazy, like I don't know... Joining a squad and... scouting for them? Maybe hack a point and toss an uplink? Honestly, I think scouts should only have two side arms, be glad I'm not the one working on things at CCP. The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1854	Posted - 2015.03.23 06:19:00 - [167] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. No. Only YOU can prevent forest fires. Prevent? oops Crush them
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 8232	Posted - 2015.03.23 08:21:00 - [168] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Go look up the definition of the word scout. You could do something crazy, like I don't know... Joining a squad and... scouting for them? If I wanted to scout for my squad, why would I run anything other than GalLogi? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1854	Posted - 2015.03.23 08:42:00 - [169] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Go look up the definition of the word scout. You could do something crazy, like I don't know... Joining a squad and... scouting for them? If I wanted to scout for my squad, why would I run anything other than GalLogi? Knowing whether 3 heavies or 3 starter fits are holding a position is one reason. Scouts can also travel much faster unsupported. Crush them
Vyzion Eyri WarRavens 2652	Posted - 2015.03.23 08:59:00 - [170] - Quote Skipped the 9 pages so apologies if it's already mentioned, but how I use my scout is that I just select my weapon 5 seconds before I know I'm within range of the enemy. Just sayin'. > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1090	Posted - 2015.03.29 07:05:00 - [171] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Knowing whether 3 heavies or 3 starter fits are holding a position is one reason. Scouts can also travel much faster unsupported. With a cloaked scout you can't even tell whether or not there are enemies within a 10 foot radius. If you're lucky you'll get a 40m radius if you uncloak and enemies don't see and destroy your paper thin suit. Active scans still have directionals so it won't even matter what they are, you can go around the enemy because you know exactly how they're oriented. You don't need too much mobility when your scans reach 100+ meters out, not to mention proper logies never leave the squad radius so unsupported isn't a loss on the logi front. Again what are the benefits? I couldn't find them in the analogical reasoning that fails to account for the benefit of both suits. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Gemini Cuspid 141	Posted - 2015.03.29 08:45:00 - [172] - Quote The 'scouts are paper thin" argument really holds no water when your asking ppl to shoot at scouts that have improved mobility thanks to myo modules along with lower hit boxes that are calculated. Scouts will typically loose out on a straight gun fight if there is no terrain to their advantage but most scouts typically avoid a straight shoot-out that they can't seem use to their benefit in closing the range or terrain. Yes I can see your scout from afar "sometimes", at the same rate my scanners don't always pick you up. Likewise even if I see you from afar, it's 100% possible to literally move a dozen or so meters left/right and a player is now forced to ask if the scout actually left or will they pop up with a nova knife or shotgun in 8 seconds so you may need to walk dozens of meters needing to watch your front and back. Yes i don't know any other suit that has this "so-called problem". Also don't give me the "omgz wtf bbq yo scouts have been nerfed from day 1" as they were given an extra slot just for their friggin cloaks. So yeah nerf grenades, yea and nerf logi with the whole speed and useless class bonuses. At the end of the day scouts have it so hard and that's why it's one of the most common fits run because it's just SOOO BAAD... Yeah cry me a river OP....
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1091	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:38:00 - [173] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: The 'scouts are paper thin" argument really holds no water when your asking ppl to shoot at scouts that have improved mobility thanks to myo modules along with lower hit boxes that are calculated. Scouts will typically loose out on a straight gun fight if there is no terrain to their advantage but most scouts typically avoid a straight shoot-out that they can't seem use to their benefit in closing the range or terrain. No it does, any good scout will use mainly e-war, or at least that's what was meant to be. There's nothing prevent a scout from brick tanking and being a slayer other than that assault suits do a better job of it now. The scout role is currently fcked because rather than nerfing tanking on scouts, or making e-war slot intensive ratatati decided to make E-war a thing that takes up x more amount of slots than an active scanner and make it worse than the active scanner no matter how much E-war you stack. Gemini Cuspid wrote:* Yes I can see your scout from afar "sometimes", at the same rate my scanners don't always pick you up. Likewise even if I see you from afar, it's 100% possible to literally move a dozen or so meters left/right and a player is now forced to ask if the scout actually left or will they pop up with a nova knife or shotgun in 8 seconds so you may need to walk dozens of meters needing to watch your front and back. The time it takes for a scout suit to go down is significantly less than any other suit, even if you get ambushed by one it isn't an issue to dispatch with half decent aim. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 191	Posted - 2015.04.01 03:24:00 - [174] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: The scout is not a slayer class, it's a SCOUT class. Go look up the definition of the word scout. You could do something crazy, like I don't know... Joining a squad and... scouting for them? Maybe hack a point and toss an uplink? Honestly, I think scouts should only have two side arms, be glad I'm not the one working on things at CCP. So shouldn't a scout class have scans? We have none left.. What about camps? They took that too.. Literally NoO passive scans .. A heavy can walk up behind any advanced scout without being seen.. And I'm being picked up by passive scans from both assault and logos before they show on mine... So yo take everything that defines the class.. Then you Nerf damage.. And make it fukn stupid to even try to pull out a weapon.. What's left? Answer..just me .. And anyone claiming that they just pull out their fun 5 seconds early isn't a real scout.. That works less than half the time.. Far less.. Ever been surprised in your no ewar scout? Surrounded? Any # of other scenarios make that a load of crap that COBooty fans might think is plausible.
Stupid Blueberry The Darkhunter Society 1059	Posted - 2015.04.01 04:18:00 - [175] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Real Scouts don't need cloaks. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen. Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 191	Posted - 2015.04.02 07:17:00 - [176] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Real Scouts don't need cloaks. Your a real scout? Lol... All I see is assault posers in this thread...
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2001	Posted - 2015.04.02 07:52:00 - [177] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Real Scouts don't need cloaks. Your a real scout? Lol... All I see is assault posers in this thread... That's coz you can't see the real scouts dude :-p
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 369	Posted - 2015.04.02 07:58:00 - [178] - Quote scout + cloak = melee killer scout, not gun fighter. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro Logibro2
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2265	Posted - 2015.04.02 08:06:00 - [179] - Quote Mregomies wrote: scout + cloak = melee killer scout, not gun fighter. Does my Shotty count as a gun? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 369	Posted - 2015.04.02 08:21:00 - [180] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Mregomies wrote: scout + cloak = melee killer scout, not gun fighter. Does my Shotty count as a gun? If it is your cup of tea. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro Logibro2

JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 2267	Posted - 2015.04.02 08:36:00 - [181] - Quote Mregomies wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Mregomies wrote: scout + cloak = melee killer scout, not gun fighter. Does my Shotty count as a gun? If it is your cup of tea. It is. Am I not a "gun fighter"? Can I haz ur ISK? Do you have officer gear or rare items to sell or trade? Message me in game with details.
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 369	Posted - 2015.04.02 08:46:00 - [182] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Mregomies wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Mregomies wrote: scout + cloak = melee killer scout, not gun fighter. Does my Shotty count as a gun? If it is your cup of tea. It is. Am I not a "gun fighter"? No, you are ez mode cloak shotty OHK no gun game scrub Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro Logibro2
SOGZ PANDA WarRavens 77	Posted - 2015.04.02 10:03:00 - [183] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. To be fair, i do the same thing and don't use the cloak. But then you delve into a new problem where you're putting a new item into the game that is effectively useless and the skill on the scout class makes no sense cause noone will use it. I kind of agree with OP only because it never really cured shooting while cloaked. Was just a bandaid But too much whine for me from OP "Why should we make a story about you?" "Cause I'm so f*ing good!"
Yeeeuuuupppp 993	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:59:00 - [184] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart How about you learn to be a GOOD scout and not use a cloak. There ARE ways to be a good scout without leaning on your crutches. *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Yeeeuuuupppp 993	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:01:00 - [185] - Quote Mregomies wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Mregomies wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Mregomies wrote: scout + cloak = melee killer scout, not gun fighter. Does my Shotty count as a gun? If it is your cup of tea. It is. Am I not a "gun fighter"? No, you are ez mode cloak shotty OHK no gun game scrub I remember one time in squad chat you said you were only a logi because you have bad gun game, ha *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5980	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:17:00 - [186] - Quote The short delay was fine. This, meanwhile, makes cloaks more of a liability to use. They don't conceal you very well, so people WILL notice you; when they do, you'll be defenseless due to the length of the delay. Some details can be ignored
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 534	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:19:00 - [187] - Quote No hit detection means yall need a nerf. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 29	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:20:00 - [188] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. lol CEO / Art.of.Death
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4416	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:32:00 - [189] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Then why is my scout better then my heavy? I don't rage,I get even Close beta Pro heavy
Harry Bawlss Fatal Absolution 223	Posted - 2015.04.02 16:42:00 - [190] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart You mad because you weren't a good scout to begin with BRUH

Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.04.02 16:47:00 - [191] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: are you allowed to fire your weapons immediately after decloaking in eve? seriously i dont remember. you cant fire while cloaked iirc cause you cant lock anything. i think theres a penalty on fancy cloaks that slow down your targeting so you take longer to attack. just looked it up on eve uni. if this is update it explains why you have to wait a few seconds in dust. its fair since how thats how they worked in eve. never used one. 99% of the time you have a targeting recalibration delay. Different covert ops capable ships get different target lock time bonuses. If I recall correctly the Stealth Bomber is the only ship that can instantly lock and shoot after decloaking. If there is any change that is going to be implemented to cloaking delay it probably would be bonuses to certain scout suits. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 570	Posted - 2015.04.02 17:08:00 - [192] - Quote The ninja scout buffs were the pinnacle of CoD gameplay. Start scouting, stop scrubbing. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Kuruld Sengar G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2015.04.02 17:33:00 - [193] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Real Scouts don't need cloaks. Your a real scout? Lol... All I see is assault posers in this thread... Try going without a cloak. 1. Extra fitting capacity. 2. Extra equipment. 3. No delay. 4. We can see the cloak blur plain as day anyway. 5. When playing the min scout, my non-cloaked fit vastly out performs the cloaked one. 6. The cloak is a utility designed for stealth that is almost exclusive to the scout. Try using it for escaping/hacking and crossing open ground. Scouts are not broken. Far from it actually. They just feel less unique now that the assault/logi can out maneuver them with myofibs, and the sentinel sneaking up is common.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 767	Posted - 2015.04.02 19:42:00 - [194] - Quote Why cloak while hacking? Everyone knows your there due to the blinking letter. Evening Boys, Hows the water?
Deathviper420 research lab 8	Posted - 2015.04.02 20:10:00 - [195] - Quote [/quote] Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game[/quote] The scout and the heavy are the ony suits i fear and the cal and gal scouts more so due to the fact there can't be seen even by my gal logi with proto scans thats gets down to 15. but at least thay are running there slot like they should compered to armor and shield tanked scouts.the secound equitment in my opion puts them in logi class. its said they have it so they can run there clock and another equitment. but the other suits have to choice nanohives or risk running out of ammo, wheres they sec eq slot ? scout get to much handed to them. i remember in beta the real scout could do just fine . oh and yes heavys are still a bit op i run gal heavy and cal heavy and it is a bit on the easy side.
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10878	Posted - 2015.04.02 20:12:00 - [196] - Quote 2Berries wrote: Why cloak while hacking? Everyone knows your there due to the blinking letter. Not if you're sneaky. Try standing off to the side, on the extreme edge of hack range. Often had people shot right at the console and missed me. Then they spray all over till they find me. By then, I'm normally done. Smart people throw grenades at objectives that have a cloak on them. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
MythTanker Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 281	Posted - 2015.04.02 20:13:00 - [197] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: 2Berries wrote: Why cloak while hacking? Everyone knows your there due to the blinking letter. Not if you're sneaky. Try standing off to the side, on the extreme edge of hack range. Often had people shot right at the console and missed me. Then they spray all over till they find me. By then, I'm normally done. Smart people throw grenades at objectives that have a cloak on them. Yea this counters my AFG overwatch on objectives sometimes. The splash raidus isn't big enough to completely overwatch it and that requires 2 shots from me if thats the case. By then the objective is already hacked. Drink Quafe F@gg0t -CPM Awox FA's offical FG bitch
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 798	Posted - 2015.04.02 21:16:00 - [198] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Did the Cloak get nerfed, or did you?
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1008	Posted - 2015.04.02 21:22:00 - [199] - Quote scouts are simply better players? nice one, but you are so wrong. Quit crying that a nice crutch was taken away... as a scout you can make good use of that, you can still infiltrate past enemies and drop an uplink or hack an objective after decloaking.. you can't just give surprise buttsex no more from out of nowhere..htfu
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 342	Posted - 2015.04.02 21:33:00 - [200] - Quote Nova Knives Death by laser is imminent

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1021	Posted - 2015.04.02 21:41:00 - [201] - Quote Forced Death wrote: Nova Knives indeed, still have that option also.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 192	Posted - 2015.04.06 06:13:00 - [202] - Quote SOGZ PANDA wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. To be fair, i do the same thing and don't use the cloak. But then you delve into a new problem where you're putting a new item into the game that is effectively useless and the skill on the scout class makes no sense cause noone will use it. I kind of agree with OP only because it never really cured shooting while cloaked. Was just a bandaid But too much whine for me from OP Pick a side you wish washy bish
Hitman Turrentine EVE'S Best 0	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:10:00 - [203] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart
Hitman Turrentine EVE'S Best 0	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:12:00 - [204] - Quote Hitman Turrentine wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart I feel the same way!!! Scouts have been missed over time after time. Please fix the cloak A.S.A.P.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 417	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:14:00 - [205] - Quote Cloak? WTF is that CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 498	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:37:00 - [206] - Quote You're not trying hard enough Smoky. You must go back to the ways of musturd. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1129	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:39:00 - [207] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: You're not trying hard enough Smoky. You must go back to the ways of musturd. mustard wasn't even that good tbh... GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 498	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:42:00 - [208] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: You're not trying hard enough Smoky. You must go back to the ways of musturd. mustard wasn't even that good tbh... To each his own. But musturd had a cult. He also started scouting when there was no cloaks. Musturd also was a sneaky mcsneakerton. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1129	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:45:00 - [209] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: You're not trying hard enough Smoky. You must go back to the ways of musturd. mustard wasn't even that good tbh... To each his own. But musturd had a cult. He also started scouting when there was no cloaks. Musturd also was a sneaky mcsneakerton. Moody was better, but his cult was far and few even though he had a youtube channel and everything... GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2079	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:36:00 - [210] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: Musturd also was a sneaky mcsneakerton. ^ gustavo acosta wrote: Moody was better, but his cult was far and few even though he had a youtube channel and everything... Only time I ever saw a merc take out a whole squad with dual scrambler pistols. [edit] before that killer RoF reduction

Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 499	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:36:00 - [211] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: You're not trying hard enough Smoky. You must go back to the ways of musturd. mustard wasn't even that good tbh... To each his own. But musturd had a cult. He also started scouting when there was no cloaks. Musturd also was a sneaky mcsneakerton. Moody was better, but his cult was far and few even though he had a youtube channel and everything... Moody was great. Some lore on Moody -- He worked with musturd in PC quite often. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1129	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:56:00 - [212] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: Moody was great. Some lore on Moody -- He worked with musturd in PC quite often. You're right people who are better known are obviously better. I mean they just correlate so well together, that's why everyone knows Justin Beiber is a better artist than Paul McCartney right? He's better known so the answer by your logic is Justin is exceedingly better, it's a universal truth bruuh... GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 241	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:10:00 - [213] - Quote Proud and dedicated scout here. There is nothing wrong with scouts. They are neither broken nor nerfed, they are BALANCED. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5915	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:39:00 - [214] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: SOGZ PANDA wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. To be fair, i do the same thing and don't use the cloak. But then you delve into a new problem where you're putting a new item into the game that is effectively useless and the skill on the scout class makes no sense cause noone will use it. I kind of agree with OP only because it never really cured shooting while cloaked. Was just a bandaid But too much whine for me from OP Pick a side you wish washy bish Killing you today was very satisfying. ;) I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17994	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:43:00 - [215] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Moody was great. Some lore on Moody -- He worked with musturd in PC quite often. You're right people who are better known are obviously better. I mean they just correlate so well together, that's why everyone knows Justin Beiber is a better artist than Paul McCartney right? He's better known so the answer by your logic is Justin is exceedingly better, it's a universal truth bruuh... However Mustard was known for being a badass scout.....he just was better than the majority of other players at what he did. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9150	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:49:00 - [216] - Quote True Adamance wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Moody was great. Some lore on Moody -- He worked with musturd in PC quite often. You're right people who are better known are obviously better. I mean they just correlate so well together, that's why everyone knows Justin Beiber is a better artist than Paul McCartney right? He's better known so the answer by your logic is Justin is exceedingly better, it's a universal truth bruuh... However Mustard was known for being a badass scout.....he just was better than the majority of other players at what he did. Given what he accomplished with the officer knives event, I would suggest he was better than all of the other players at what he did. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1129	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:59:00 - [217] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Given what he accomplished with the officer knives event, I would suggest he was better than all of the other players at what he did. Hold it right there. No, having an officer weapon doesn't say anything about being the best at anything, it just so happened that spent x amount of time playing with only one weapon for a weekend. Officer weapons equate to the in best, in the same way that the Grammies equate to good music. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17994	Posted - 2015.04.07 01:01:00 - [218] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: True Adamance wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Moody was great. Some lore on Moody -- He worked with musturd in PC quite often. You're right people who are better known are obviously better. I mean they just correlate so well together, that's why everyone knows Justin Beiber is a better artist than Paul McCartney right? He's better known so the answer by your logic is Justin is exceedingly better, it's a universal truth bruuh... However Mustard was known for being a badass scout.....he just was better than the majority of other players at what he did. Given what he accomplished with the officer knives event, I would suggest he was better than all of the other players at what he did. At Nova Knifing for sure. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9152	Posted - 2015.04.07 01:03:00 - [219] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Given what he accomplished with the officer knives event, I would suggest he was better than all of the other players at what he did. Hold it right there. No, having an officer weapon doesn't say anything about being the best at anything, it just so happened that spent x amount of time playing with only one weapon for a weekend. Officer weapons equate to the in best, in the same way that the Grammies equate to good music. You had the option of doing better. If you think that in your best games with militia knives you could kill as many people as he did over the same period, you are probably over estimating your knifing skills. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1129	Posted - 2015.04.07 01:15:00 - [220] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You had the option of doing better. If you think that in your best games with militia knives you could kill as many people as he did over the same period, you are probably over estimating your knifing skills. I might be able to who knows, who cares? It'd be very presumptuous of anyone to believe that just because a player had the most kills in a weekend with a certain weapon, even at militia tier, that they are the best at it. Not everyone participated Not everyone had the the ability to at the time Not everyone cared There are a plethora of reasons why someone better didn't get an officer weapon named. It will never equate because there are too many factors to account for, so rather than being arrogant and making bold claims like "espeon bons is the best shotgunner in the game." I'd rather say things I know to be true, "The gravitaional constant on the earth surface is 9.8 m/s^s." "Moody was better." "Slippery slopes are silly." etc. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th

Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 501	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:15:00 - [221] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Moody was great. Some lore on Moody -- He worked with musturd in PC quite often. You're right people who are better known are obviously better. I mean they just correlate so well together, that's why everyone knows Justin Beiber is a better artist than Paul McCartney right? He's better known so the answer by your logic is Justin is exceedingly better, it's a universal truth bruuh... Of course not. There is plenty of unsung heroes ya foo. I just support Moody and musturd because not only did I play with them and know what they do best, But others did as well. Good friends to have. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 501	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:18:00 - [222] - Quote Also Canada sold Bieber to United States unofficially. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
Aggrohim Escrow RemovaI and Acquisition 58	Posted - 2015.04.07 13:58:00 - [223] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart I agree with part of this and I agree the 5 seconds really messed me up for a while. It wasn't to much to cripple scouts. I ha had to learn to time the decloak it adds a little more skill lol to get the timing perfect and shotty before you get killed by every1 else with RRs. But the laggy shots that have come with the new update is just terrible and needs to be fixed for sure. When I shoot a heavy and it gives a FPS drop is the most annoying thing right now. If they gave an option to turn off the moods and extra graphics I think it would help a lot. Pro Gal Scout and Assault. Pro Min Logi. 42mil SP on main character
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo 100	Posted - 2015.04.07 14:05:00 - [224] - Quote Wow, really sheesh, this may cause me to convert as a Kameria because of the scout nerf. THANK YA JEEZUZ! Praise Breaks I eat drahp uplink, me thinks this isn't a cookie. `~`
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 193	Posted - 2015.04.13 21:49:00 - [225] - Quote shaman oga wrote: From a non-scout perspective: un-cloak should not have animation, because people still see cloaked scout shooting at them. From a scout perspective: i've learned to un-cloak a little before and the timing is almost fine, but the fix have a problem, sometime it does not change to weapon and you have to press again, that's annoying, but the timing is ok. The greatest problem are for those who tank scouts, no more charging like bulls in front of the enemy, you can have a lot of HP but if the enemy see you, you are half dead, no more 99% chance of success. People who say the learned to uncloak earlier are either not scouts or just trying to look tuff.. That only works if you are following somebody.. Which is less than 30% of all situations we find ourselves in..
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 71	Posted - 2015.04.13 21:54:00 - [226] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart They were hit with the nerf bat!?!?! When?! Tell me now so I may go to that time period!!! One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
killian178 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 136	Posted - 2015.04.14 02:26:00 - [227] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: Also Canada sold Bieber to United States unofficially. And we need a refund Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.


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