DUST Search - The scout nerf.. are you serious?

IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Smoky The Bear wrote:

The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations..

I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones?

First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class..

O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP.

Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth..

Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart

No reason if you are using the Cloak as a tactical tool and not a silent delivery system for a shotgun this should impact your gameplay all that much.

Smoky The Bear wrote:

Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made..

I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on

and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late..

And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..

You're the one ignoring your own point mate. Seriously, I wish there was a LOL button next to the Like button for me to use.

To paraphrase you:

- cloak changes broke scout role
- i'm a great player without the cloak
- I'm leaving coz scouts are broken without cloak and the game is generally crap

TTFN

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Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 161	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:22:00 - [31] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: True Adamance wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart No reason if you are using the Cloak as a tactical tool and not a silent delivery system for a shotgun this should impact your gameplay all that much. ^ Smoky The Bear wrote: Been here since this game started.. Ive played better than you.. with or without a cloak.. that never changes.. and thats not the point.. the class is now BROKEN.. and nobody will play it anymore.. including me.. Because Ill be playing a game that doesnt have the worst shooting mechanics of ANY first person shooter made.. I only played dust because it had some things that were not like other shooters.. Now its just point and click shooter like COD, with STUPID mechanics.. no straffing.. actually nothing original or fun left here.. moving on and for the guy who put "1 second delay" was dead wrong.. I counted "1 thousand one.. 1 thousand 2 .. 1 thousand 3.. before the gun even shows up.. then half the time it wont shoot.. or shoots late.. And for all the forum warriors who conveniently ignore the whole point.. this nerf was supposed to fix the shooting while cloaked animation.. it DID NOT FIX IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. You're the one ignoring your own point mate. Seriously, I wish there was a LOL button next to the Like button for me to use. To paraphrase you: - cloak changes broke scout role - i'm a great player without the cloak - I'm leaving coz scouts are broken without cloak and the game is generally crap TTFN What part of that didnt you understand.? thanks for the paraphrase
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1112	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:40:00 - [32] - Quote Scouting before they were ultra-buffed and given the cloak was a lot more fun, now scouting feels dirty. Probably because I don't want to be lumped together with players like you who need/use the cloak as a crutch. Only time I can bring myself to break out my scout now is when I am chasing shield tanks with a PLC. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 118	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:43:00 - [33] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Scouting before they were ultra-buffed and given the cloak was a lot more fun, now scouting feels dirty. Probably because I don't want to be lumped together with players like you who need/use the cloak as a crutch. Only time I can bring myself to break out my scout now is when I am chasing shield tanks with a PLC. +1
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 389	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:51:00 - [34] - Quote EWAR scout: vs EWAR Assault: I can see more See farther Remain invisible Faster Smaller hit box Same DPS More equipment Bricktanked scout vs bricktanked Assault The scout still: Sees more Sees farther Remains invisible Faster Smaller hitbox Equivalent DPS Same eHP More equipment All skill of course. But as everyone knows the biggest problem with the game is assault dropships of course. Now they're OP. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Sev Alcatraz 687	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:51:00 - [35] - Quote Cya later **** lords! Disgruntled vet
dzizur 6 dayz 111	Posted - 2014.11.16 13:53:00 - [36] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I have three scout suits protoed. The only thing wrong with them is that the cloak is OP. that's odd, whenever I fit a cloak to my scout suit I feel like i'm gimping it..
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3798	Posted - 2014.11.16 14:09:00 - [37] - Quote I wish I had OP's face... just so I could smash my head into the corner of a table.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 270	Posted - 2014.11.16 14:19:00 - [38] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. 1. Scouts were OP after 1.8, but they weren't "managing just fine" pre-1.8. 2. If Newbros can't fit cloak and Vets don't want cloak, then new class bonus?
Duke Noobiam The Dukes Of Death 261	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:03:00 - [39] - Quote No tears for you. BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:39:00 - [40] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: are you allowed to fire your weapons immediately after decloaking in eve? seriously i dont remember. i believe theres a movement penalty and you cant fire while cloaked iirc. never used one. Depends on the cloak you have. Basic cloak is can't lock anyone, drastically reduced move speed, cannot warp, and there is a delay to locking after you decloak. The Covert Cloak moves you at 100% speed, no delay from decloaking to lock, and you can warp. However, the two games really need to be stopped as a comparison to each other. It is like asking Bloodlust in World of Warcraft to work exactly like Warcraft 3. Two different games, two entirely different genre. Wow that just blew my mind you are so right about dust eve comparison being like war craft 3 vs blood lust wow Yet another slave of Mortedeamor

Kain Spero Goonfeet 3831	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:48:00 - [41] - Quote Seriously, if you think you aren't shooting while invisible or that it's just some sort of "lag" I have something to show you: 3rd Person Cloak - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-jnU96Tif4 1st Person Cloak - http://youtu.be/khwz82yRZH0 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15078	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:55:00 - [42] - Quote Skilled scouts never needed cloaks before. Give your leg some time to heal Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 408	Posted - 2014.11.16 15:55:00 - [43] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Current scouts and previous broken mechanics made a lot of people leave. I wonder how many noobs you invisibly shot in the back stuck around and continued playing...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1901	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:02:00 - [44] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart use cloaks for hideing and running away... use speed and ewar for getting close... adapt or die [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:24:00 - [45] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: EWAR scout: vs EWAR Assault: I can see more See farther Remain invisible Faster Smaller hit box Same DPS More equipment Bricktanked scout vs bricktanked Assault The scout still: Sees more Sees farther Remains invisible Faster Smaller hitbox Equivalent DPS Same eHP More equipment All skill of course. But as everyone knows the biggest problem with the game is assault dropships of course. Now they're OP. Well, the brick tanked scout does not have the same eHP, just similar, but your point still stands: scouts are still vastly superior to assaults. To be honest, I don't get all the cry about the cloak. The cloak doesn't make the scout class OP IMO. Its the complete lack of effective counters to a scout's ewar capabilities that make it crazy OP. The only way to see anything more than a mildly dampened scout is to run a scout suit. A logi with 4 complex precisions mods can't see a mildly dampened scout on their passive scans and logis have the best scan precision of the medium and heavy suits. Considering logis have base HP closer to scouts than assaults, the logi would likely have less HP than the scout. Sneaking up on units that are engaged in a fire fight is easy to do if you do not show up on their passive scans. I've done it in an assault suit with no dampening modules, my dampening skill only at 4, and no cloak. Even though I was using non-OHK weapons like the flaylock/smg and my gun game is meh at best, I still could fairly consistently come out of matches with positive kdr. Running a gal logi with active scans is not actually an effective counter because the cool down, and limited range leaves massive spatial and temporal holes and scouts get warnings when they are actually scanned. Active scans in non-gal logis are useless (I prevent scans in my logi suit with no dampening modules equipped; I evade simply because I have dampening to lvl 5). So, all of this means that a gal or cal scout can run one dampening module and brick tank their HP to the lower HP range of an assault, and still not be seen. Amar/min scouts would need to run two complex dampening modules to be invisible, but if the logi ran only 2 complex dampening modules, one dampening module is enough. You'd be a fool to use your cloak when you are close to them because that is the only thing other than the kill screen that would alert a solitary player of your presence. Two players? EITHER: OHK the first -> second player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second, OR: drop 1-2 RE and OHK them both. Three players? EITHER: Drop 1-2 REs and OHK them all, OR: OHK the first -> second and third player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second -> use superior speed and small hit box to engage in a fire fight with the third or run away, OR: pull back -> wait for one of them to split from the group -> see steps for single player engagement. Don't get me wrong here: there is still skill in delivering the OHK. However, the completely unbalanced ewar tips engagements massively in the scout's favour.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3530	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:32:00 - [46] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you Here you go. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90055 Go tell them how they're all useless without the cloak, let us know what they think. And no, my answer is "Stop trying to use the cloak as a means for direct combat." Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1387	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:43:00 - [47] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Killed the class... HAH! Glad to see this 1 (Count em, ONE, not FIVE) second delay in firing is getting rid of a few of these cloaked shotty "scouts". Perhaps it will continue to show who's actually good with the class and dedicated to scouting, rather than just being a FoTM chaser. Bravo, CCP. Bravo. I want to punch.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 213	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:50:00 - [48] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart Begin post summary logs. Boohoo I'm a selfish player that wants to lazily kill everyone with no effort boohoo my best means of doing this is getting thrown down the drain waaahhhh waaahhhh waaahhh my antisociality is being nerfed waaahhhh. End post summary logs. There is literally no sense for team killing to be possible in any gamemode.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5898	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:54:00 - [49] - Quote Three things I don't like. 1) That the proto cloak is necessary to max dampen. 2) The range nerf to cloak makes it more of a liability than a useful tool. 3) The "cloak delay" applies to any switch from cloak, EVEN IF THE CLOAK WAS NOT ACTIVE. When you combine the first two, and you main a Minja, it is really a kick in the rusty nuts. If I could dampen enough without a cloak, I would drop it in a heartbeat. The fact that ONLY the pro cloak can help you avoid scans means I HAVE to sacrifice a lot on all my fittings because of the fitting cost of that thing. I HAVE to deal with the cloak delay, because though I would like to sneak up on people, I can't do it WITHOUT the cloak. More and more I feel forced to skill into the Gal scout. It is the only suit that would allow me to continue the play style I had honed over year and a half I have been a Min scout. Cloak nerfs have made the Gal scout a better Minja than Minmatar... Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1291	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:18:00 - [50] - Quote People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)

Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 970	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:24:00 - [51] - Quote As a scout. Awwww, I thought it was really being bumped up to a five second delay. For a second there I was happy that even more of those EZ-moding invisi-gankers were going to leave the class. Scouts didn't -require- cloaks before, and they don't -require- them now, especially since they've been buffed by having more cpu/pg, better ewar, a second equipment, and an extra fitting slot. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2186	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:24:00 - [52] - Quote The 1 second delay is lol. I suspect the scout nerfs aren't done yet.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 274	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:31:00 - [53] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Boohoo I'm a selfish player that wants to lazily kill everyone with no effort boohoo my best means of doing this is getting thrown down the drain waaahhhh waaahhhh waaahhh my antisociality is being nerfed waaahhhh. "Lazily killing with no effort" is an apt description of HMG Heavies. Let's not pretend that this isn't a fact. Perhaps high-HP Scouts have room for laziness and error, but low-HP Scouts get smashed if they make a mistake. We don't know what Smoky runs, but we do know that he mained Scout well before cloak, back when the suit was so underpowered that only a tiny percentage of players would touch it. Smoky isn't among the scrubbery who migrated to Scout post 1.8; he ran Scout when running Scout was the hardest role one could run. I think it reasonable and appropriate that we hear what he has to say without jumping to conclusions or calling him lazy.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4600	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:33:00 - [54] - Quote Except you can get two shots off from the shotgun while cloaked now AND increase the decloak animation , further increase the cloak up time. There are so many things gone wrong with this "fix" it's ridiculous. Should've just put a fixed number for a delay instead of an increase on the animation. Not sure if it would require a patch or not, though, since you would be adding new mechanics to Dust. Actually, wait! Now that that I think about it, didn't the Plasma Cannon have a2 seconds fire delay right after firing by switching to sidearm? Remember that? That's what we wanted for the cloak.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:38:00 - [55] - Quote Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 277	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:40:00 - [56] - Quote I agree that the fix could've been implemented differently. 0.00 sec - Decloak 0.01 sec - Decloak animation begins 0.50 sec - Decloak animation ends (fully visible) 1.00 sec - Weapon ready (or) 0.00 sec - Decloak 0.01 sec - Decloak animation begins 0.75 sec - Decloak animation ends (fully visible) 1.50 sec - Weapon ready * Or some such progression. Guaranteeing that shooter is visible before shooting should put end to cloak QQ. I'd also like to see the weapon ready delay activate if and only if cloak is activated.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 258	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:43:00 - [57] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Well, the brick tanked scout does not have the same eHP, just similar, but your point still stands: scouts are still vastly superior to assaults. To be honest, I don't get all the cry about the cloak. The cloak doesn't make the scout class OP IMO. Its the complete lack of effective counters to a scout's ewar capabilities that make it crazy OP. The only way to see anything more than a mildly dampened scout is to run a scout suit. A logi with 4 complex precisions mods can't see a mildly dampened scout on their passive scans and logis have the best scan precision of the medium and heavy suits. Considering logis have base HP closer to scouts than assaults, the logi would likely have less HP than the scout. Sneaking up on units that are engaged in a fire fight is easy to do if you do not show up on their passive scans. I've done it in an assault suit with no dampening modules, my dampening skill only at 4, and no cloak. Even though I was using non-OHK weapons like the flaylock/smg and my gun game is meh at best, I still could fairly consistently come out of matches with positive kdr. Running a gal logi with active scans is not actually an effective counter because the cool down, and limited range leaves massive spatial and temporal holes and scouts get warnings when they are actually scanned. Active scans in non-gal logis are useless (I prevent scans in my logi suit with no dampening modules equipped; I evade simply because I have dampening to lvl 5). So, all of this means that a gal or cal scout can run one dampening module and brick tank their HP to the lower HP range of an assault, and still not be seen. Amar/min scouts would need to run two complex dampening modules to be invisible, but if the logi ran only 2 complex dampening modules, one dampening module is enough. You'd be a fool to use your cloak when you are close to them because that is the only thing other than the kill screen that would alert a solitary player of your presence. Two players? EITHER: OHK the first -> second player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second, OR: drop 1-2 RE and OHK them both. Three players? EITHER: Drop 1-2 REs and OHK them all, OR: OHK the first -> second and third player starts to react because they heard your shotgun/knives -> OHK the second -> use superior speed and small hit box to engage in a fire fight with the third or run away, OR: pull back -> wait for one of them to split from the group -> see steps for single player engagement. Don't get me wrong here: there is still skill in delivering the OHK. However, the completely unbalanced ewar tips engagements massively in the scout's favour. Just looked at the ewar numbers of scout suits and realized that a proto amarr scout running two complex precision modes cannot see a gal scout running two complex dampeners, so running scout suit isn't even an effective counter to scout ewar.
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1292	Posted - 2014.11.16 17:46:00 - [58] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9219	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:06:00 - [59] - Quote For a little perspective, I'm someone who had played with scouts during precloak, when cloaks were first released, and currently an someone who respec'd into just Amarr scouts with 43M SP. Honestly scout gameplay is the most fun it had ever been for me. The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. There's more risk reward choices with whether I want to patrol my own base cloaked or not because of scan range. Same with when I'm hacking. Also risk reward deciding how early I want to decloak because it does take time. Makes scout play a lit mute fun and rewarding in my opinion. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 279	Posted - 2014.11.16 18:17:00 - [60] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The cloak is more of a transpotation tool rather than a killing tool, as it was intended. Agreed. Cloak should aid in escape and evade and provide a means by which to move from cover to cover or cross open terrain. I can't imagine that Cloak was ever intended to be a platform from which to launch a frontal assault.



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