DUST Search - The scout nerf.. are you serious?

Thang Bausch wrote:

Zindorak wrote:

Thang Bausch wrote:

Zindorak wrote:

People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness.
It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much

Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness.

Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game

This is the ONLY effective counter to a scout suit's ewar. The heavy suit's high HP and damage resistance has huge number of counters to it when running a HMG:
- plasma cannon on any suit except a logi suit (on a commando this is an amazing counter)
- any heavy suit with a HMG
- any non-heavy suit with a range weapon out of a HMG's range (assuming
- shotgun/knives on a scout suit
- shotgun on any assault or commando suit
- REs on any suit

And a scout's ewar has only one effective counter:
- a squad member on each squad doing nothing but visually looking for a scout, which given the high HP of a tanked scout in many circumstances means them dying before they take out the scout and warning the squad members so they hopefully finish him off before he kills another squad member.

No tactic should have such limited counters. Ewar imbalance is more unbalanced than redline sniping. At least when someone redline snipes, I can counter snipe, or forge snipe. That is too few counters but it is still better than scout ewar.

Scouts should have to choose between having HP or being invisible. Currently they can have the best of both worlds. There are different ways of balancing this, but nerfing the cloak is not one of them.

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Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1353	Posted - 2014.11.17 10:52:00 - [91] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. If CCP would consolidate these damned updates instead of referring to outdated posts then I could give a more concise answer. I have too much of a life outside the game to go sifting trough dozens of posts. Was making a statement, not asking a question. Are we going to really split hairs about answering a post and replying to it? does anybody really care? Either way its irrelevant. All I meant is I can't confirm or deny what you stated because I don't have the tools or resources to hand. Frankly I don't give a damn. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1290	Posted - 2014.11.17 11:02:00 - [92] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: yes I was.. but after all the nerfs to compensate for the cloak.. no longer possible.. too many proto one shotters to go back... I have no scans! wtf good is a scout with no scans? If you or anyone else thinks you are a better scout that doesnt need a cloak, just lol.. see me in the game bish So your answer is to use no cloak... because you know damn well to use the cloak now.. is... just dumb... like you So you are still good enough to kill these other guys but your suit is unplayable? I think there may be a contradiction in there, not sure, but I am suspicious. Because, that's why.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1767	Posted - 2014.11.17 11:09:00 - [93] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I've been a Scout since 1.2 The delay sounds fine for me. If only it worked on most of the weapons scouts can carry. If CCP would consolidate these damned updates instead of referring to outdated posts then I could give a more concise answer. I have too much of a life outside the game to go sifting trough dozens of posts. Was making a statement, not asking a question. Are we going to really split hairs about answering a post and replying to it? does anybody really care? Either way its irrelevant. All I meant is I can't confirm or deny what you stated because I don't have the tools or resources to hand. Frankly I don't give a damn. Wasn't splitting hairs, was just letting you know I didn't expect you to say anything in response because I was making a statement and I don't need you to confirm anything because I've tested myself already. All you got to do is tap the trigger after switching to your weapon and it'll fire; I didn't test Caldari weapons because charge-up and lock-on require the trigger to be held. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1298	Posted - 2014.11.17 12:20:00 - [94] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness?!? I don't call having to have someone on your squad do nothing but look out for scouts situational awareness. Yes the scout should be feared like any other suit in the game This is the ONLY effective counter to a scout suit's ewar. The heavy suit's high HP and damage resistance has huge number of counters to it when running a HMG: - plasma cannon on any suit except a logi suit (on a commando this is an amazing counter) - any heavy suit with a HMG - any non-heavy suit with a range weapon out of a HMG's range (assuming - shotgun/knives on a scout suit - shotgun on any assault or commando suit - REs on any suit And a scout's ewar has only one effective counter: - a squad member on each squad doing nothing but visually looking for a scout, which given the high HP of a tanked scout in many circumstances means them dying before they take out the scout and warning the squad members so they hopefully finish him off before he kills another squad member. No tactic should have such limited counters. Ewar imbalance is more unbalanced than redline sniping. At least when someone redline snipes, I can counter snipe, or forge snipe. That is too few counters but it is still better than scout ewar. Scouts should have to choose between having HP or being invisible. Currently they can have the best of both worlds. There are different ways of balancing this, but nerfing the cloak is not one of them. How? I can only get 390ehp with 2 damps on my gal scout. But i see 600ehp cal and gal scout everywhere Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Morathi III New Eden Musketeers 243	Posted - 2014.11.17 16:04:00 - [95] - Quote Dengru wrote: Nearly everyone that has killed me with a shotgun cloak combo is a terrible player that wasn't able to do it before those came out. Overnight all you scrubs popped up with shotguns, good riddens! Yup, still playing sometimes? need to squad up On topic, the nerf both on Ewar & cloak was needed French Canadian Scrubs scout
Aramis Madrigal Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 320	Posted - 2014.11.17 16:12:00 - [96] - Quote I don't really mind the change. It forces an interesting choice on players. You can drop cloak in anticipation of firing or you can stay invisible, but might not be ready to engage. The delay is small enough that it easy to compensate for, but you actually have to think about it a little bit. -Aramis
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 920	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:30:00 - [97] - Quote Well, since 1.9 deployed I have regularly been shotgunned by scouts whilst they are still cloaked so I say it's not enough (lol), but it's probably just bad lag yet again. Yep
FIRSTNAME- lastname Direct Action Resources 11	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:32:00 - [98] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart i dont know what you mean by waiting 5 seconds.... (i can shoot at about .5 sec after uncloaking. but lets keep this on the down low.) C15-A Sniper Rifle... I'm Coming for you! To Join Direct Action Resources go to:http://www.directactionresources.com/
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 680	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:33:00 - [99] - Quote The clack is wack anyways. Tumblr
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5888	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:49:00 - [100] - Quote The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2092	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:52:00 - [101] - Quote Zindorak wrote: People are crying because they don't have a thing called Situational Awareness. It's unfortunate. Scouts shouldn't have been nerfed this much Situational awareness of invisible people /roll eyes Invisible people who can 1-2HK you almost while still invisible is not balanced. Maybe lrn2plan. Then you can kill the straggler who doesn't see you, or flank a squad of engaged guys. Decloaking in front of people and trying to blap them w/ you shotty doesn't work no more. Sorry. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 294	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:53:00 - [102] - Quote Good players overcome obstacles. Boo-*******-hoo. Got Gud. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God AQUPI
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5888	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:59:00 - [103] - Quote Im a SCOUT too. You people can do what i do! thats it. I almost never use the cloak anymore as i used to but its STILL a useful tool to have there equipped. For example an incoming squad of people you cant defeat (like 3 sentinels and 3 logis, you should know better) or while running out in the open... OR just not equippit at all, E-war is more than enough to b a good scout. Still, i AGREE the cloak nerf is a over nerf The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Ku Shala The Generals 1016	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:02:00 - [104] - Quote scouts are nowhere near the most nerfed remember cal logi laser assaults :D *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Feldt-Grace Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company 28	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:53:00 - [105] - Quote Who is that Problem? I play my Winmatar Scout without Cloak~ Splinter Cell Chaos Theory x Thief <3 TRANS-AM! Gundam, DUST and more Gameplays
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 995	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:16:00 - [106] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Current scouts and previous broken mechanics made a lot of people leave. I wonder how many noobs you invisibly shot in the back stuck around and continued playing... Lol I've seen your name around and only just realised what it means. Or more to the point....how it reads. LMAO nice one. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 995	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:25:00 - [107] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: The clack is wack anyways. Wack-a-clacker Maybe CCP should just be done with it and remove clacks from the game - gotta be easier, then again I'm biased coz I used the stupid thing about ten times after it came out and said "nah". You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3142	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:27:00 - [108] - Quote How dare there be a downside to being invisible! rabble rabble rabble
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1805	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:31:00 - [109] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. One of them needs to work first. The only weapons affected by it are the Caldari weapons because they require charge/lock-on and all the extended decloaking time does is give someone with the other weapons that's smart enough to tap R1 more time to shoot while cloaked. Kills:21, Deaths:5, KDR: time for a smoke. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 347	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:33:00 - [110] - Quote How has this thread not just died off? I just have to wait... 99% of the intelligence is now gone... just wait till they forget how to breathe... *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 995	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:35:00 - [111] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: How has this thread not just died off? I just have to wait... 99% of the intelligence is now gone... just wait till they forget how to breathe... sorry my fault - been away for a few days You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 347	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:35:00 - [112] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. One of them needs to work first. The only weapons affected by it are the Caldari weapons because they require charge/lock-on and all the extended decloaking time does is give someone with the other weapons that's smart enough to tap R1 more time to shoot while cloaked. WHy are we still arguing this? I use Caldari weapons so yeah.... I think it may need a nerf, but the fire from cloak thing... *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:57:00 - [113] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You could play with out the cloak. I (and many others) don't use it. Scouts managed just fine when the cloak didn't even exist. Anyway, go back to preventing forest fires. I'm sure that's more fun than DUST. I agree scouts never needed cloaking to begin with. I cant see them anyway when they are cloaked and running. I tried all sorts of setting on my tv just to try and be able to see the shimmer but nothing works. So either make a cloaked scout having a outline thats running or just get rid of it entirly.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1805	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:10:00 - [114] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Thumb Green wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The thing is : We have now 2 new things that affect negatively the cloak A 2 second (approx) DELAY while decloaking A 3 second (approx) delay while changing to a weapon/item One of them needs to be removed. One of them needs to work first. The only weapons affected by it are the Caldari weapons because they require charge/lock-on and all the extended decloaking time does is give someone with the other weapons that's smart enough to tap R1 more time to shoot while cloaked. WHy are we still arguing this? I use Caldari weapons so yeah.... I think it may need a nerf, but the fire from cloak thing... I'm not arguing anything here, I'm stating a fact. Caldari weapons are the only ones that can't fire while cloaked (unless they fixed it so the other ones can't either, in the past few of days?). It's a huge issue because that's why the cloak was "nerfed" in the first place (scan reduction does work as far as I know, so there's one thing that worked but that was never really an issue). Kills:21, Deaths:5, KDR: time for a smoke. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 170	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:16:00 - [115] - Quote Im the BEST scout in DUST bishes.. Before the cloak came out.. and AFTER .. now eat a phatty forum warriors.. never heard of ANY of you.. lol
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2393	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:32:00 - [116] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart If the class was doing fine before the cloak even existed, I'm sure it will survive with a needed cloak now. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 115	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:32:00 - [117] - Quote People on this thread talking about scouts when you see them on the battlefield rocking 900+ HP suits, smh.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.- Retired for Love of the Game
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 35	Posted - 2015.01.01 10:13:00 - [118] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The scouts have taken nerf after nerf .. But making me wait 5 seconds before I can shoot or anything else after using cloak is unacceptable and unplayable.. If your goal was to kill this class, then congratulations.. I've been here since Closed Beta and have suffered many stupid nerfs but this is the worst by far. Who's idea was this anyways? Call of Booty crowd that runs this game now? mindless assault drones? First, The problem with being able to shoot from inside cloak was NEVER MORE THAN A VISUAL LAG GLITCH.. which STILL remains the exact same.. But now I have to wait 5 seconds for you to NOT SEE ME pull out my shotty.. This is a scout ending and incredibly STUPID thing to do to my class.. O well, I knew this type of insanity was in the pipeline, but I wont be here to tolerate it.. Im giving up my 40 million SP's and my character because its just downright UNPLAYABLE now.. thanks CCP. Tryhard call of booty forum warriors need to realize one thing.. Scouts are not OP.. they are simply better players than you.. Fast twitch players enjoy mobility and will sacrifice just about anything to get it.. Pure and simple.. sorry to break the truth.. Anyways, peace out DUST.. you broke my heart They should never pick up any ideas from forum kids, 90% of them even don't able to think logically... o7 mate. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Nestil SWARMYARD 189	Posted - 2015.01.01 10:37:00 - [119] - Quote I'm not using the cloak often, mostly only when I have to face pubstompers and the map don't let me sneak upon them without the cloak. but I think it would be nice if it had a function (maybe a button to press) were it would give you your scanrange back for a few seconds (maybe for the cost of a big chunk of the cloak-meter...or that you can't decloak for 5 seconds after you pressed that button) so I can flee or evade the attackers behind me better after I killed one of their squadmates in their 6 man gang r8pe squad. atm I have to run blindly away from them without knowing if they know which route I took or if they know my current direction...turning simply around could be an option but results most times in a storm of RR/ACR/BrAR bullets...
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:10:00 - [120] - Quote dzizur wrote: that's odd, whenever I fit a cloak to my scout suit I feel like i'm gimping it.. Me too. That's why i quit using it. The cloak was a gimick anyway. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?



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