There are a few, just ask the players

That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks
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How come I have never seen anything like this once in all the time I have played Dust514/Beta and Uprising?

That is information that is available to players in many other games and we Mercs have asked for it and never gotten even the decency of a reply. As in, we have begged for this, simply because it would make some of the freaking flame wars on the forums less toxic.

@CCP Rattiti, what is going on here? Is this real information or a troll? Is this a one time, gotcha share are we going to be able to see it without it needing to be used in a forum as a counter to a complaint?

Grrr, storming off to bed since you are dealing with shutdown.

And I apologize in advance if this upsets you. But you have no idea how seeing this information upsets me.

I am not trolling, I am not ranting at you CCP Rattiti. But this is truly upsetting.

KR

Why, I have been sharing more and more data, and I am working on a PC meta devblog. This is just the tip of the iceberg in information and data sharing.

lol, isn't the Incubus an AV platform, hence the lack of kills. Both ADS's can survive 3 swarms if fit properly and all ADS can avoid getting hit with 3 swarms if piloted properly.

If the Python is viable in PC, even though Swarms are omg so OP, by proxy the Incubus is fine, especially with the ROF issue fixed in the last balance hotfix. This is widely reported by players.

I may make a separate thread about this. Rattati are you saying then that assault dropships are being balanced around their killing effectiveness in PC as a solo gunship, rather than their actual intended role as a dropship? If this is the case then you should create a vehicle called a gunship and use it as such and balance dropships around the dropship role.

The dropships role is to carry a squad of troops into and out of contested, or soon to be contested points while providing limited fire support. Dropping them in key positions that can turn the tide of battle or prevent the loss of a position. This strategy is not used in PC, as it takes too many boots off the ground and makes them very vulnerable and possibly wasted assets. You will find gunship ads aloy more in pc because that is really the only viable way to use them, but its not the true role of a dropship, if balanced around a gunship it looses its qualities as a dropship.

This swarm change for instance, a smart pilot will run the second a volley hits the ship. Meaning that if he was on approach for pick up the ground team is now stranded, because of one swarm launcher. In the dropships description, extraction under "heavy fire" is listed as an atribute of the dropship, getting troops out and redeploying them elsewhere. It stands to reason that the dropship would be able to take some hits so as to preform its role.

Not everyone agrees with me, but the dropship is suppose to be a logistical ship with enough fire power to suppress hostiles long enough for the shock troops to get into a position. Dropships are not gunships and should not be treated or balanced as such.

I'm not saying this with an angry tone, more of a concerned one.

This is exactly what should happen. Dropships are troop transport vehicles not gunships. They need a buff so they can take a little more damage, but nothing crazy lest we get skytanks.

It needs a form of landing gear for touch and go troop deployment..

Both ADS's can survive 3 swarms if fit properly and all ADS can avoid getting hit with 3 swarms if piloted properly.

If the Python is viable in PC, even though Swarms are omg so OP, by proxy the Incubus is fine, especially with the ROF issue fixed in the last balance hotfix. This is widely reported by players.

So instead of doing the logical thing (look at missile and Python inbalances) you instead nerf dropships as a whole, over buff AV, and call it a day. Im glad you think flying up the whole game is somehow engaging, especially when swarms outpace you at almost all times because an afterburner somehow doesn't up your max speed.

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Please stay on topic Ratatti, insread of coming here posting irrelevant stats. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten the class as to why there is virtually no anti shield AV. That couldn't possibly factor into your Python dominance data..nooooo.

I may make a separate thread about this. Rattati are you saying then that assault dropships are being balanced around their killing effectiveness in PC as a solo gunship, rather than their actual intended role as a dropship? If this is the case then you should create a vehicle called a gunship and use it as such and balance dropships around the dropship role.

The dropships role is to carry a squad of troops into and out of contested, or soon to be contested points while providing limited fire support. Dropping them in key positions that can turn the tide of battle or prevent the loss of a position. This strategy is not used in PC, as it takes too many boots off the ground and makes them very vulnerable and possibly wasted assets. You will find gunship ads aloy more in pc because that is really the only viable way to use them, but its not the true role of a dropship, if balanced around a gunship it looses its qualities as a dropship.

This swarm change for instance, a smart pilot will run the second a volley hits the ship. Meaning that if he was on approach for pick up the ground team is now stranded, because of one swarm launcher. In the dropships description, extraction under "heavy fire" is listed as an atribute of the dropship, getting troops out and redeploying them elsewhere. It stands to reason that the dropship would be able to take some hits so as to preform its role.

Not everyone agrees with me, but the dropship is suppose to be a logistical ship with enough fire power to suppress hostiles long enough for the shock troops to get into a position. Dropships are not gunships and should not be treated or balanced as such.

I'm not saying this with an angry tone, more of a concerned one.

Apart from the fact that 90% of Dust doesn't do PC, about 100% of PC matches would rather have forge guns on rooftops than swarms, and Pc is widley recognized as a broken game mechanic things have impoved by proxy lol means absolutely nothing. I can use that to justify any thing.

The feedback on ROF by all incubus pilots was thats its better than before (as in not shooting less rounds than a militia turret any more'' but still crap. Got to call you out on this one, because the 'widley reported claim' is a fallacy.

Same as a fit ADS can tank three swars, certainly not three proto swarms, and my incubus has as much HP as one can possible fit on it. The math has been done to death, and you are just plain wrong.

I think I will make a thread about this while I'm waiting for 1.9 to download. I don't want dropships to be skytanks, but rather skysharks. They should be able to take a decent beating so they can support their crew but shouldn't have the fire power to decimate entire squads. Though they should have enough firepower to be a legitimate threat, at least enough of a threat to put an enemy squad on the defensive so the dropships squad isn't decimated as they hit the ground. Its a very delecate balance but dropships should be the poster boy for teamwork.

I usually use the Grimsnes, and I assure you, it's not expensive, and I haven't poured plenty of skill points in it. In the right hands, pilots can fly like butterfly and sting like a bee, and for every Swarm Launcher pulled into the field, you make way for Infantry to come in, stop him, or do other stuff.

Soooo get gud? Drop off troops and head back elsewhere like a true dropship?

I don't even try to engage. Just fly my fat Incubus away. Going full speed away, swarms catch up and kill me each time.

Thanks Ratatti, you've made this game exceptionally engaging

Unless I have an Afterburner active and rush for the ceiling, im ****** (I run AB on all but test fits btw, and it no longer helps half the time) Sometimes I wonder why I quit, then I play a couple matches and it all comes back to me. CCP has no idea how to balance AV vs Vehicles, and likely never will.

I usually fly in a grimsnes as well, and I can get away from swarms just fine. Incubus is faster and accelerates quicker, Im not sure what youre doing wrong, but I think the "get gud" sentiment is about right. :\

Its only when Im screwing around with lots of swarmers and forge gunners that I ever get shot down, and lets not pretend that thats the AV'ers choice, it was mine. I control the engagement and I chose to fight them. Any dropship that is being shot down is making a choice to engage in something risky.

That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks

Kills
Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun
Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher
Weapons, Light, Combat Rifles, Prototype, Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle
Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Six Kin Burst Heavy Machine Gun
Weapons, Light, Rail Rifles, Prototype, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle

Kills by Actor(Pawn) and Weapon
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ak.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel gk.0& Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0&Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
Vehicles, Dropships, Assault, Python& Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher
Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0& Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ck.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Vehicles, Heavy Attack Vehicles, Standard, Gunnlogi&Turrets, Railgun, Large, Prototype, 80GJ Particle Cannon

I don't even try to engage. Just fly my fat Incubus away. Going full speed away, swarms catch up and kill me each time.

Thanks Ratatti, you've made this game exceptionally engaging

Unless I have an Afterburner active and rush for the ceiling, im ****** (I run AB on all but test fits btw, and it no longer helps half the time) Sometimes I wonder why I quit, then I play a couple matches and it all comes back to me. CCP has no idea how to balance AV vs Vehicles, and likely never will.

Sweet I'm glad I made the right choice getting Proto swarms instead of forge gun

I may make a separate thread about this. Rattati are you saying then that assault dropships are being balanced around their killing effectiveness in PC as a solo gunship, rather than their actual intended role as a dropship? If this is the case then you should create a vehicle called a gunship and use it as such and balance dropships around the dropship role.

The dropships role is to carry a squad of troops into and out of contested, or soon to be contested points while providing limited fire support. Dropping them in key positions that can turn the tide of battle or prevent the loss of a position. This strategy is not used in PC, as it takes too many boots off the ground and makes them very vulnerable and possibly wasted assets. You will find gunship ads aloy more in pc because that is really the only viable way to use them, but its not the true role of a dropship, if balanced around a gunship it looses its qualities as a dropship.

This swarm change for instance, a smart pilot will run the second a volley hits the ship. Meaning that if he was on approach for pick up the ground team is now stranded, because of one swarm launcher. In the dropships description, extraction under "heavy fire" is listed as an atribute of the dropship, getting troops out and redeploying them elsewhere. It stands to reason that the dropship would be able to take some hits so as to preform its role.

Not everyone agrees with me, but the dropship is suppose to be a logistical ship with enough fire power to suppress hostiles long enough for the shock troops to get into a position. Dropships are not gunships and should not be treated or balanced as such.

I'm not saying this with an angry tone, more of a concerned one.

Maybe this will finally slow down the spam of drop ships in PC and stop being a factor of who wins just because they brought more drop ships.

wow 70 mill. you should have a forge gun suit to take down the DS. that's what a vet would do

Apart from the fact that 90% of Dust doesn't do PC, about 100% of PC matches would rather have forge guns on rooftops than swarms, and Pc is widley recognized as a broken game mechanic things have impoved by proxy lol means absolutely nothing. I can use that to justify any thing.

The feedback on ROF by all incubus pilots was thats its better than before (as in not shooting less rounds than a militia turret any more'' but still crap. Got to call you out on this one, because the 'widley reported claim' is a fallacy.

Same as a fit ADS can tank three swars, certainly not three proto swarms, and my incubus has as much HP as one can possible fit on it. The math has been done to death, and you are just plain wrong.

Oh, I thought militia swarms were the problem.