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Thoughts welcome, none of this is set in stone, but shaking up the meta is absolutely necessary every once in a while

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CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear Players,

New Orbital Strikes
Solo Flux - Very low WP, low impact, pre-hit that Objective you are going after, or rooftop camper
Solo Precision Strike - Low WP, tiny radius to blap a Tank or solo sniper, but if he moves you miss.
Squad Flux - Medium WP, Huge radius, resetbutton, eliminate all rooftop uplinks and deter spam. Logis will have to spawn in instead of slaying in Sentinels after deploying the early batch
Squad Precision Strike - High WP, The one we have, lowered WP, lowered radius
Squad Focused Strike - Very high WP, targets the enemy MCC for massive damage, go all out chasing that strike from second one, or turn a clone-out defeat into a narrow victory by lancing the MCC in the last seconds.


Thoughts welcome, none of this is set in stone, but shaking up the meta is absolutely necessary every once in a while

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• You need to be very carful balancing the solo OB. Too low WP will result in a lot of Spam, making the game miserable for everyone. Too high WP and you will loose the entire tactical aspect for solo people.
(sh*t, rooftop sniper... I better call down my.. Ehhh, no... Just need to kill a couple of more dudes first)


• Solo OB vs Squad OB: I guess solo OB will not be available for non-squad-leader members, as this would drain their common pool. This might be a deterrent for new players to run in squads.
(Solo new player: Ohhh, cool, I can drop nukes from the sky... What's this? Squad OBs.... Better jump in a squad... **Squading up** where the hell are my OBs?... **dropping squad**)


• Serious discrepancy in strategy between pub matches and FW. Since the FW OB works fundamentally different, and warbarge OBs were removed in FW, suddenly there are a lot of things you can't do. No calling down EMP at will, no blapping of MCC etc. New players will be confused when they "take the next step".


• On the flip side of the comment above, IF the same OB mechanics were introduced in FW, it would totally marginalize the EVE OBs and render them meaningless, which would be a shame...

• At least initially, only introduce EMP and Laser strikes for squads and make the WP scale as proposed (EMP < Hybrid < Laser). This alone will open up a lot of strategies in pubs.


• Adjust the time required for EVE pilots to stay connected to the district to drop different types of OBs, with similar scaling as above (EMP < Hybrid < Laser). This will encourage EVE pilots to create a more "rounded" fit rather that just 8 lasers, since they will be able to drop OBs more often. The mechanics will also be very similar to the pubs.


• After the two above are introduced and tested live, introduce the small "solo" OB. These should preferably not be based on WP, but another mechanic which can coincide with the other type of OB. The solo OBs can also be deployed in a squad by any member as it won't affect the squad WP pool. This can also be safely introduced in FW.

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Kaze Eyrou wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

It would be a pinpoint strike, anywhere, not only MCC. Waste it on a single tank if you want, probably miss him if you do, rather than do obscene MCC damage and potentially win the match.

Story time!

Back in closed beta, I had the chance to be a squad leader in a decent group. We managed to get an Orbital Strike. Without much information on the game, I did some tactical thinking: "What would happen if I used this on the MCC?"

I dropped it and using my Sniper Rifle, I watched as some of the shots did no damage. That sucks. We lost the match; I gained some valuable intel.

However, I also noticed that some of the shots missed the MCC entirely.

Over the course of the game, if we happened to find snipers on the top of the MCC, it was common practice to try and get them off using a Precision Strike (note: this was before the time of the ADS too). But over the course of time, I noticed it was very difficult to target the MCC and sometimes very easy to miss.

MCC snipers have virtually been eliminated due to the range nerf but I wanted to highlight the fact that the MCC is hard to hit with a Precision Strike. Could this potentially carry over to the Squad Focused Strike (which will probably be nicknamed the "MCC strike")?

I want to put forth a solution to this. A lock-on system.

Now before you think that this strike will be able to lock-on to vehicles or infantry, you would be dead wrong and I would hate to see something like that in place. The lock-on system would work solely with the enemy MCC. We can use an in-game asset as well to illustrate the MCC as a possible lock-on target: the Attack squad order animation. With this, the squad leader could highlight the MCC, the cursor would snap to it when it gets close, and press X to bring in the rain.

Otherwise, we'd hear complaints about a very high WP strike being accused of being RNG because mercs are missing their strike by 100 meters due to a poor relationship between a map cursor and a pseudo 2-D map.

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EDIT:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Until we get that "one per equipment category" setting I want

Not sure how I feel about this.

Can you elaborate on your intention with this?

If I'm interpreting this right, that means "1 equipment type at a time". If I had R-9 Uplinks in 1 equipment slot, deployed both of them, and then tried to lay down a N/11 Flux Uplink, both R-9s pop as my N/11 goes active.

Using the nanohive example from before, I lay down a Ishukone Nanohive down for people to get ammo. But then I lay down a Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive, the Ishukone pops.

Finally, this is one nobody will bring up as only I and a very select few having these on our suits: Proxy Mines.

I lay down minefields and entrances that vehicles frequent. This will easily kill LAVs and will either kill or severely injure tanks. From my understanding, I lay down my 4 Proximity Mines. But the moment I lay down a F/49 Proximity Mine, those 4 standard Proxies disappear.

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CCP Rattati wrote:

this was more tongue in cheek, sorry. Just so you all know that equipment spam was never meant to be a legitimate tactic. Cross already used his hotline to "discuss" this idea/jab . I just want less spam, more quality, less quantity.

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CCP Rattati wrote:

this was more tongue in cheek, sorry. Just so you all know that equipment spam was never meant to be a legitimate tactic. Cross already used his hotline to "discuss" this idea/jab . I just want less spam, more quality, less quantity.

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CCP Rattati wrote:

Kaze Eyrou wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

It would be a pinpoint strike, anywhere, not only MCC. Waste it on a single tank if you want, probably miss him if you do, rather than do obscene MCC damage and potentially win the match.

Story time!

Back in closed beta, I had the chance to be a squad leader in a decent group. We managed to get an Orbital Strike. Without much information on the game, I did some tactical thinking: "What would happen if I used this on the MCC?"

I dropped it and using my Sniper Rifle, I watched as some of the shots did no damage. That sucks. We lost the match; I gained some valuable intel.

However, I also noticed that some of the shots missed the MCC entirely.

Over the course of the game, if we happened to find snipers on the top of the MCC, it was common practice to try and get them off using a Precision Strike (note: this was before the time of the ADS too). But over the course of time, I noticed it was very difficult to target the MCC and sometimes very easy to miss.

MCC snipers have virtually been eliminated due to the range nerf but I wanted to highlight the fact that the MCC is hard to hit with a Precision Strike. Could this potentially carry over to the Squad Focused Strike (which will probably be nicknamed the "MCC strike")?

I want to put forth a solution to this. A lock-on system.

Now before you think that this strike will be able to lock-on to vehicles or infantry, you would be dead wrong and I would hate to see something like that in place. The lock-on system would work solely with the enemy MCC. We can use an in-game asset as well to illustrate the MCC as a possible lock-on target: the Attack squad order animation. With this, the squad leader could highlight the MCC, the cursor would snap to it when it gets close, and press X to bring in the rain.

Otherwise, we'd hear complaints about a very high WP strike being accused of being RNG because mercs are missing their strike by 100 meters due to a poor relationship between a map cursor and a pseudo 2-D map.

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EDIT:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Until we get that "one per equipment category" setting I want

Not sure how I feel about this.

Can you elaborate on your intention with this?

If I'm interpreting this right, that means "1 equipment type at a time". If I had R-9 Uplinks in 1 equipment slot, deployed both of them, and then tried to lay down a N/11 Flux Uplink, both R-9s pop as my N/11 goes active.

Using the nanohive example from before, I lay down a Ishukone Nanohive down for people to get ammo. But then I lay down a Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive, the Ishukone pops.

Finally, this is one nobody will bring up as only I and a very select few having these on our suits: Proxy Mines.

I lay down minefields and entrances that vehicles frequent. This will easily kill LAVs and will either kill or severely injure tanks. From my understanding, I lay down my 4 Proximity Mines. But the moment I lay down a F/49 Proximity Mine, those 4 standard Proxies disappear.

this was more tongue in cheek, sorry. Just so you all know that equipment spam was never meant to be a legitimate tactic. Cross already used his hotline to "discuss" this idea/jab . I just want less spam, more quality, less quantity.

See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)

SponkSponkSponk wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

this was more tongue in cheek, sorry. Just so you all know that equipment spam was never meant to be a legitimate tactic. Cross already used his hotline to "discuss" this idea/jab . I just want less spam, more quality, less quantity.

Then you should be concentrating on EMP war barge strikes first.

See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)

Vell0cet wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

this was more tongue in cheek, sorry. Just so you all know that equipment spam was never meant to be a legitimate tactic. Cross already used his hotline to "discuss" this idea/jab . I just want less spam, more quality, less quantity.

Give each suit an "equipment bandwidth" stat like drones in EVE. Have a logi suit with high bandwidth and you can deploy a bunch of stuff. Swap out to a scout suit and all but the most recent equipment (up to the scout's lower bandwidth capacity) will pop. This would limit spam and probably significantly improve performance.

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CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear Players,

rooftop camping, equipment spam, and skirmish game modes are widely reported as less enjoyable gameplay than it could be.

We have been discussing internally and with the CPM, and before we start nerfing gameplay, we want to create "play - counterplay" situations. We also want to reuse existing game mechanics and we also want to create more "action packed" gameplay for solo and new players.

These are our ideas, not yet fully technically evaluated but in the realm of possibility:

New Orbital Strikes
Solo Flux - Very low WP, low impact, pre-hit that Objective you are going after, or rooftop camper
Solo Precision Strike - Low WP, tiny radius to blap a Tank or solo sniper, but if he moves you miss.
Squad Flux - Medium WP, Huge radius, resetbutton, eliminate all rooftop uplinks and deter spam. Logis will have to spawn in instead of slaying in Sentinels after deploying the early batch
Squad Precision Strike - High WP, The one we have, lowered WP, lowered radius
Squad Focused Strike - Very high WP, targets the enemy MCC for massive damage, go all out chasing that strike from second one, or turn a clone-out defeat into a narrow victory by lancing the MCC in the last seconds.

Now we also have a fun strategic element, do you progress up to the harder WP Strikes, or "spam" the lower ones. Not having only one choice will provide massive changes in gameplay.

On top of that, lower signature profiles of equipment based on tier. Want to hide that Uplink, use a proto type as normal passive scans won't see it. EWAR will be much more about intel than cloaked scout slayers.

What about spy uplinks, that you can't spawn on, but give a passive scan of various precision and radius?

Combined with improved scanners, the predictability of the battlefield will be much less, much more focus on quality, not quantity. That uplink farm won't survive.


Thoughts welcome, none of this is set in stone, but shaking up the meta is absolutely necessary every once in a while

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