For Gallente Assault, you get bonuses to hipfire dispersion and kick - ideal for the AR. For Amarr Assault you get reduction in heat build up - ideal for the scramber and laser rifles. So, which weapon do you prefer? Use the weapon that is paired with the suit, and accept the other features of the suit. I, personally, hate heat build up so I don't use laser and scramber rifles at all. Others hate dispersion, so they pick the Amarr. If your choice is based on passive reps, then pick the one you like better.

In other words - pick the suit that matches your preferences and playstyle instead of complaining

Dear players

we have been discussing this topic on and off for quite a while, especially concerning shield tanking, and the inherent need to always use a low slot to have "any" armor reps, which is bad for shield tanking, and quite hampering for racial fitting styles.

We are not proposing this, but would like to get your opinions on the general idea that we have been formulating (particularly with CPM Logi and Commando threads), and it ties well into empowering Logis and Commandos on top.

Without further ado:

Gallente
Commando3
Logi3
Assault2.5
Sentinel2
Scout1.5

Minmatar
Commando2.5
Logi2.5
Assault2
Sentinel1.5
Scout1

marr
Commando2.5
Logi2.5
Assault2
Sentinel1.5
Scout1

Caldari
Commando2
Logi2
Assault1.5
Sentinel1
Scout0.5

I like it partly because it is silent nerf to Repairing Tool with brings tons of free WP without any risks, and I dislike it because it is boost Caldari in way how they not suppose to be boost, it against racial bonuses. So actually I have mixed feelings. It's difficult to not have armor rep and at the same point fun because of it, right? We want to play challenging game or easy one?

I understand that you want 'convice' players to use biotics more often by this, but people that want to use them today are using them today. There is just small problems with skill requirements applied to biotics for those who thinking about skilling them, with create rift between MLT and PRO versions, and so if someone is considering using MLT biotic or another armor plate or repair module he prefer not to use biotic.. could you focus on problem, and not on something that is the result of it?

I think that if you really wanted to gave some passive rep ability to Logi and Commando suits, you should gave them it by applying them to Nanohives - it would not make sentinel even more stronger that they actually is.
In my opinion Commando is not meant to be solo wolf, he ave that big signature for a reason, he suppose to stick to squad and logi with rep tool, and in return he should give bonuses to players in his proximity same as scouts with high passive scanning range, but different like:
- Caldari Commando should give bonus to shield regen or he should cut shield deley timers.
- Amarr Commando should give bonuses to resistance.
- Gallente Comm.. to armor rep. etc.

To proposed numbers specifically.. What does it meany to have 2AR/S on Gallente Sentinel?! With one usually have something between 600-1000 armor points? It is 300 to 500 seconds to fully repair critical damage, so that from 5 to 8 minutes while sentinel life spam(especially on ambush) is way much more sorter then 1 minute. 2AR/S will look different when skill will apply to this, but it seems to me a bit funny.

In EVE when someone do not have armor rep he is flying around with hat damaged armor or structures until he dock on station and fix it, or someone will fix it for him with remote modules, drones - no one make problem because of this and force CCP to do some mechanic changes.

edit: don't you even think about basics suit at this point, ok?

I had
You are increasing the armor repair.
Let's do the same thing, but with shield, don't we ?

Because at the moment (without this change)
Galassault Gk.0 with 3 armor repair is getting ~30.5HP/s armor
Calassault Ck.0 with 1 energizers, 2 regu (same number of slots) is getting ~50HP/s shield regen + 2,3sec shield regulator

BUT
- Armor tankers can have more and more armor (for example : ~700HP armor against 530 shield to have the same slots)
- Armor is the second part of life (there are first the shield)
- A flux and the shield is gone

For me, an armor repair increasing is good, but do the same with shield

My proposal for assaults
- Amarr : 20HP/s
- Gallente : 20HP/s
- Minma : 30HP/s
- Caldari : 35 or 40HP/s

You didn't list a single negative for armor you just listed the negatives for shield which is completely bias.

1. It takes three modules to even get to where your suit has built in shield regen
2. Anyone who Plate stacks their Gallente Assault is a fool that's waiting to get themselves insta-popped.
3. Strafing penalties of armor
4. Movement penalty of armor.
5. Sprinting speed of armor
6. WIth a complex Energizer and a Caldari suit with the rest of the highs being shield extenders you are getting about 600 shields, more than my Prototype Gallente suit. With might I add, the over 50 shield regen.
7.A Gallente Assault with three armor repairs will not have more than 600 armor and then realistically even less because proper Gallente assaults wouldn't stack two complex armor plates in their last two low slots to slow them down to base commando level.
8. Gallente and Amarr have half the shield regeneration rate of Caldari which starts at 30 hp/s, the previous two, 15 hp/s (for assaults)

I had
You are increasing the armor repair.
Let's do the same thing, but with shield, don't we ?

Because at the moment (without this change)
Galassault Gk.0 with 3 armor repair is getting ~30.5HP/s armor
Calassault Ck.0 with 1 energizers, 2 regu (same number of slots) is getting ~50HP/s shield regen + 2,3sec shield regulator

BUT
- Armor tankers can have more and more armor (for example : ~700HP armor against 530 shield to have the same slots)

- Armor is the second part of life (there are first the shield)

- A flux and the shield is gone

Actually, I'm speaking about basic assault

And, with the passive armor repair, I'll be able to fit a shield regulator, but just 1...
So I'll be getting 3sec shield recharge delay (and 3.95 for dep.)
The problem (for ME) is that when you are in a fight against a Gallente (with amor repair for example) if you hide for short time (~3/4 sec) Caldari isn't getting back her shield, but Gallente will get +60HP
That's.

So conclusion : passive shield recharge delay is to long for me... (for minma and calda assaults)
A racial suit bonus ?
Or like the Calda heavies ?

I'm for the second.
Why don't have assaults the same thing as the heavies ?
When you have lost ALL your shield, the delay is just 1sec (or 2, but not 6)
And the normal delay (when shield isn't totaly gone) stay the same.

Yes, as you said, the main benefit of this change is that you guys can finally get rid of a reactive or armor repair in place of a much more useful module.

CPU extender or Another regulator maybe, you can do a lot with low slots, which I'm jealous of because I can only do two things with highslots.

- why grant Minstar suits better armor regeneration than to Amarr suits, where the latter is armor only, the prior a hybrid tank with clear speed advantage (damage mitigation via strafing)?

- why grant Sentinel suits worse regeneration than Assault suits (same argument as above)?

Personally, I think we need to switch damage mods to lows and move some other things like biotics and codebreakers to the highs... but that's a discussion all its own.

I could very well get behind that, it would be difficult to fit on a Caldari suit without Sacrificing something because of the high amount of CPU but you can offset that with A CPU enhancer.

If we could move Codebreakers, Kinetic Catalyzers and Cardiac Regulators to highslots then I wouldn't mind trading in Damage Modifiers.

Codebreakers however should not take up that much PG. That's ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as the Allotek Plasma Cannon taking 117 CPU but 0 PG.


That's right, Plasma Cannon takes 0 PG and it makes absolutely no sense.

I could very well get behind that, it would be difficult to fit on a Caldari suit without Sacrificing something because of the high amount of CPU but you can offset that with A CPU enhancer.

If we could move Codebreakers, Kinetic Catalyzers and Cardiac Regulators to highslots then I wouldn't mind trading in Damage Modifiers.

Codebreakers however should not take up that much PG. That's ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as the Allotek Plasma Cannon taking 117 CPU but 0 PG.


That's right, Plasma Cannon takes 0 PG and it makes absolutely no sense.

Dear players

we have been discussing this topic on and off for quite a while, especially concerning shield tanking, and the inherent need to always use a low slot to have "any" armor reps, which is bad for shield tanking, and quite hampering for racial fitting styles.

We are not proposing this, but would like to get your opinions on the general idea that we have been formulating (particularly with CPM Logi and Commando threads), and it ties well into empowering Logis and Commandos on top.

Without further ado:

Gallente (Current Gal Value) - Armor Rep kings
Commando 4 (1.00)
Logi 3.5 (2.00)
Sentinel 3.0 (1.00)
Assault 3.5 (2.00)
Scout 2.0 (3.00) - (GA Scout is very strong now)


Caldari - shield tankers ("gain" a low slot)
Commando 2.5
Logi 2
Sentinel 1.5
Assault 1
Scout 0.5

Lets se... First sorry for the bad translation
The Gall scout is strong, but novody uses 4 cmplx arnor plates on, also, if u do, the speed is like 6.60 or less, . The caldari shield repair is about the 35% of the base shield, is the dropsuit with more shield repair of all, the gall scout is right now the dropsuit with best repair rate of all dropsuits, and then of the update it will be the one with the worst repair rate, us have to put more, like 4.5, because the scout dont have very much HP.
And anyways, all the caldari scouts have 4 cmplx shield and armor plates, most of the gal scouts uses like much 2 armor plates...
Regards and sorry for my english