It was just a thought, but I agree, thought perhaps ppl might want to keep it's role as a range weapon more defined

But il take hipfire too

Hipfire recoil is actually good in CQC.

Aim for the crotch and your shots travel upward. Basic automatic weapons 101: unzip your target's guts and finish with a headshot or two.

This is why HMG dispersion was increased back in the day.

I see no reason why a recoil bonus on the Calassault should be ADS specific. It's not going to morph into an ungodly engine of destruction if the reduction applied to hipfire as well.

are we going to do proper bonuses where caldari will apply to all hybrids?
and likewise for gallente?

meaning gal bonus applies to rails and cal bonuses apply to blasters?
as eve dictates it should.

I think I'm gonna be hated on for this but I think all these spool-time/charge-time/range etc. bonuses on certain weapons will remain as garbage bonuses. The reason? They pinhole the suit into a specific weapon thus subverting all customization.

Stay with me here. Look at the Scout and Sentinel bonuses. Do you notice something? The bonuses every Scout and Sentinel gets applies to their suit REGARDLESS of how they fit it. They get base stat bonuses to scanning, hacking, damage reduction, etc. This allows them to use any fit they choose and STILL get a bonus from the suit. Why then can this logic not be applied to Medium Frames?

I simply don't understand the desire to force a Caldari Assault to only use Rail Rifles, a Gallente to only use an AR, etc. This completely goes against the logic of customizing your suit to your preferences. Can we not completely redo the bonuses such that the bonuses will be useful no matter the weapon?

This is honestly one of many reasons Assaults remain so lackluster.

How about this instead:

We balance the weapons accordingly and independently such that they're not complete garbage in the hands of anyone but their respective racial variant, and then proceed to give the suits according bonuses relative to their designed racial lore. Tune the rail rifle a bit. Take the Amarr bonus and apply it across the board to all laser weapons. THEN proceed to give each racial variant a useful Assault-oriented bonus.

I'm just making this up out of my ass but something like

Caldari gets some sort of shield regen/delay bonus.
Gallente gets armor repair/reduced armor usage penalties.
Minmatarr gets speed/stamina/shield regen or what have you.
Amarr gets some sort of hybrid shield/armor bonus or something.

Make the bonuses appealing and not pinhole the suit into a specific weapon. I want to run a Caldari Assault with a Combat Rifle because I like shields and I like burst-fire. Right now I can do that but my suit bonus does NOTHING for me.

Take the design philosophy from Scouts and Sentinels and apply it here. It doesn't make sense that Scouts and Sentinels get the privilege of completely free customization while the Medium Frames are limited to specific weapons.

caldari: 10% reduction to charge time per level
gallente: 5% reduction to damage fall off

These bonuses could be 2ndary...the primary bonus to assaults should be the commando bonus of 10% damage but just make it flat for all weaponry...not racial only.

Well both the Amarr and Minmatar bonuses improves their respective race's uptime. A minmatar with an ACR lasts about an extra 0.8 seconds before reloadjng compared to anotjer race weilding the same weapon.

An amarr lasts another 4-5 shots before overheating compared to another race holding the same weapon. Because of this I think Assault bonuses should be geared towards persistency/ sustaining in combat.

Bonuses that would allow a player to continue firing for longer periods of time.
Charge time reduction (Caldari only)
Reload time reduction
Magazine increase
Reduced ROF + Increased damage
Partial Reloading (reloading during firing - shotgun style - gallante only)
Faster movement to ADS
Faster weapon switching
Heat Sink (chance to not expend ammo from firing)
1 in the chamber (reloading with 0< rounds results in shorter reload - caldari only)

Pick your poison.
Personally I rather like the following.

-5% to gallante partial reload speed per level (would require changing AR mechanics to permit partial reloads)
+3% to gallante heat sink probability per level (@ Lvl 5 produces a 15% chance to not expend ammunition on a shot)

-5% to caldari charge time per level
-5% to caldari intial reload time per level (reduces time to reload before the weapon is cocked, @Lvl 5 produces a 25% bonus to 1 in the chamber reload and a 15% bonus to full reloads)

caldari: 15% reduction to charge time of hybrid:rail weapons per level and 10% reduction to kick

gallente: idgaf

I have for quite some time now been hearing that while the Amarr and Minmitar racial bonuses are useful the Gallente and Caldari bonuses are a bit lack luster.

As such input and feedback is being sought regarding the state of Gal and Cal racial bonuses, and how to polish the experience and utility of same.

When responding to this thread please note your primary role / primary context for use of each item being commented on so that proper context can be applied.

Cheers,
Cross

PS ~ Allow me to preemptively state that both direct range and direct damage buffs are likely off the table due to game wide weapons balance considerations and that the current intent of maintaining some degree of racial flavor within the bonus selected is indented to be maintained. That being said let's put our heads together and figure out a way to improve these racial buffs.

caldari: 15% reduction to charge time of hybrid:rail weapons per level and 10% reduction to kick

gallente: idgaf

no. cal bonus needs to apply to all hybrids.
cal use both gal use both

bonuses should apply to both.

Both use them so both should get the shared bonuses.