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BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Top Men. 96	Posted - 2014.10.21 11:15:00 - [121] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: I have for quite some time now been hearing that while the Amarr and Minmitar racial bonuses are useful the Gallente and Caldari bonuses are a bit lack luster. As such input and feedback is being sought regarding the state of Gal and Cal racial bonuses, and how to polish the experience and utility of same. When responding to this thread please note your primary role / primary context for use of each item being commented on so that proper context can be applied. Cheers, Cross PS ~ Allow me to preemptively state that both direct range and direct damage buffs are likely off the table due to game wide weapons balance considerations and that the current intent of maintaining some degree of racial flavor within the bonus selected is indented to be maintained. That being said let's put our heads together and figure out a way to improve these racial buffs. I've heard the opposite. Gallente Assaults like the dispersion (some what) and Caldari find the reload speed to be very similar to how they're suppose to be played already. Ducking in and out of battle to allow shields to recharge/reload weapons. Honestly as a moderately skilled assault player I have to say that the Minmatar is the least useful. A 25% buff to weapon clip size is nothing. That means like 15 rounds for CR's or 20 rounds for an SMG. Very few times have I ever found that particularly useful. Would actually prefer the Gallente Bonus of decreasing hip fire. The CR's and Blasters both share the common trait of being meant for DPS kings of CQC. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2922	Posted - 2014.10.21 11:18:00 - [122] - Quote Since amarr and minmatar are mirrored in this case, lets come up with an interesting bonus that would mirror between gallente and caldari assault. The current bonuses does not increase damage per clip (as the well thought through amarr and minmatar bonuses do). Example: Gallente should get a RoF bonus in order to make it the best CQC rifle suit in game, Caldari should get a reduction in damage fall off (damage bonus, but not dmg%) both increase damage per clip (just as minmatar and amarr). Both of these bonuses increase damage per clip, and are statistics that you cannot find on modules and other suits, which make them unique. Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3786	Posted - 2014.10.21 11:59:00 - [123] - Quote Give assaults +1 grenade. Make the assault suit skill reduce grenade timers by .2 sec/level. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8056	Posted - 2014.10.21 15:37:00 - [124] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Give assaults +1 grenade. Make the assault suit skill reduce grenade timers by .2 sec/level. some people depend on that timer CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18320	Posted - 2014.10.21 15:44:00 - [125] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Give assaults +1 grenade. Make the assault suit skill reduce grenade timers by .2 sec/level. some people depend on that timer tries to cook core locus grenade awkwardly explodes You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3800	Posted - 2014.10.21 17:19:00 - [126] - Quote nades used to be deadly. now they're a joke. I never get hit with them in my fatsuit anymore. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 150	Posted - 2014.10.21 17:31:00 - [127] - Quote As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 160	Posted - 2014.10.21 17:31:00 - [128] - Quote As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.Wizard Talk
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1420	Posted - 2014.10.21 18:33:00 - [129] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. Assaults already have the highest number of slots in the game, they don't need to carry around excessive amounts of equipment either. Give assaults more equipment and you immediately make logi's less desireable. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4225	Posted - 2014.10.21 18:40:00 - [130] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. Assaults already have the highest number of slots in the game, they don't need to carry around excessive amounts of equipment either. Give assaults more equipment and you immediately make logi's less desireable. So much this. The last thing this game needs is further proliferation of multiple EQ slot suits. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Top Men. 97	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:11:00 - [131] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. Assaults already have the highest number of slots in the game, they don't need to carry around excessive amounts of equipment either. Give assaults more equipment and you immediately make logi's less desireable. So much this. The last thing this game needs is further proliferation of multiple EQ slot suits. Didn't they say that they were going to make all the logis at prototype level have 4 equipment slots? what ever happened to that? Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4225	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:56:00 - [132] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. Assaults already have the highest number of slots in the game, they don't need to carry around excessive amounts of equipment either. Give assaults more equipment and you immediately make logi's less desireable. So much this. The last thing this game needs is further proliferation of multiple EQ slot suits. Didn't they say that they were going to make all the logis at prototype level have 4 equipment slots? what ever happened to that? Rattati does not care about logi suits; thinks they are fine. Most logical explanation. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3405	Posted - 2014.10.22 14:43:00 - [133] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: BrotherofHavok wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: As for a blanketed buff another equipment slot would allow us to use our pointlessly high CPU/PG. Assaults already have the highest number of slots in the game, they don't need to carry around excessive amounts of equipment either. Give assaults more equipment and you immediately make logi's less desireable. So much this. The last thing this game needs is further proliferation of multiple EQ slot suits. Didn't they say that they were going to make all the logis at prototype level have 4 equipment slots? what ever happened to that? Rattati does not care about logi suits; thinks they are fine. Most logical explanation. Not sure if serious or joking See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3843	Posted - 2014.10.22 14:49:00 - [134] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Not sure if serious or joking Neither. aggravation and provocation. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4230	Posted - 2014.10.22 15:15:00 - [135] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Not sure if serious or joking Neither. aggravation and provocation. Have yet to hear anything to the contrary; was told in discussions of prior hotfixes that the other things were "higher priority." So, I have drawn the logical conclusion based on my own personal biases. 1.9 will apparently trump this as well, though I completely agree with that, I'll live with my "relic of 1.7" suit for a little longer to get a buyback option and other highly necessary fixes. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3409	Posted - 2014.10.22 16:13:00 - [136] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Not sure if serious or joking Neither. aggravation and provocation. Have yet to hear anything to the contrary; was told in discussions of prior hotfixes that the other things were "higher priority." So, I have drawn the logical conclusion based on my own personal biases. 1.9 will apparently trump this as well, though I completely agree with that, I'll live with my "relic of 1.7" suit for a little longer to get a buyback option and other highly necessary fixes. Thread. Of course nothing can be totally counted on until it actually happens - such is life - but I have been given no reason to believe at this point that the process on going in the linked thread, the current thread, or the Commando thread, is/will be dismissed. I'm certain not all of the proposals I bring to CCP will be adopted wholesale, but even that seems more likely than any of them being outright dismissed. 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4233	Posted - 2014.10.22 16:31:00 - [137] - Quote I know YOU care, Cross. It's Rattati I'm not so sure about. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3412	Posted - 2014.10.22 16:57:00 - [138] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I know YOU care, Cross. It's Rattati I'm not so sure about. Fair point. And while I can neither 100% guarantee results, nor openly divulge NDA covered things (like internal conversations with Devs) I can say that I have found CCP Rattati to be very reasonable to work with and generally very open to discussion and new ideas. The level and willingness with which he and LogiBro communicate both with the community and CPM has substantially increased my overall outlook on the future of Dust. Now, I do not expect anyone to simply take my word for it 'sight unseen' and since I cannot provide the aforementioned internal communications I have little beyond my impression to provide at this point, so some continued skepticism seems rational to me but I will say that I feel the odds of an improvement - with regards to each of the CPM threads I'm managing - are pretty positive. Slower than we might like? Sure. But I honestly don't think any of the aforementioned is being ignored. Just my impressions, for what it's worth. o7 See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1373	Posted - 2014.10.22 18:02:00 - [139] - Quote Ck.0 Assault Removing the reload bonus for a reduction to charge time is a nerf... reducing the .25 sec charge isn't exactly needed in my opinion .... The reload benefits after investing in Rapid Reload skills are why I got the suit to L5 I would feel pretty robbed if I lost that to something like Charge Reduction... Reducing kick would make the Rail weapons even more powerful which they do not need So I would disagree with both of these in favor of the current Reload bonus. Being able to increase my tank would be nice as right now 700 shield is an tough fit, unless I trade out to CR or AR instead of RR which removes my bonus to weapons I think the bonuses are decent on Cal, if it's shields were slightly greater I would be happy with it. And would be OK with removing some base Armour and adding it to the shield HP Innapropriate Irrelevence...
Middas Betancore Kirjuun Heiian 101	Posted - 2014.10.22 18:44:00 - [140] - Quote I somewhat agree, using a rail weapon with a further reduced kick could be dangerous Tac sniper rifles would quite scary, 6 precision high dmg rounds, low recoil would mean faster target reaquisition, buffing it's dps(kinda) Bolt pistols I feel would feel hardly different, with my proto bp skills, the recoil is already so small, the spool time between shots is enough time to sight on a target. Rail Rifles-It becomes harder to control ADS about 15-20 rounds into the magazine, with a further recoil buff, IMHO in a max skilled.dropsuit, you could be raining down accurate fire up to 100m for most of your magazine(vague I know) Assault Rails-Mostly the same as it's parent weapon, though it's hipfire accuracy would be inherently buffed by less recoil, just blazing of the hip, no worries Sniper Rifles-Less recoil would increase this weapons ability to fire a series of very powerful shots, I imagine just volleys smashing heavys with body shots in quick succession, but it does have limited magazine cap Charge-Quick follow up shots after a charge shot, devastating Magsec-Its recoil seems to be in a good place at the moment, if buffed it would be lasering headshots into ppl at 50 paces Looks bleak no? Giving a further recoil buff seems a waste of time it will push rail weapons weaknesses out of the picture However if u were to lower the rail recoil skills in the weaponry tree, you could nerf the recoil skills you think may be necessary Say from 5% - 3% in a case by case basis Then you could give the assault a rail recoil skill, make them more specialized in sustained ranged fire Or Shield Regen mode efficiacy Thats my bit on cal assault for now, hope it helps CEO-Kirjuun Heiian-Caldari Faction Warfare Corp Join our public chat channel. Kirjuun Heiian

Middas Betancore Kirjuun Heiian 102	Posted - 2014.10.22 18:53:00 - [141] - Quote Note: my above post is my written perception of what I believe using a cal assault with a recoil reduction skill I have 52million sp, All caldari dropsuits, weapons, equipment to 5 with pretty maxed cores. I've played dust pretty steadily since closed beta So that's what I think I would be doing with a further recoil reduction CEO-Kirjuun Heiian-Caldari Faction Warfare Corp Join our public chat channel. Kirjuun Heiian
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3448	Posted - 2014.10.23 10:59:00 - [142] - Quote A few weapon changes deployed, check them out for proper context in the ongoing discussions. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18373	Posted - 2014.10.23 12:57:00 - [143] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: A few weapon changes deployed, check them out for proper context in the ongoing discussions. Cheers, Cross Seeing as the recoil on the RR was quadrupled and the charge time is now much more significant, both recoil and charge time reductions have become more interesting options. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.
Middas Betancore Kirjuun Heiian 105	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:10:00 - [144] - Quote Yeah im interested to see how my cal gear is effected, gonna have a play about over the weekend and post some assault feedback At first glance, kick reduction bonus on cal assault gets my vote, frak charge time reduction, it would have to be a substantial bonus 7-10% to really impact performance. I'll give a more enlightened post after a chance to play around CEO-Kirjuun Heiian-Caldari Faction Warfare Corp Join our public chat channel. Kirjuun Heiian
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18373	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:23:00 - [145] - Quote I can agree that recoil bonuses don't have much of any effect and would support 7.5% per level if the Calassault were to get recoil reduction. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3861	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:41:00 - [146] - Quote Charge time is a non fix. All you have to do is continually half charge. Its how I rack up kills in CQC with an AFG. And most effective CQC weapons are slow fire, high kick, low dispersion. Long range automatic weapons are universally low kick, higher dispersion and lower caliber/damage. This is like sentinels, artificially shoehorning them into a role they are poorly suited to. And everyone ignores my input or starts using EVE as an argument in 3...2...1... EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Middas Betancore Kirjuun Heiian 105	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:50:00 - [147] - Quote Hmmm caution tells me cal assault should start 5% Fitting Bonus (Same) 3% Reload Hybrid Rail Light\Sidearm (Same) 5% Recoil Reduction Hybrid Rail Light\Sidearm See how it goes Is ADS only recoil Reduction a good idea as another safety measure, to oppose gallente hipfire bonuses? Perhaps keeping rails as more cumbersome cqc rifle CEO-Kirjuun Heiian-Caldari Faction Warfare Corp Join our public chat channel. Kirjuun Heiian
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18374	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:54:00 - [148] - Quote I see no reason why a recoil bonus on the Calassault should be ADS specific. It's not going to morph into an ungodly engine of destruction if the reduction applied to hipfire as well. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3861	Posted - 2014.10.23 14:03:00 - [149] - Quote Hipfire recoil is actually good in CQC. Aim for the crotch and your shots travel upward. Basic automatic weapons 101: unzip your target's guts and finish with a headshot or two. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Middas Betancore Kirjuun Heiian 105	Posted - 2014.10.23 14:03:00 - [150] - Quote It was just a thought, but I agree, thought perhaps ppl might want to keep it's role as a range weapon more defined But il take hipfire too CEO-Kirjuun Heiian-Caldari Faction Warfare Corp Join our public chat channel. Kirjuun Heiian



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