CCP listens to factual numbers. can some mathematician do the numbers and figure out the TTK of MD vs stock heavies to include how many rounds it takes? My last check off of others math was 17 rounds, but that did not include regean abilities of either side. We need hard evidence with real numbers.

Regen is kind of negligible, but we can do some simple math on a stacked sentinel vs a stacked mass driver.

Sentinel: ck.0 (shield/armor brick tank)
Shield: 946.65
Armor: 636

Commando: mk.0 (freedom mass driver/2 dmg mods)
Splash: 201.78 DPS (110.979 with sentinel+shield resists)
Direct: 417.45 DPS

One full magazine of splash from an MD, and the commando is down to 280.776 shields. That's 6 seconds, and it's time to reload (2.55 seconds, down from 4 seconds due to bonuses)

We're at 8 and a half seconds.

3 more shots and we've broken shields, and are into armor, and we're at 11.5 seconds.

The overage from the last volley leaves us with about 586.45 armor.

It gets a bit better in armor, we're looking at only a 5% penalty, due to the mass driver's bonus against armor. Splash DPS goes to 191.69.

Now where were we? Pop, Pop, Pop. P- Crap, reload time. Three seconds per pop, 2.5 seconds to reload, we're at 17 seconds.

Pop. Boom, Our MAX Caldari sentinel is dead to our MAX Minmatar mass driver, and it only took 17 seconds.

This, friends, is broken.

This is the core of my issue.

How many other light weapon users have to outright RUN when confronted with a particular class of suits?

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What other weapon takes 8 seconds of continuous engagement to kill a heavy?

Here is the core reason for the resistance. Sentinels can't run. There sprint is easily overtaken by a walking medium, even if the medium has a plate or two. Since sentinels cannot avoid the mass driver, they simply soak up the damage.

Since sentinels cannot avoid (whatever racial) rifle, they simply soak up the damage.

Since sentinels cannot avoid the shotgun, they simply soak up the damage.

What's that? those higher DPS weapons are only resisted by CERTAIN RACES of sentinel? And resisted by much less than the 25% against the LOW DPS mass driver?

Craziness.

Finally, DPS is a poor measure of performance to use with the MD, given that it has a high(-ish) alpha and also has a generally large-to-obscene amount of splash area.

Since sentinels cannot avoid the rail rifle, they simply soak up the damage.

Since sentinels cannot avoid the assault rifle, they simply soak up the damage.

Since sentinels cannot avoid the shotgun, they simply soak up the damage.

Since sentinels cannot avoid the combat rifle, they simply soak up the damage.

What's that? those higher DPS weapons are only resisted by CERTAIN RACES of sentinel? And resisted by much less than the 25% against the LOW DPS mass driver?

Craziness.

A mathematical analysis of a weapon's actual damage and TTK is irrelevant when talking about bonuses, because "Alpha".

Thank you for your contribution.

Well, when you say it like that... it just makes me think you're more of an idiot than I previously imagined.

I did not say that the TTK analysis was irrelevant, I said that DPS is specifically a poor- as in "not very good/not the most accurate"- performance metric for the MD because of it's alpha damage bias and it's enormous splash radius.

In other words, learn to actually read, you complete moron.

The fact that you are trying to compare a weapon that is specifically designed to be an area-effect bombardment weapon with direct-fire zero-splash armaments that are intended as mainline service weapons is asinine, stupid, and generally bad. A significantly better comparison would be to the LR, as the LR and MD fulfill very similar roles, merely in very different fashions.

But of course, that would require legitimate, unbiased, and intelligent thought on your part, and we can't have that, now can we.

Notice how none of those have splash, let alone up to and beyond 6m of splash.

You don't see the folly in using subjective words and concepts to talk about mathematical damage and bonuses?

What does "Alpha damage bias" mean? What does the size of the splash radius have to do with the damage?

Sentinel: ck.0 (shield/armor brick tank)
Shield: 946.65
Armor: 636

*snipped some other math stuffs*

Pop. Boom, Our MAX Caldari sentinel is dead to our MAX Minmatar mass driver, and it only took 17 seconds.

All you're doing at this point is typing words that have little bearing on the reality of this bonus,and trolling.

So, you do realize that using THE shield tanking sentinel is of course going to inflate your numbers in your favor, right? Maybe you should have included a max-armor AmSent as well.

One weapon being ineffective does not a problem make.

Oh wait. Flaylocks. That's two.

Everything else works on sentinel suits.

Literally everything.

Thanks for hi-lighting the imbalance.

I think the imbalance should be continually brought up until it is addressed.

Thanks for hi-lighting the imbalance.

I think the imbalance should be continually brought up until it is addressed.

My triple moddedd EXO-5 mass driver 2-shots every non sentinel in the game that is not a proto brick tank with no regen.

The heavy suit is the ONLY suit that cannot be killed by one maybe two rounds from a splash weapon that can kill four people simultaneously.

If sentinels lose the splash resistance then there is no counter.

Then the mass driver must be retooled so it cannot kill four proto dropsuits with two rounds from any proto mass driver.

If that resistance goes away then it has to be toned back so it does not solely dominate CQC and annihilate all scouts, commandos and assaults.

This isn't supposition.

This is a FACT.

What's the benefit of me doing the math for you? I've done enough math in this thread to prove my point, and all you're bringing out is subjective anecdotes that don't lessen the validity of my point.

You're not contributing anything to this thread aside from insults and trolling.

Although it is sort of a disparity that all sentinels get a bonus against a minmatar damage type, the shield sentinels can still receive 100 damage per from the opposite damage profile - scrambler rifles.

The only imbalance I see is you trying to use a support role as a primary slayer. Sentinels resistance IS the balance against MD.

By the numbers, by the amount of market purchases, and by battlefield prevalence, the mass driver is NOT the scourge you are trying to make it out to be.

The mass driver is a bad weapon overall that has very niche use cases, and does not merit a 25%-45% resistance within those niches.

The tears are SPECTACULAR.

By the way, your math is wrong nerd.

I two shot anything that isn't a proto fit.