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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:32:00 -
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Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:01:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
Amarr:change ferros to basic plates,replace the energizer with a damage mod (brick tank)
Caldari: replace the recharger with another extender (thick shields)
Gal: replace the plate with a reactive (less armor,rep tank)
Min:replace the reactive with a ferros ,replace the kincat with a regulator (speedy,shield rep tank)
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:45:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Amarr:change ferros to basic plates,replace the energizer with a damage mod (brick tank) Caldari: replace the recharger with another extender (thick shields) Gal: replace the plate with a reactive (less armor,rep tank) Min:replace the reactive with a ferros ,replace the kincat with a regulator (speedy,shield rep tank)
I actually liked energizer to represent the "brick", strong shield, otherwise to similar to GA
Amarr - I am not a fan of using all basics, it makes it too slow which is why I picked ferros,
Caldari - Maybe, I don't like brick ehp tanking
Gal - Agree
Min - Again, I wanted to have one kincat on one of the fits, but if you don't have a reactive, there is no armor rep for hit and run
Keep them coming, it's fun to discuss this actually as it brings out maybe what needs to be done to properly align philosophies and fitting (and the module stats themselves)
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:54:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Meee One wrote:Amarr:change ferros to basic plates,replace the energizer with a damage mod (brick tank) Caldari: replace the recharger with another extender (thick shields) Gal: replace the plate with a reactive (less armor,rep tank) Min:replace the reactive with a ferros ,replace the kincat with a regulator (speedy,shield rep tank) I actually liked energizer to represent the "brick", strong shield, otherwise to similar to GA Amarr - I am not a fan of using all basics, it makes it too slow which is why I picked ferros, Caldari - Maybe, I don't like brick ehp tanking Gal - Agree Min - Again, I wanted to have one kincat on one of the fits, but if you don't have a reactive, there is no armor rep for hit and run Keep them coming, it's fun to discuss this actually as it brings out maybe what needs to be done to properly align philosophies and fitting (and the module stats themselves)
Amarr: I would use reactive plates. it needs some armor repair
I would not use any dropsuit that didn't have any armor repair even if it is a shield based suit. all suits have shield regen built in.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:26:00 -
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Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage mod
Armor plate
Armor plate
Armor repper
Scrambler Rifle
Assault Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Without rep is not so cool, shield recharge is almost useless with such low shield, damage is better
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Extender
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Nova knives
Packed AV nade
Injector
Better to stack a little more shield if you can, caldari recharge rate is not bad, 2 recharge mod are not needed, AV for being more racial, NK are for the lulz, but they are actually better than a bolt pistols in CQC.
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Reactive Plate
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Flux
Active Scanner
I've changed a few in here, i like this fit.
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
This is probably the most difficult fit, due to the lack of HP and strange slot layout, 3-1 on std level was better, with the minmatar you have to be specialized in 1 thing, speed tanking is almost useless with a basic kincat.
The only viable fit is imo is:
damage mod
damage mod
reactive
reactive
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:37:00 -
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Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3.
That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits.
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:15:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3.
That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits.
Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:54:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3.
That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits. Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor.
whatever you give standard suits you'll have to give Gallente suits more.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:03:00 -
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I walk into this thread and the first thing I see is an Amarr suit with 3 ferroscale plates.
I'm not going to ramble on about fittings, but here's what I attribute as the standard "racial" fitting idea when you go to fit an assault/medium suit and any tier (I have no idea if these actually work at std or not)
Amarr: Large tank, SLOW recovery, high damage
-Mainly plates, 1 armor repairer MINIMUM, damage mods
Caldari: Large buffer, fast recovery, shield reliant
-Mainly extenders, 1 or 2 energizer/recharger, regulators, possibly a reactive or kin cat in the extra low
Gallente: Fast recovery, focus on speed and stealth
-Mainly armor repairers (at least half of your low slots), ferroscales or reactives with kin cats, dampener as a side option, shield rechargers or extenders based on preference
Minmatar: Dual tank with speed and damage
-A good balance of a variety of modules.
I'll give you my example proto fitting because this is hard to explain:
-2 extenders, 1 energizer, 1 damage mod (option: swap e-tender for extra damage mod)
-2 plates, 1 armor repair, 1 kin cat (option: swap plate/kin cat for extra armor repair)
I could make a video of some standard fittings though if you'd like...
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The dark cloud
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:40:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I walk into this thread and the first thing I see is an Amarr suit with 3 ferroscale plates.
I'm not going to ramble on about fittings, but here's what I attribute as the standard "racial" fitting idea when you go to fit an assault/medium suit and any tier (I have no idea if these actually work at std or not)
Amarr: Large tank, SLOW recovery, high damage
-Mainly plates, 1 armor repairer MINIMUM, damage mods
Caldari: Large buffer, fast recovery, shield reliant
-Mainly extenders, 1 or 2 energizer/recharger, regulators, possibly a reactive or kin cat in the extra low
Gallente: Fast recovery, focus on speed and stealth
-Mainly armor repairers (at least half of your low slots), ferroscales or reactives with kin cats, dampener as a side option, shield rechargers or extenders based on preference
Minmatar: Dual tank with speed and damage
-A good balance of a variety of modules.
I'll give you my example proto fitting because this is hard to explain:
-2 extenders, 1 energizer, 1 damage mod (option: swap e-tender for extra damage mod)
-2 plates, 1 armor repair, 1 kin cat (option: swap plate/kin cat for extra armor repair)
I could make a video of some standard fittings though if you'd like...
Since when are gallente assaults speedy and stealthy? Last time ive checked they armor tank and use damage mods. Both is not really optimised to be quick.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:55:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer - (Not really Amarrian Style but no other choice)
Ferroscale Plate - (Replace with Reactive Plate)
Ferroscale Plate - (Replace with Standard Plate)
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Focuses on armour buffer being the priority, since amarr is already slower they are more prepared to fit standard plates
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger - (Replace with Extender)
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Focuses on Shield Buffer being main priority but also enforces shields being stronger as a regen class.
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate - (Replace with Reactive Plate)
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Focuses on Armour active tanking, shows reliance upon in built eHP values
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger - (Replace with Energizer)
Reactive Plate - (Replace with Repper)
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
Focuses on minimal down time out of combat, Hit and Run
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:31:00 -
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Why the hell does Caldari have a flux and Gallente have Locus grenades. The flux is Gallente amd the Locus os Caldari. They all seem fine but the Amarr
And the Gallente as well now that I think about it.
I'd give the Gallente:
1 Damage Mod
Basic Kinetic Catalyzer
Armor Repair
Armor Repair
Plasma Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Active Scanner
-speed and regen in mind-
Amarr Assault:
Energizer
Armor plate
Reactive Plate
Reactive Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Uplink
-brick tank in mind-
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:52:00 -
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Flaylock on the Minmatar suit... Well, that's just unfair Rattati. You're basically teaching new guys to never switch to their sidearm...
And these are standard items or Militia items? Because the buff required to fit a Militia Drop Uplink on the Amarr would be staggering, that thing is just terrible.
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:54:00 -
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We seem to have a little bit of grenade confusion.
The Caldari fit has a flux grenade. The flux grenade is a Gallente item.
The Gallente fit has a locus grenade. The locus grenade is a Minmatar item.
The Minmatar fit has a flux grenade. The flux grenade is a Gallente item.
Suggested resolution:
Caldari fit gets AV grenade.
Gallente fit gets flux grenade.
Minmatar fit gets locus grenade.
Also, three ferroscales on the Amarr fit? Normal armour plates are more the Amarrian style, I think.
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:55:00 -
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I started a thread on starter fits a few weeks ago. There's probably some useful info there.
I think you should separate the logi equipment from the more frontline stuff into 2 versions of each suit. Frontlines could be more about the racial assault style and would be more competitive as a slayer. Equipment on these would tend to be nano hives. The support suits would feature alternative weapons like the mass driver, laser rifle, plasma cannon etc. as well as focus on survivability and their racial equipment.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:54:00 -
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Scout M-I3,000
Basic Shield Extender975
Basic Shield Extender975
Basic Kinetic Catalyzer675
Basic Kinetic Catalyzer675
Combat Rifle1,500
Nova Knives675
Flux Grenade600
Cloak Field2,085
Compact Nanohive900
ISK Estimated Cost:~ 12,060
The main issue with starter scout fits is that they won't be able to fit cloak until they hit racial 5. Which means they won't be using a main component of the scout arsenal until they have sunk an incredible amount of SP into the skill tree.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:17:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3.
That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits. Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor.
I believe a large portion of this problem is because of the design shift going into dust (aka, whoever was in charge of design got things wrong). If you don't have at least 1 (preferably 2) armor repair you can and will get worn down due to attrition - shields are currently designed so that no matter what you do, you will at some point be 'tanking' on armor, it's also possible to turn shield recharge off with as little as 1 point of damage meaning that shields are even more susceptible than armor (with reppers fitted) to attrition, whereas I can toss 2 complex repairers on a high HP armor suit and get ~20 hp a second no matter the incoming fire. Shields seem designed solely as a buffer before hitting armor (and hit armor you will)
In eve your shields recharge at a sliding rate no matter what is happening (based on time and max hp, with 'peak' recharge being at 33%) or you can use active modules to keep your shields topped up. Shield modules in eve provide quick constant bursts of shield at the cost of a lot of cap use (repairing as soon as the switch is flipped), where armor repairers have long cycle times that repair far more efficiently but do so at the end of cycle.
In eve it is entirely possible to mount a shield or armor tank without being interested in the other.In dust it is only possible to mount a 'full armor tank' without needing to be interested in shields at all, it is not possible to mount a 'full shield tank' without needing to be interested in armor.
If shields were designed in such a manner that every (value A) amount of time you got (value B) shields back regardless of whether you were taking fire or not the idea of mounting full shield tanks becomes a lot more desireable - you don't 'need' to worry about your armor at all because in any situation where it would come up you're likely already taking enough damage to die. This would ideally replace the current 'delay' / 'depleted' system. So ideally you could have a proto caldari sentinel running around with lets say 800 shield hp (just tossing a number out) and then because (value B) is based on total health but is still modified by rechargers/energizers the sentinel is getting back ~60 hp every (value a) time (lets say 1.4 seconds even under fire) because the cal sent has good base values and opted to fit a complex regulator.
Not that I ever truly expect this to be implemented, just expressing some of my issues with the current design.
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:19:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:
Scout M-I3,000
Basic Shield Extender975
Basic Shield Extender975
Basic Kinetic Catalyzer675
Basic Kinetic Catalyzer675
Combat Rifle1,500
Nova Knives675
Flux Grenade600
Cloak Field2,085
Compact Nanohive900
ISK Estimated Cost:~ 12,060
The main issue with starter scout fits is that they won't be able to fit cloak until they hit racial 5. Which means they won't be using a main component of the scout arsenal until they have sunk an incredible amount of SP into the skill tree.
I'd like to see a MIL cloak with low fitting costs and a very short cloak time (like 5 seconds). This would expose new players to stealth gameplay but with pretty severe restrictions.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:33:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:I'd like to see a MIL cloak with low fitting costs and a very short cloak time (like 5 seconds). This would expose new players to stealth gameplay but with pretty severe restrictions.
While I do understand that would help, it wouldn't solve the problem of scouts being unable to fit racial equipment until they sink a ton of SP into their role. Creating a cloak with low fitting requirements would allow all classes to utilize it. So instead of making another EQ, which isn't something CCP can hotfix. They should instead change the bonus to cloak fitting to a role bonus (reduce cloak fitting requiremetns by 95%), instead of a racial bonus (12.5%/level); which is something thats easily doable in a hotfix.
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:34:00 -
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It makes me worried that CCP doesnt even know which grenade goes to which Race
P.S. You at least give the Amarr an AV grenade
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:12:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Probably a good list of scout suit fits
How did you get "Scout suits" from a discussion on medium frames? 
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:17:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:Probably a good list of scout suit fits How did you get "Scout suits" from a discussion on medium frames?
CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Does not specifically state medium frames in any context other than what he "starts off with". Reading.....I does it.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:36:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Kaze Eyrou wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:Probably a good list of scout suit fits How did you get "Scout suits" from a discussion on medium frames? CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc) Does not specifically state medium frames in any context other than what he "starts off with". Reading.....I does it.
Skimming.... I does it and miss things like that. Doh! 
Carry on.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3.
That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits. Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor.
Rattati, you should be careful using so much logic on these forums. Logic, especially from a Dev, is not welcome around here.
3 for Gal and 1 for everyone else would be my suggestion, especially after the low slot layout change for Amarr/Gallente.
My thoughts on racial preference:
Amarr - High EHP low speed - you'll never be fast with such a low base speed, so brick tank and outlast in EHP if you can.
Caldari - Highest EHP possible, keep at range so you have more breathing room for regen.
These are the two races I play the most. I have a hard time commenting on the others but... when I was min logi in Chrome it was all about dual tank, but they should be more into speed and regen according to eve lore.
Gallente could find a use for an active tanked build possibly, which would be their lore-based preference. I feel like they need something better than Damage mods to make that a reality though. Seriously consider swapping damage mods and kin cats to make this more like EVE.
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Kaeru Nayiri
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:39:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Also, three ferroscales on the Amarr fit? Normal armour plates are more the Amarrian style, I think.
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Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
Just a small note on the caldari, the only issue (and it is with all caldari) is that you will be losing a good chunk of your extender due to the penalties you get from the energizer. it's a direct contradiction.
you would be better with
Recharger
Extender
Damage mod/extender (or even 2nd recharger)
Regulator (more realistically reactive plates-helps to counter fluxes)
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:25:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:
Just a small note on the caldari, the only issue (and it is with all caldari) is that you will be losing a good chunk of your extender due to the penalties you get from the energizer. it's a direct contradiction.
I haven't played shield suits in a while after switching to Amarr Logi but when Energizers were first introduced they only affected the base shield hp, has this been changed? I've never seen any patch notes on that.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
HS: Energizer
LW: Scrambler Rifle
SA: Scrambler Pistol
GS: Locus
EQ: Uplink
LS: 3x Ferroscale Plate
IMO, I'd swap the Energizer for a damage modifier. The energizer does not give a significant increase, even with maxed out passive skills, to benefit the very low shield value for the suit.
I'd also swap the Locus Grenade for a Flux Grenade. Primarily because I prefer the utility of a flux over a locus but also because if you get caught up in your own blast you are less affected by it- flux on armor locus on shield.
Then I'd replace one of the Ferroscale plates with a Reactive.
CCP Rattati wrote:
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
HS: Extender, Recharger, Energizer
LW: Rail Rifle
SA: Bolt Pistol
GS: Flux
EQ: Injector
LS: Regulator
Can't remember, which causes reduction to shields? I'd remove that one and replace it with the other or replace the one that doesn't reduce health with a second extender.
Same thing as above with the grenade, swap to a locus because of opposing values.
EQ, definitely replace this. The injector should never be allowed on a suit with only 1 EQ slot. It's only going to be used to troll/farm people for 60WPs- a reward greater than actually shooting someone. More than that, though, the Caldari Weapons have very low max ammo values and a nanohive would suit the suit far better.
CCP Rattati wrote:
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
HS: Damage Mod
LW: Assault Rifle
SA: Ion Pistol
GS: Locus
EQ: Active Scanner
LS: Armor Plate, 2x Armor Repairer
First, toss the Ion Pistol. You're better off not having a sidearm than using that one. Seriously, there's very little hyperbole/humor in that statement, it's garbage. It's way too easy to accidentally charge a shot, which will cause a full seize even if you didn't use a full charge.
Second, again with the grenade. The Flux Grenade is even produced by Allotek Industries.
I also get more millage out of 2 plates and 1 repairer than your current set-up.
The Active Scanner seems like a bad idea. Unless you're sticking it in there because it's The Gallente Equipment better off with a nanohive because the AR can run out of ammo very quickly.
CCP Rattati wrote:
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
HS: Extender, Recharger
LW: Combat Rifle
SA: Flaylock
GS: Flux
EQ: Nanohive
LS: Reactive Plate, Kinetic Catalyzer
Minmatar is more a shield based suit than an armor one, so the Grenade thing again.
The flaylock is not a weapon I'd give to someone. It's something you choose because you want to clear enemy EQ quickly or distract people by making them thing a grenade of MD round just went off. I'd go with the SMG here because it's just a standard suit probably not meant for people specialized in battlefield roles yet.
I'd also use a Cardiac Regulator instead of a Kinetic Calalyzer. First, you need Biotics V to unlock KinCats; Second, 5% increased sprint is going to get you less benefit than 50% stamina
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:08:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor.
Please do this. Every dropsuit needs 0.5 or 1.0 HP/sec armor rep. Give Gallente a better armor rep rate, of course.
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:14:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I'd like to see a MIL cloak with low fitting costs and a very short cloak time (like 5 seconds). This would expose new players to stealth gameplay but with pretty severe restrictions. While I do understand that would help, it wouldn't solve the problem of scouts being unable to fit racial equipment until they sink a ton of SP into their role. Creating a cloak with low fitting requirements would allow all classes to utilize it. So instead of making another EQ, which isn't something CCP can hotfix. They should instead change the bonus to cloak fitting to a role bonus (reduce cloak fitting requiremetns by 75%), instead of a racial bonus (15%/level); which is something thats easily doable in a hotfix.
Yeah I was trying to think of a way for this to work, but not be abused by assaults, commandos and logis. One way is to have the dampening effect only be enough to evade unskilled academy players. Also you could give the basic light frames a bonus to Militia cloaks to help with this, so you could keep fitting costs higher. I don't think most assault players would want to sacrifice an equipment slot to have a cloak with a very short duration and easily scannable with any scanner.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3.
That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits. Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor.
I had come to this conclusion too. Although I would suggest 2 HP per second for Sentinels, as that would take 3 minutes to completely heal the armour on a Caldari Sentinel. (I have a photo of my Caldari Sent with zero armour and full shields, so sometimes you do have to heal from zero.) 3 minutes for full healing I think is more reasonable than 6 minutes. On the suits with less base armor 1 HP per second would be fine.
And of course you would increase the Gallente self rep bonus equivalently.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:27:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
your caldari suit isnt practical
current game mechanics dont allow for that shield regen to be capitalized on because shield delays are too high still.
use another extender so you dont die from a single charged scrambler rifle shot
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2336427#post2336427
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Diurnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:31:00 -
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That Amarr fit is such face palm that I had to post about it.
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Boot Booter
Pure Evil.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:47:00 -
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Looks good to me. Glad to see this finally going in.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:23:00 -
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Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SHYJOGe0CA
"A-I" represents what I think the proper racial fit should look like
"A-II" represents how I would rather fit the suit (I left the same sidearms and weapons, but changed modules and equipment)
*The HP and fitting space on these suits should not be compared or referenced as I created these fittings on my main character. A low sp player will not get these sort of numbers, but I'm not willing to go create a new character and buy aur items just to make these fittings without any skill bonuses. There is always Protofits for that.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:58:00 -
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Minmatar - nanohive, mainly because of Combat Rifle ROF
Caldari - injector, one of the fits needed an injector and one a scanner, I felt the scanner was more gallente and in an advanced army like the caldari army "every life counts"
Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields
Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes.
Utility overrules the race in that case.
Not for the pistols though, I want them proper. If they are not viable, they need to be made viable.
The rest that were helpful, thanks. I think having this discussion highlights some fundamental differences in viability and theme. Something we can use to identify modules to improve upon.
On the Amarr plates, I would actually put one of each type, heavy armour, light armour and rep armour, also to show case all three.
Overall the Caldari gets the most feedback, that just further underlines that the shield modules and how they work together doesn't "click" properly.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13098
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:01:00 -
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Being hugely Amarrian.... I have to say unfortunately I would never fit a suit....or a ship in the manner you do.
Personally with the 1H - 3L that the Amarr Assault has it would have to be.
Shield Energiser/ Damage Module
Armour Plate
Armour Plate
Armour Plate/ Armour Repper
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus Grenade/ AV Grenade
I make this fit not because I like stacking 3 plates but because there is no way to passive/endurance tank as no Resistance modules exist.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Minmatar - nanohive, mainly because of Combat Rifle ROF
Caldari - injector, one of the fits needed an injector and one a scanner, I felt the scanner was more gallente and in an advanced army like the caldari army "every life counts" So why not a Repair tool instead of an Injector? Have you ever been needlefucked?
It's a pretty common practice. People do it all the time, many on purpose but most unwittingly.
FW/PC variety: You team kill, revive, team kill, revive, team kill, revive, team kill, et cetera. This goes on until the TK'er accumulates 5k damage or the the needlefucked turns off their system
Pub match variety: You see someone die, you revive them, you watch them die, you revive them, you watch them die, you revive them. Some people try and queue up so their squads are synchronized and end up in the same match. Often enough they'll end up on opposite teams. It can get really fun when you do this as a team, all of you mic'ed up in another channel.
Or you can signal someone on the other team to no shoot you so you both can have fun.
CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields
Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes.
Utility overrules the race in that case.
But most of use agree that pairing weapon's damage profile and grenade damage is the more utilitarian procedure.
CCP Rattati wrote:
Not for the pistols though, I want them proper. If they are not viable, they need to be made viable.
Simple fix for the Ion Pistol is to remove the Stun/Seize then balance DPS afterwards
True Adamance wrote:Being hugely Amarrian.... I have to say unfortunately I would never fit a suit....or a ship in the manner you do.
In DUST. I'm almost never going to use a Rail Rifle on a Caldari Assault suit or an Assault Rifle on the Gallente Assault suit.
If I'm running a Shield suit it is because I'll be on the outside points and I expect to see other people using shield based suits because the environment favors them. So I'm going to stick an Assault Scrambler Rifle on my Caldari Suit.
If I;m running an Armor based suit it is because I'll be inside the surface installations, I'll be expecting other people to also use armor tanked suits because that's what is favored in thos situations. So I'm going to stick an Assault Combat Rifle on my Gallente Suit.
I think it's silly that this is the best option, but Rattati will ignore that and stick with LW/SA combinations that are not complimentary yet he'll apply the grenade in a way that's complimentary to his Light Weapon.
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SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:45:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Meee One wrote:Amarr:change ferros to basic plates,replace the energizer with a damage mod (brick tank) Caldari: replace the recharger with another extender (thick shields) Gal: replace the plate with a reactive (less armor,rep tank) Min:replace the reactive with a ferros ,replace the kincat with a regulator (speedy,shield rep tank) I actually liked energizer to represent the "brick", strong shield, otherwise to similar to GA Amarr - I am not a fan of using all basics, it makes it too slow which is why I picked ferros, Caldari - Maybe, I don't like brick ehp tanking Gal - Agree Min - Again, I wanted to have one kincat on one of the fits, but if you don't have a reactive, there is no armor rep for hit and run Keep them coming, it's fun to discuss this actually as it brings out maybe what needs to be done to properly align philosophies and fitting (and the module stats themselves)
Themed suits not dev preference suits is the topic? because you pick dev preference suits and not themed suits. Amarr dont need speed as heavy armor from their priestess protects them. So ferros will never go on amarr suits. One is correct one all of it. Btw hit and run is about not getting hit and if you but not killed regroup and heal and attack after. Self rep isnt the only reps. Keeping dirty dev preferences out of theme suits is a must.
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True Adamance
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13099
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:51:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:True Adamance wrote:Being hugely Amarrian.... I have to say unfortunately I would never fit a suit....or a ship in the manner you do. In DUST. I'm almost never going to use a Rail Rifle on a Caldari Assault suit or an Assault Rifle on the Gallente Assault suit. If I'm running a Shield suit it is because I'll be on the outside points and I expect to see other people using shield based suits because the environment favors them. So I'm going to stick an Assault Scrambler Rifle on my Caldari Suit. If I;m running an Armor based suit it is because I'll be inside the surface installations, I'll be expecting other people to also use armor tanked suits because that's what is favored in thos situations. So I'm going to stick an Assault Combat Rifle on my Gallente Suit. I think it's silly that this is the best option, but Rattati will ignore that and stick with LW/SA combinations that are not complimentary yet he'll apply the grenade in a way that's complimentary to his Light Weapon.
He purely asked for a thematic build. Practicality means nothing at this point.
I suggested literally the most Amarrian build that could be made with what we have.
We have a Rifle and Pistol.....
We have a Dropsuit.
We have passive buffer in the form of Plates since resistance modules are not a factor.
We have no grenades.....
It's a shame this is the best that could be done.
I'd love to see
Amarr A-1
High Slot
- Shield Energiser / Precision Enhancer
Low Slots
- 15mm Rolled Tungsten Armour Plating
- Heat Sink
- Anti Explosive Armour Plating/ Adaptive Armour Plating
Laser Rifle
Assault Pistol
Multispectral Grenade
Drop Uplink
This would be a real Amarrian fit.
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
354
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:08:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
Gallente Flux
Caldari Locus
Why have a grenade that is more effective fighting yourself than the enemy?
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:08:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields
Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes.
Utility overrules the race in that case.
But most of use agree that pairing weapon's damage profile and grenade damage is the more utilitarian procedure. I think it's silly that this is the best option, but Rattati will ignore that and stick with LW/SA combinations that are not complimentary yet he'll apply the grenade in a way that's complimentary to his Light Weapon.
Actually, most of you just said "it looks Gallente, it must be on the Gallente Suit.... Amarr and AV grenade may very well make sense but I don't want new players to have an AV grenade as it may not behave as they expect.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:09:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive Gallente Flux Caldari Locus Why have a grenade that is more effective fighting yourself than the enemy?
You are not supposed to throw it at yourself
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Minmatar - nanohive, mainly because of Combat Rifle ROF
Caldari - injector, one of the fits needed an injector and one a scanner, I felt the scanner was more gallente and in an advanced army like the caldari army "every life counts"
Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields
Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes.
Utility overrules the race in that case.
Not for the pistols though, I want them proper. If they are not viable, they need to be made viable.
The rest that were helpful, thanks. I think having this discussion highlights some fundamental differences in viability and theme. Something we can use to identify modules to improve upon.
On the Amarr plates, I would actually put one of each type, heavy armour, light armour and rep armour, also to show case all three.
Overall the Caldari gets the most feedback, that just further underlines that the shield modules and how they work together doesn't "click" properly.
Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields
Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes.
I thought plasma Rifles bonus were to armor |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:16:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Luther Mandrix wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive Gallente Flux Caldari Locus Why have a grenade that is more effective fighting yourself than the enemy? You are not supposed to throw it at yourself
You have 1500 hp of flux for 150 to 250 shield on a Gallente just doesn't compute |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:17:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:
Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields
Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes.
I thought plasma Rifles bonus were to armor
http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Types
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ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:49:00 -
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Caldari state wouldn't issue gallente tech to its soldiers. It's also not a caldari racial damage type for them to have.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:57:00 -
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DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines
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ladwar
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
2080
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:27:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines
Im getting the feeling your worse then IWS for dust. Thats sad in every way
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:43:00 -
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ladwar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines Im getting the feeling your worse then IWS for dust. Thats sad in every way
Oh god. IWS and his Omni tanking superiority barking. I hope people realize he's not specialized enough to get the full grasp on the things he uses and gets used on him and that goes for everyone that wants to level 1 everything before getting being more specific.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:45:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:ladwar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines Im getting the feeling your worse then IWS for dust. Thats sad in every way Oh god. IWS and his Omni tanking superiority barking. I hope people realize he's not specialized enough to get the full grasp on the things he uses and gets used on him and that goes for everyone that wants to level 1 everything before getting being more specific.
Stop derailing the thread
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
451
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:45:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines
This Vet would say always use flux as they do 1200dmg at std vs shield to mercs and vehicles and clear equipment where locas are like throwing firecrackers only alerting the rest of the enemy where you are with its weak weak useless dmg that are useless for clearing equipment and doing anything to help in the AV front.
Carry 2 dmg type guns. if its a heavy throw flux finish off with armor dmg weapons. My gal scout preference vs heavies is the flux/smg combo. 2 shield weapons and a locas is just asking to die.
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ladwar
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
2084
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:ladwar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines Im getting the feeling your worse then IWS for dust. Thats sad in every way Oh god. IWS and his Omni tanking superiority barking. I hope people realize he's not specialized enough to get the full grasp on the things he uses and gets used on him and that goes for everyone that wants to level 1 everything before getting being more specific. Stop derailing the thread
Oh i had a point to make. Dev preferences shouldnt effect themed suits. You already have dev suit and vehicles. You and IWS would make more dev suit. Stop it, bad dev. Now drop the the stick.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13104
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:25:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines
So you don't want racially thematic fits..... you just said Mercenary...... who are beyond racial alignments....... you are either talking state militaries as the ground forces, which were suggested, of each empire would use, or loyalists like those in PIE Inc who comprise paramilitaries would use.... in which case we would use the same stuff.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:28:00 -
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ladwar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:ladwar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines Im getting the feeling your worse then IWS for dust. Thats sad in every way Oh god. IWS and his Omni tanking superiority barking. I hope people realize he's not specialized enough to get the full grasp on the things he uses and gets used on him and that goes for everyone that wants to level 1 everything before getting being more specific. Stop derailing the thread Oh i had a point to make. Dev preferences shouldnt effect themed suits. You already have dev suit and vehicles. You and IWS would make more dev suit. Stop it, bad dev. Now drop the the stick.
Historically, when a Dev shows the community what they are running- particularly in EVE- the community then proceeds to jump on them because of how terrible their fits are.
I'd still like to know why you require a dropsuit to have a Nanite Injector though. It's only for terrible people.
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
454
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines So you don't want racially thematic fits..... you just said Mercenary...... who are beyond racial alignments....... you are either talking state militaries as the ground forces, which were suggested, of each empire would use, or loyalists like those in PIE Inc who comprise paramilitaries would use.... in which case we would use the same stuff.
Its more like
Linux vs Winblows vs Crapple
One is raised to love one or the other and tries to stay true to it even when they move out of mom and dads house and are able to choose for themselves. They still have what they were raised to use and believe in but find sometime tech from the other family just does certain jobs better (unless you use Linux then you are already a pirate merc making your tech work your way)
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1030
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:20:00 -
[57] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:True Adamance wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines So you don't want racially thematic fits..... you just said Mercenary...... who are beyond racial alignments....... you are either talking state militaries as the ground forces, which were suggested, of each empire would use, or loyalists like those in PIE Inc who comprise paramilitaries would use.... in which case we would use the same stuff. Its more like Linux vs Winblows vs Crapple One is raised to love one or the other and tries to stay true to it even when they move out of mom and dads house and are able to choose for themselves. They still have what they were raised to use and believe in but find sometime tech from the other family just does certain jobs better (unless you use Linux then you are already a pirate merc making your tech work your way)
Yarr!!!
But a compact hive could be a very valid equipment for all those fits.
Seeing as they are merc fits and not military fits,mercs use what works not necessarily what goes with the suit.
EG Cal scouts with CRs
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Maitue Mae
Involuntary Manslaughter
91
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:39:00 -
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I am a Caldari Loyalist, only using shields and rails.
For my purely standard Assault: two extenders, one energizer, and one regulator. Rail rifle and Magsec. Needles are a must.
But the important thing about it? No grenades.
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Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
142
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:44:00 -
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Ahh geeze Rattatti, these things are death traps.
I'm assuming these are meant for new players?
You've got a bunch of 400 hp death traps. I know you're working on matchmaking but still any one with any sp is just going to collect the 50wp all day long.
You know what helps new people the most? Living longer. They're going to get chewed up in this game so the first goal to keep them hooked is to get them those first few kills under their belt. You do that by keeping them alive. We don't have a real tutorial to explain some of the finer mechanics of regen vs health armor vs shields etc. Stack them HP, keep them alive long enough to at least shoot back.
If CCP ever gives you resources again for a real patch then fight for a real tutorial to explain some mechanics in how they can change up their suit, but for the love of god don't just give them OHK suits to get picked off all day long.
Regen isn't going to help them if they just fall over after taking the first shot, hell regen mods in the game are pretty lack luster and require a lot of experience in understanding how and when to jump in and out of cover, things that are lost on newbies even if they've played FPS games for years. Every FPS game seems to cause complete amnesia on basic concepts for some reason.
I guess they're better than the current starter fits but last time i used one I laughed because they had unused slots anyways. |
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C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:10:00 -
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Cruor Abominare wrote:Ahh geeze Rattatti, these things are death traps.
I'm assuming these are meant for new players?
You've got a bunch of 400 hp death traps. I know you're working on matchmaking but still any one with any sp is just going to collect the 50wp all day long.
You know what helps new people the most? Living longer. They're going to get chewed up in this game so the first goal to keep them hooked is to get them those first few kills under their belt. You do that by keeping them alive. We don't have a real tutorial to explain some of the finer mechanics of regen vs health armor vs shields etc. Stack them HP, keep them alive long enough to at least shoot back.
If CCP ever gives you resources again for a real patch then fight for a real tutorial to explain some mechanics in how they can change up their suit, but for the love of god don't just give them OHK suits to get picked off all day long.
Regen isn't going to help them if they just fall over after taking the first shot, hell regen mods in the game are pretty lack luster and require a lot of experience in understanding how and when to jump in and out of cover, things that are lost on newbies even if they've played FPS games for years. Every FPS game seems to cause complete amnesia on basic concepts for some reason.
I guess they're better than the current starter fits but last time i used one I laughed because they had unused slots anyways.
I hear you, but they will be fighting each other in the Academy, so maybe it won't be as bad as you expect.
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
2215
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:41:00 -
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This was the list of fits I'd like to see for new players using an Amarr as an example:
1 FRONTLINE [STARTER FIT] GêP
2 ANTI-ARMOR [STARTER FIT] GêP
3 REVIVER [STARTER FIT] GêP
4 SNIPER [STARTER FIT] GêP
5 Heavy: Militia Point Defense 10 (perhaps called "Defender" or "Objective Defense" )
6 Heavy: Militia Anti-Armor 10
7 Light: Militia Assassin 10
8 Support: Militia Resupplier 10
9 Support: Militia Spawn Deployer 10
10 Support: Militia Scaner 10
11 Support: Militia Armor Repairer 10 (perhaps called "Triage")
12 Caldari Militia Frontline 10
13 Gallente Militia Frontline 10
14 Minmatar Militia Frontline 10
The first 4 are infinite starter fits (tweaked per the discussion). The rest are 0 SP MIL suits with around 10 copies of each. The last 3 fits are the racial frontline equivalents of the other races, so the new player is exposed to all racial flavors early on, in case they want to go in a different direction, and letting them know they're not "locked in" to their race's gear. I'd also like to see each new player get 1 MIL dropship and 1 MIL tank. The support suits feature each race's equipment and alternative weapon (e.g. Rep tool and mass driver).
The frontline fits should be competitive and fun--featuring the racial suit, tanking style, AR variant, and sidearm, the grenade and equipment on these should be more about being effective. The support roles are less about being super-effective, and more about exposing the player to the diversity of options available to them, letting them experience a broad crossection of the diverse gameplay options available in DUST, exposing them to a broad variety of roles, and hopefully helping them find a niche they enjoy.
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Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
142
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:44:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cruor Abominare wrote:Ahh geeze Rattatti, these things are death traps.
I'm assuming these are meant for new players?
You've got a bunch of 400 hp death traps. I know you're working on matchmaking but still any one with any sp is just going to collect the 50wp all day long.
You know what helps new people the most? Living longer. They're going to get chewed up in this game so the first goal to keep them hooked is to get them those first few kills under their belt. You do that by keeping them alive. We don't have a real tutorial to explain some of the finer mechanics of regen vs health armor vs shields etc. Stack them HP, keep them alive long enough to at least shoot back.
If CCP ever gives you resources again for a real patch then fight for a real tutorial to explain some mechanics in how they can change up their suit, but for the love of god don't just give them OHK suits to get picked off all day long.
Regen isn't going to help them if they just fall over after taking the first shot, hell regen mods in the game are pretty lack luster and require a lot of experience in understanding how and when to jump in and out of cover, things that are lost on newbies even if they've played FPS games for years. Every FPS game seems to cause complete amnesia on basic concepts for some reason.
I guess they're better than the current starter fits but last time i used one I laughed because they had unused slots anyways. I hear you, but they will be fighting each other in the Academy, so maybe it won't be as bad as you expect.
For how long? I'm sure you have the numbers on how long until the average new player ditches starter fits and at what sp they start to make their own fits or adjust starter fits.
As it is now, I see a frightening number of people making my sp grind easier in starter suits. Unless some one is q-dyncing half the team is usually running around in Frontline/medic/sniper/anti armor fits.
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Hobo on Fire
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
322
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:00:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines
Aside from contradicting the "racial philosphy" mentioned in the OP, this logic would apply better to primary/sidearm loadouts than anything to do with grenades. Pair an Assault Rifle with an SMG or bolt pistol to use as a finisher, or wipe your targets shields with a scram pistol before tearing into them with a combat rifle... it allows for more engagements between resupply than the two grenades you can carry.
If the idea is to use these as a baseline for better racial starter fits, spread the different grenade types between the different starter roles... flux for the frontline fits, AV grenades on the anti-vehicle fit, etc.
Also, I agree with those who say rep tool for Minmatar, and nanohives for Caldari.
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Juno Tristan
Inner.Hell
68
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:23:00 -
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Hobo on Fire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines Aside from contradicting the "racial philosphy" mentioned in the OP, this logic would apply better to primary/sidearm loadouts than anything to do with grenades. Pair an Assault Rifle with an SMG or bolt pistol to use as a finisher, or wipe your targets shields with a scram pistol before tearing into them with a combat rifle... it allows for more engagements between resupply than the two grenades you can carry. If the idea is to use these as a baseline for better racial starter fits, spread the different grenade types between the different starter roles... flux for the frontline fits, AV grenades on the anti-vehicle fit, etc. Also, I agree with those who say rep tool for Minmatar, and nanohives for Caldari.
This guy gets it, Scrambler Rifle and Scrambler Pistol Combo? death trap
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
669
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:57:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc)
Here goes:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
the shield tanks are pathetic. extenders need buffing as does raw shield hp, Scr and flux can completly wipe them out in the blink of an eye
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2763
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:20:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Energizer
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
Locus
Uplink
I think the choice of putting an Energizer in the high slot is strange. Considering the Amarr scout gets a passive precision bonus, why not make that a Precision Enhancer instead? This might more clearly communicate the Amarr battle philosophy... and prevent new players from thinking Amarr use shield tanking modules.
The triple ferroscale plates doesn't seem logical. Amarr should be more armor brick tanking. I suggest...
Armor Plates
Ferroscale Plates
Reactive Plates
This allows for more armor HP, minimizes the speed penalty from plates, and provides a small amount of armor rep.
CCP Rattati wrote:Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Recharger
Energizer
Regulator
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
Flux
Injector
Nothing wrong with this fit. It is very similar to the STD Caldari assault fit I run right now.
Side note: please either increase the amount of HP the Extender gives or increase the efficacy bonus of the Extender skill.
CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Regular Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Locus
Active Scanner
I would replace the armor plate with a reactive plate to further drive the rep tanking style Gallente use.
Side note: have you considered giving reactive plates the efficacy bonus from the Armor Repair Systems skill?
CCP Rattati wrote:Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
That nanohive seems out of place. I know the logic is that the CR and FL will eat up ammo, but it just feels weird to have a piece of Caldari tech on a Minmatar dropsuit. Would RE's be too much of a stretch? It could help drive home the idea of the hit-and-run gorilla tactics the Minmatar should use.
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
374
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:16:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Snake Sellors wrote:
Just a small note on the caldari, the only issue (and it is with all caldari) is that you will be losing a good chunk of your extender due to the penalties you get from the energizer. it's a direct contradiction.
I haven't played shield suits in a while after switching to Amarr Logi but when Energizers were first introduced they only affected the base shield hp, has this been changed? I've never seen any patch notes on that.
Sorry i guess i wasn't clear,
I mean that with an extender you are increasing your shield hp, (complex is 66 hp)
But when you fit an energizer you remove a % of shield hp as a penalty for faster regen.
but a recharger increases regen (not as much as an extender) without reducing hp.
given that fluxes can take out shields completely and that caldari don't have much armour, both hp and regen are important so you would need to use rechargers instead of energizers so that you get the most out of your extenders.
otherwise you will for example add on 66 shield hit points with your complex extender then fit your extender which now removes 16 hp leaving your extender giving you 50 hp basically dropping it a full tier.
(numbers plucked out of the air, )
so it is a contradiction to add health to shields with one module whilst taking away health to shields with another, when there is a way to boost regen without losing hp. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1667
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:58:00 -
[68] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes.
I don't like where you're going with this. I thought the point of the game was to allow you to customize your fit, not push you into one 'racially exclusive' playstyle. |
ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
3243
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:59:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Snake Sellors wrote:
Just a small note on the caldari, the only issue (and it is with all caldari) is that you will be losing a good chunk of your extender due to the penalties you get from the energizer. it's a direct contradiction.
I haven't played shield suits in a while after switching to Amarr Logi but when Energizers were first introduced they only affected the base shield hp, has this been changed? I've never seen any patch notes on that. Sorry i guess i wasn't clear, I mean that with an extender you are increasing your shield hp, (complex is 66 hp) But when you fit an energizer you remove a % of shield hp as a penalty for faster regen. but a recharger increases regen (not as much as an extender) without reducing hp. given that fluxes can take out shields completely and that caldari don't have much armour, both hp and regen are important so you would need to use rechargers instead of energizers so that you get the most out of your extenders. otherwise you will for example add on 66 shield hit points with your complex extender then fit your extender which now removes 16 hp leaving your extender giving you 50 hp basically dropping it a full tier. (numbers plucked out of the air, ) so it is a contradiction to add health to shields with one module whilst taking away health to shields with another, when there is a way to boost regen without losing hp.
Back when I played Cal Logi it was always worth the slight hp penalty to just use the energizer. At standard its 2% iirc, which results in almost no lose of base hp for better regen.
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
2216
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:03:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes. I don't like where you're going with this. I thought the point of the game was to allow you to customize your fit, not push you into one 'racially exclusive' playstyle.
You can still customize the fits. This is about exposing the new player to the various racial combat "philosophies."
Best PvE idea ever!
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
3278
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:59:00 -
[71] - Quote
The Gallente and Amarr fits look good as far as I can tell, but I have to disagree with the Caldari and Minmatar fits.
The Caldari, preferring thicker shields, should have 2 extenders and a recharger in the highs, and keep the regulator in the low.
The Minmatar, preferring high regen, low downtime, should have an extender and energizer in the highs, and then a kincat and a regulator in the lows.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Liara Kaiba
Shadow Broker Wet Squad
1
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:10:00 -
[72] - Quote
Here are my STD fits:
Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Ferroscale Plate
Ferroscale Plate
Armor Repairer
Scrambler Rifle
Scrambler Pistol
None
Uplink
Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L)
Extender
Extender
Extender
Armor Repairer
Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol
AV Grenades
Injector
Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L)
Damage Mod
Ferroscale Plate
Armor Repairer
Armor Repairer
Assault Rifle
Ion Pistol
Flux
Active Scanner
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Extender
Ferroscale Plate
Armor Repairer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Locus
Repair Tool
My thoughts : Weapon, equipment and grenades are race-related. Modules aren't purely race/lore related but instead chosen to make them playable and then as much as possible racial. People might want to use that out of academyGǪ :) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5892
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:50:00 -
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You mean to tell me you don't expect plays to brick tank everything?
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
357
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:47:00 -
[74] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Cruor Abominare wrote:Ahh geeze Rattatti, these things are death traps.
I'm assuming these are meant for new players?
You've got a bunch of 400 hp death traps. I know you're working on matchmaking but still any one with any sp is just going to collect the 50wp all day long.
You know what helps new people the most? Living longer. They're going to get chewed up in this game so the first goal to keep them hooked is to get them those first few kills under their belt. You do that by keeping them alive. We don't have a real tutorial to explain some of the finer mechanics of regen vs health armor vs shields etc. Stack them HP, keep them alive long enough to at least shoot back.
If CCP ever gives you resources again for a real patch then fight for a real tutorial to explain some mechanics in how they can change up their suit, but for the love of god don't just give them OHK suits to get picked off all day long.
Regen isn't going to help them if they just fall over after taking the first shot, hell regen mods in the game are pretty lack luster and require a lot of experience in understanding how and when to jump in and out of cover, things that are lost on newbies even if they've played FPS games for years. Every FPS game seems to cause complete amnesia on basic concepts for some reason.
I guess they're better than the current starter fits but last time i used one I laughed because they had unused slots anyways. I hear you, but they will be fighting each other in the Academy, so maybe it won't be as bad as you expect.
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:06:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender
Recharger
Reactive Plate
Kinetic Catelyzer
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol
Flux
Nanohive
As a specialized minmatar i can't really say for other suits so i leave that to their players who specialize in that role. I can say that this fitting fits the role of the minmatar pretty well except for a few things. Although the fit is sound, in order to promote a better overall effective play-style their would need to be changes for racial parity.
Hit and run tactics favor
- High regen (Recovering lost health quick and fast is key to survival as you never know when an enemy might appear or against a very aggressive enemy who catches you off guard being able to avoid contact even momentarily will put you back in the fight)
- Speed ( Hitting the enemy in the least expected areas and disengaging when necessary and reliably)
- high rof or alpha damage (reduces enemy chance to react and return fire)
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)
Extender - This is good
Recharger (Energizer) - I would use a basic energizer, i find it more useful for hit and run despite the hit to shields but good for starter
Reactive Plate - This is fine i run this exclusively on my min assaults. Some would argue ferroscale but only if you have the slot for a dedicated armor rep. Some of my advanced suits have ferroscale. Although reactives being emphasized isn't bad you get armor and reps with minimal speed penalty. With only 2 lows at basic this is common sense.
Kinetic Catelyzer (Shield Regulator?)- This is something im on the fence about. Speed is useful but i find the high regen stamina to be more than enough for mobility sake. A shield regulator reduces downtime for shields which although a min needs to dual tank having shields regain that much quicker increases survivability combines with reactive makes a good dual tank min fit. Perhaps more useful on a medical oriented assault fit.
Combat Rifle - Normal
Flaylock Pistol (SMG) - Once again im on the fence. SMG comes in handy givin the high RoF of the CR and that fact that most starting users will hate the burst until they get used to its quirks. I will give this a pass only and if only the flaylock gets a decent buff) SMG is a definite for a front-line assault
Flux (Locus Grenade)- I know what you are thinking (having armor focused weapons this would compliment dropping of an enemy's shieds and putting the work the CR or FP) but racial parity would use a locus grenade.
Nanohive - This is fine
TLDR;
Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L)[/u][/b]
Extender
Energizer
Reactive Plate
Shield Regulator
Combat Rifle
Flaylock Pistol/SMG
Locus
Nanohive
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:28:00 -
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Caldari need 3 extenders or 2 extenders and a recharger. Caldari tank with high shields and low Regan.
Shoot Scout with yes.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:42:00 -
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My amar standard assault 1 complex rep.1 enhanced rep 1 enhanced plate laser rifle scp enhanced light damage mod stnd flux nano
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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