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Cruor Abominare wrote:

Ahh geeze Rattatti, these things are death traps.

I'm assuming these are meant for new players?

You've got a bunch of 400 hp death traps. I know you're working on matchmaking but still any one with any sp is just going to collect the 50wp all day long.

You know what helps new people the most? Living longer. They're going to get chewed up in this game so the first goal to keep them hooked is to get them those first few kills under their belt. You do that by keeping them alive. We don't have a real tutorial to explain some of the finer mechanics of regen vs health armor vs shields etc. Stack them HP, keep them alive long enough to at least shoot back.

If CCP ever gives you resources again for a real patch then fight for a real tutorial to explain some mechanics in how they can change up their suit, but for the love of god don't just give them OHK suits to get picked off all day long.

Regen isn't going to help them if they just fall over after taking the first shot, hell regen mods in the game are pretty lack luster and require a lot of experience in understanding how and when to jump in and out of cover, things that are lost on newbies even if they've played FPS games for years. Every FPS game seems to cause complete amnesia on basic concepts for some reason.

I guess they're better than the current starter fits but last time i used one I laughed because they had unused slots anyways.

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5886	Posted - 2014.08.28 08:32:00 - [1] - Quote Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes. We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc) Here goes: Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L) Energizer Ferroscale Plate Ferroscale Plate Ferroscale Plate Scrambler Rifle Scrambler Pistol Locus Uplink Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L) Extender Recharger Energizer Regulator Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol Flux Injector Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L) Damage Mod Regular Plate Armor Repairer Armor Repairer Assault Rifle Ion Pistol Locus Active Scanner Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L) Extender Recharger Reactive Plate Kinetic Catelyzer Combat Rifle Flaylock Pistol Flux Nanohive "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5896	Posted - 2014.08.28 09:45:00 - [2] - Quote Meee One wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: snip Amarr:change ferros to basic plates,replace the energizer with a damage mod (brick tank) Caldari: replace the recharger with another extender (thick shields) Gal: replace the plate with a reactive (less armor,rep tank) Min:replace the reactive with a ferros ,replace the kincat with a regulator (speedy,shield rep tank) I actually liked energizer to represent the "brick", strong shield, otherwise to similar to GA Amarr - I am not a fan of using all basics, it makes it too slow which is why I picked ferros, Caldari - Maybe, I don't like brick ehp tanking Gal - Agree Min - Again, I wanted to have one kincat on one of the fits, but if you don't have a reactive, there is no armor rep for hit and run Keep them coming, it's fun to discuss this actually as it brings out maybe what needs to be done to properly align philosophies and fitting (and the module stats themselves) "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5905	Posted - 2014.08.28 11:15:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Most of these suits in a real scenario would opt to use a reactive plate or repairer (except gallente) in their lows. I think we can create slightly more diversity if we gave every suit a small amount of passive armor repair maybe 1 to Cal and min and 2 or 3 to amarr and buff Gallente by 2 or 3. That's a maybe this could just backfire and just give people more repair on top of reactive but what I would like to see it do is let people not have to worry about fitting a reactive plate on their shield fits. Something I have given a lot of thought, maybe all suits having 1 so you don't have to use a whole low slot, but requires you to hide out for some time while regening armor. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6052	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:58:00 - [4] - Quote Minmatar - nanohive, mainly because of Combat Rifle ROF Caldari - injector, one of the fits needed an injector and one a scanner, I felt the scanner was more gallente and in an advanced army like the caldari army "every life counts" Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes. Utility overrules the race in that case. Not for the pistols though, I want them proper. If they are not viable, they need to be made viable. The rest that were helpful, thanks. I think having this discussion highlights some fundamental differences in viability and theme. Something we can use to identify modules to improve upon. On the Amarr plates, I would actually put one of each type, heavy armour, light armour and rep armour, also to show case all three. Overall the Caldari gets the most feedback, that just further underlines that the shield modules and how they work together doesn't "click" properly. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6066	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:08:00 - [5] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes. Utility overrules the race in that case. But most of use agree that pairing weapon's damage profile and grenade damage is the more utilitarian procedure. I think it's silly that this is the best option, but Rattati will ignore that and stick with LW/SA combinations that are not complimentary yet he'll apply the grenade in a way that's complimentary to his Light Weapon. Actually, most of you just said "it looks Gallente, it must be on the Gallente Suit.... Amarr and AV grenade may very well make sense but I don't want new players to have an AV grenade as it may not behave as they expect. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6066	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:09:00 - [6] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Can we please get your opinion on racially themed fits based on standard quality, please don't read too much into it, we are just trying to get the themes and fittings "right". It also goes a little into earmarking modules as racial preferences, as it relates to possible efficacy changes in future Hotfixes. We also don't want every fit to be the same, so trying to get a blend of all the basic modules without sacrificing quality, these are meant to be competitive. But they are also meant to teach the "philosophy" at a glance and increase awareness of proper racial fitting, as well as mentality (speed tank, and damage profiles matching the grenades etc) Here goes: Amarr Medium Assault (1H-3L) Energizer Ferroscale Plate Ferroscale Plate Ferroscale Plate Scrambler Rifle Scrambler Pistol Locus Uplink Caldari Medium Assault (3H-1L) Extender Recharger Energizer Regulator Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol Flux Injector Gallente Medium Assault (1H-3L) Damage Mod Regular Plate Armor Repairer Armor Repairer Assault Rifle Ion Pistol Locus Active Scanner Minmatar Medium Assault (2H-2L) Extender Recharger Reactive Plate Kinetic Catelyzer Combat Rifle Flaylock Pistol Flux Nanohive Gallente Flux Caldari Locus Why have a grenade that is more effective fighting yourself than the enemy? You are not supposed to throw it at yourself "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6066	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:17:00 - [7] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Gallente and Amarr both have locuses because their weapons have a damage profile against shields Vice versa for Minmatar and Caldari, their weapons are better against arnor so they get the fluxes. I thought plasma Rifles bonus were to armor http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Types "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6072	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:57:00 - [8] - Quote DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6076	Posted - 2014.08.29 02:45:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: ladwar wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DUST 514 has mercenaries that pick and choose their combat loadout, not army issued. In many cases though, they would be veterans and therefore retain some of their respective army's philosophies and doctrines Im getting the feeling your worse then IWS for dust. Thats sad in every way Oh god. IWS and his Omni tanking superiority barking. I hope people realize he's not specialized enough to get the full grasp on the things he uses and gets used on him and that goes for everyone that wants to level 1 everything before getting being more specific. Stop derailing the thread "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6111	Posted - 2014.08.29 07:10:00 - [10] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: Ahh geeze Rattatti, these things are death traps. I'm assuming these are meant for new players? You've got a bunch of 400 hp death traps. I know you're working on matchmaking but still any one with any sp is just going to collect the 50wp all day long. You know what helps new people the most? Living longer. They're going to get chewed up in this game so the first goal to keep them hooked is to get them those first few kills under their belt. You do that by keeping them alive. We don't have a real tutorial to explain some of the finer mechanics of regen vs health armor vs shields etc. Stack them HP, keep them alive long enough to at least shoot back. If CCP ever gives you resources again for a real patch then fight for a real tutorial to explain some mechanics in how they can change up their suit, but for the love of god don't just give them OHK suits to get picked off all day long. Regen isn't going to help them if they just fall over after taking the first shot, hell regen mods in the game are pretty lack luster and require a lot of experience in understanding how and when to jump in and out of cover, things that are lost on newbies even if they've played FPS games for years. Every FPS game seems to cause complete amnesia on basic concepts for some reason. I guess they're better than the current starter fits but last time i used one I laughed because they had unused slots anyways. I hear you, but they will be fighting each other in the Academy, so maybe it won't be as bad as you expect. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"