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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1742
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:09:00 -
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Everyone wants balance and so do I and that is why the cloak must go, immediately. I am tired of being sucker punched every match, out strafed to the point I lost to a militia SmG as the Cal scout went left and right back and forth and due to poor hit detection , the scout having a quarter of my hit box was able to jump, glide back and forth to the point my HMG could not keep up. I tried to strafe and follow the target but I could not. It was damn near impossible. As soon as your about the to win they cloak and run faster than you can turn a corner.
The fact I go to hack an objective and nothing shows on my radar, so I begin to hack and of course a SG goes off or CR I turn to return fire and my weapon will not fire do to a glitch yet to be fixed. So I am standing for 2-3 seconds trying to survive as the Cal scout bounces all over the place. Or your heading to your destination and three scouts will decloak and begin to make your life miserable.
The fact a scout can appear out of nowhere, then proceed to whittle you down with a basic CR or militia SmG as you try and hit them is almost impossible. The fact there is not one negative to being a scout at all. They can tank more than an assault, run the same equipment as a Logi, and is faster and better at CQC than a heavy which still boggles the mind.
The scout had issues before the cloak but the cloak has ruined this game IMO. If it was removed then balance would be possible.
My question to CCP how do you defend against a target you cant see. Sure I can see what is front of me but how many times have you been ambushed by group of scouts that appeared out of nowhere.
Cloaks need to be removed or you have to give us a way of seeing them. If I have to run scout to kill a cloaked scout I will quit.
The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed.
Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2711
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:13:00 -
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Cloaks don't make people invisible.
I die plenty while cloaked, and kill plenty while they are cloaked.
It is not the problem you think it is.
This is how a minja feels
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5296
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:16:00 -
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'' I am tired of being sucker punched every match, out strafed to the point I lost to a militia SmG as the Cal scout went left and right back and forth and due to poor hit detection , the scout having a quarter of my hit box was able to jump, glide back and forth to the point my HMG could not keep up. I tried to strafe and follow the target but I could not. It was damn near impossible. As soon as your about the to win they cloak and run faster than you can turn a corner.''
Sorry Mr.Calvin. Being Butthurt is not a good reason to remove something from a game.
Plus= Cloaks = More scouts = More fun for my HMG
Stealth Storm
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The Eristic
Dust 90210
569
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:27:00 -
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Eh, I have no real problem with the cloak. I honestly think they should last a little longer and have a bit more dampening than they do now. (Not as much as when they first dropped, though.) The problem with scouts is the ability to hit pretty big HP for their inherent speed/mobility combined with dodgy hit detection (which *might* be related to said speed). Cloak is a non-issue for me except on certain maps/moods where the shimmer doesn't render correctly.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1742
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:28:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' I am tired of being sucker punched every match, out strafed to the point I lost to a militia SmG as the Cal scout went left and right back and forth and due to poor hit detection , the scout having a quarter of my hit box was able to jump, glide back and forth to the point my HMG could not keep up. I tried to strafe and follow the target but I could not. It was damn near impossible. As soon as your about the to win they cloak and run faster than you can turn a corner.''
Sorry Mr.Calvin. Being Butthurt is not a good reason to remove something from a game.
Plus= Cloaks = More scouts = More fun for my HMG
Plus : Scouts are MEANT to play solo. They cannot move with a whole squad due to their location being revealed due to their squadmates precision. They are low HP solo players most of the time....
If you were hacking an objective...ALONE... means you were trying to do the scout's job. You deserve a SG/NK/ACR to the neck.
Go in a squad or at least 2 other friends, check for R/E, hack safely.
Its not being butthurt. Second one does hacking become a scout only roll. The cloak is OP and no matter how many come to the cloaks defense it will be until there is a way to counter it without the use of another scout.
Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
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hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
221
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:29:00 -
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If we remove hmgs |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:35:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Everyone wants balance and so do I and that is why the cloak must go, immediately. I am tired of being sucker punched every match, out strafed to the point I lost to a militia SmG as the Cal scout went left and right back and forth and due to poor hit detection , the scout having a quarter of my hit box was able to jump, glide back and forth to the point my HMG could not keep up. I tried to strafe and follow the target but I could not. It was damn near impossible. As soon as your about the to win they cloak and run faster than you can turn a corner. The fact I go to hack an objective and nothing shows on my radar , so I begin to hack and of course a SG goes off or CR I turn to return fire and my weapon will not fire do to a glitch yet to be fixed. So I am standing for 2-3 seconds trying to survive as the Cal scout bounces all over the place. Or your heading to your destination and three scouts will decloak and begin to make your life miserable. The fact a scout can appear out of nowhere, then proceed to whittle you down with a basic CR or militia SmG as you try and hit them is almost impossible. The fact there is not one negative to being a scout at all. They can tank more than an assault, run the same equipment as a Logi, and is faster and better at CQC than a heavy which still boggles the mind. The scout had issues before the cloak but the cloak has ruined this game IMO. If it was removed then balance would be possible. My question to CCP how do you defend against a target you cant see. Sure I can see what is front of me but how many times have you been ambushed by group of scouts that appeared out of nowhere. Cloaks need to be removed or you have to give us a way of seeing them. If I have to run scout to kill a cloaked scout I will quit. The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed.
You can see a cloaked scout, it kinda like in the predator movies and when they run you see a blue shimmer. Also your cross hairs turn red when they cross your path so that is a second way to see a cloaked scout.
They also a made a delay in the time to fire when you switch to your weapon but it does not work if the cloak just runs out of time.
All in all i agree that scouts are OP and the new flavor of the month, but let wait to see what the next hot fix brings us in the way scouts work.
I am a scout and sometimes sniper and i have no trouble seeing a cloaked scout on the field |
calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1742
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:43:00 -
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its not about seeing the scout it is the fact they do not show up on radar and is able to see your position and the way your facing. A flux should be able to prevent a cloak from working temporary and should cause a cool down before reuse.
Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2716
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:49:00 -
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calvin b wrote:its not about seeing the scout it is the fact they do not show up on radar and is able to see your position and the way your facing. A flux should be able to prevent a cloak from working temporary and should cause a cool down before reuse. Cloaks offer such poor dampening now, this isn't a problem.
Std cloaks have 0% dampening.
I believe Adv cloak, which I use, only has 5%.
That is not what makes us invisible to your tacnet. Its dampeners. Removing cloak will do nothing to prevent people from blind siding you. Even newer scouts would eventually learn to find cover, and learn the nooks and crannies and ways of getting around that help prevent being seen. Then what would you have them remove?
Scouts aren't supposed to be seen. That is the point of them. That is why the new hotfix is enabling all scouts to be tacnet invisible with enough sacrifice.
If you know that there could be dampened scouts, turn around every now and then. I can promise you a target that checks his back regularly is a much scarier target to approach as a scout. I can promise you that your problem isn't going away soon. Adapt or die.
This is how a minja feels
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire.
10573
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:55:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:' Go in a squad or at least 2 other friends I don't support the removal of Cloaks, but that's "Tanker's Logic".
The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers!
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Mike De Luca
STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME
190
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:55:00 -
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Dude, if you're in a heavy....you're not gonna see jack shot on the tacnet other than other heavies, you want ewar? join the scouts or be quiet.
And turn around every once in awhile, specifically when entering and leaving buildings, idk how many I've killed with an std smg on my av fit (cal sent w/iafg) just because i use my eyes instead of trying to rely on tacnet 24/7.
what i think of when charging fg
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Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:02:00 -
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Damn ninja's. |
Minion Max
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:07:00 -
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I do not use the Cloaking Fields, but it sure is fun to drop someone running across open space cloaked. Each Suite and Roll should have one advantage to make it worth someones time to play. I hate Warbird Strikes on a home spawn point, but it is a game, vent and move on to next battle.
Semper Fi.
Cpl, 87-95
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5301
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:19:00 -
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calvin b wrote:
Its not being butthurt. Second one does hacking become a scout only roll. The cloak is OP and no matter how many come to the cloaks defense it will be until there is a way to counter it without the use of another scout.
Nono, dont put words in my mouth. I never said hacking was a scout only role. HACKING ALONE is.
You think the cloak is OP!? USE IT! YEs run around in a 200-500HP scout and FEEL the HMG...XD
But dont worry,you'll do fine.Its so Op you will surely start going 30-3 with ti.
GG Calvin.
Stealth Storm
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5301
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:21:00 -
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Atiim wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:' Go in a squad or at least 2 other friends I don't support the removal of Cloaks, but that's "Tanker's Logic".
No its not.
I can still be taken out by a single enemy infantry unit.
: O
Im just saying that since Calvin here assures its impossible to kill cloaked scouts.
Stealth Storm
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11945
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:22:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Atiim wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:' Go in a squad or at least 2 other friends I don't support the removal of Cloaks, but that's "Tanker's Logic". TANKERS LOGIC
#Mindfuckingblownwideopen
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Fizzer94
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2945
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:23:00 -
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calvin b wrote:
Its not being butthurt. Second one does hacking become a scout only roll. The cloak is OP and no matter how many come to the cloaks defense it will be until there is a way to counter it without the use of another scout.
Gal logi. It doesn't even NEED to be a Gal Logi. A focused scanner will pick up 99% of all scouts. Only a small fraction of Gal Scouts will be able to avoid it.
My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon.
Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1211
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:34:00 -
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I'm sorry, Calvin, I'll try not to do it again. :) |
Thurak1
Psygod9
820
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:55:00 -
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I hate the cloaker scouts myself but mostly for how devastating the SG is up close and how hard the buggers are to hit. When facing a scout there are a few things i can figure out instantly. Like if they are using a kb/mouse and if they have a clue. KB/mouse scouts that know what they are doing are dammed near impossible to kill they are like bouncing flying cat ninjas! they are just all over the dam place. Even with my HMG at nearly point blank i am lucky to even hit them never mind take their shields down. scouts using a controller even if they are experienced are much easier to hit and their movements far less erratic. Most of the time i can turn them into a pile of ooze. Scouts that are newbs well they sometimes just stand there like a practice dummy. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2722
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:03:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:I hate the cloaker scouts myself but mostly for how devastating the SG is up close and how hard the buggers are to hit. When facing a scout there are a few things i can figure out instantly. Like if they are using a kb/mouse and if they have a clue. KB/mouse scouts that know what they are doing are dammed near impossible to kill they are like bouncing flying cat ninjas! they are just all over the dam place. Even with my HMG at nearly point blank i am lucky to even hit them never mind take their shields down. scouts using a controller even if they are experienced are much easier to hit and their movements far less erratic. Most of the time i can turn them into a pile of ooze. Scouts that are newbs well they sometimes just stand there like a practice dummy. My favorite noob scouts are the ones that don't dampen, and then cloak, running around all blurry with a red chevron above their head.
Silly noobs.
This is how a minja feels
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5307
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
#Mindfuckingblownwideopen
WTH!? Im never implying scouts shouldn't be taken out 1 v 1! THATS tanker logic. 1inf cant beat 1 tank <==tank logic 2+infs to beat 1 tank <=== Tank logic
You know what!? im not even going to discuss this. If someone is having this much trouble fighting cloaked scouts they obviously do not belong here.
As it is,the scout is the squishiest thing o the battlefield, so much NANOHIVES have more HP than some of my proto scouts that cost 190k+
The Cloak is the thing that makes it work.
You remove it , you nerf scouts. You nerf scouts , scouts get stressed and LEave or even worse, become heavies...
here is a tip: Im lately playing as a Heavy if the enemy is swarming scouts,mostly because i find it easier the Heavy vs Scout matchup than the Scout vs Scout one. When im playing as a heavy, this is the trick....ITs secret, dont tell anyone :
''I dont hack objectives if im alone, if i get to an objective and i clear it/its clear i use my mic and ask for backup.''
Let the smucks do the dirty work... They get 100wp for hacking the objective and you get 50wp X each scout trying to stop the hack... I know.im genius.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
575
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:11:00 -
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calvin b wrote:The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed.
You are a closed beta vet so you know all about ewar. What is you reason behind not speccing into cal scout in order to get more TACNET info and achieve greater awareness?
A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected.
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Echoist
Dogs of War Gaming
314
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:12:00 -
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my solution to scout is quite simple... well actually I have two. 1.) My Ion Pistol will make quick work of scouts it's actually quite funny since they don't expect people to run the Ion Pistol, so they just think you only have automatic weapons. 2.) If I know there are a lot of scouts in the match I'm in I'll put myself in a look out position with my Laser Rifle, it's amazing how many of those scouts think no one is looking until they're burning...
Dropship Rail Gunner
STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.
Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
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Mike De Luca
STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME
192
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:16:00 -
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Clone D wrote:calvin b wrote:The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed. You are a closed beta vet so you know all about ewar. What is you reason behind not speccing into cal scout in order to get more TACNET info and achieve greater awareness? Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, he's a beta vet? wtf?!? I know more about this **** than he does and I'm just at 5 months!
what i think of when charging fg
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1215
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:19:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote: When facing a scout there are a few things i can figure out instantly. Like if they are using a kb/mouse and if they have a clue. KB/mouse scouts that know what they are doing are dammed near impossible to kill they are like bouncing flying cat ninjas! they are just all over the dam place. Even with my HMG at nearly point blank i am lucky to even hit them never mind take their shields down. scouts using a controller even if they are experienced are much easier to hit and their movements far less erratic. Most of the time i can turn them into a pile of ooze.
Huh? Are you serious?
How you can possibly tell who is using a MKB and who is using a DS3 by how they jump or how erratically they move is COMPLETELY beyond me, and I suspect you are simply projecting false logic to a problem of varied skill levels in your opponents.
The best five scouts I know all use DS3. In fact, I don't know of a A+ scout (or, frankly any top infantry slayer) that uses MKB. They might be out there -- and if anyone knows of one, please do correct me -- but I've not met them.
Have you used a MKB with Dust?
It's what I usually play with -- so please trust me when I tell you it's not MKB that you're seeing. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1216
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:29:00 -
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Clone D wrote:calvin b wrote:The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed. You are a closed beta vet so you know all about ewar. What is you reason behind not speccing into cal scout in order to get more TACNET info and achieve greater awareness?
God love him, Calvin just likes to complain. That's his MO, and this thread is simply one of many -- all with the same tone.
I think it's kind of cute and often make fun of him.
He rarely takes my bait any more.
Calv, All jokes aside, I hope you're doing well. |
Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1713
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:51:00 -
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This thread. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
821
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:05:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Thurak1 wrote: When facing a scout there are a few things i can figure out instantly. Like if they are using a kb/mouse and if they have a clue. KB/mouse scouts that know what they are doing are dammed near impossible to kill they are like bouncing flying cat ninjas! they are just all over the dam place. Even with my HMG at nearly point blank i am lucky to even hit them never mind take their shields down. scouts using a controller even if they are experienced are much easier to hit and their movements far less erratic. Most of the time i can turn them into a pile of ooze.
Huh? Are you serious? How you can possibly tell who is using a MKB and who is using a DS3 by how they jump or how erratically they move is COMPLETELY beyond me, and I suspect you are simply projecting false logic to a problem of varied skill levels in your opponents. The best five scouts I know all use DS3. In fact, I don't know of a A+ scout (or, frankly any top infantry slayer) that uses MKB. They might be out there -- and if anyone knows of one, please do correct me -- but I've not met them. Have you used a MKB with Dust? It's what I usually play with -- so please trust me when I tell you it's not MKB that you're seeing. its pretty simple really. With the ds3 there is a acceleration curve with movement. With the keyboard there isnt a curve. I am surprised you can't tell. Its far easier to move around in different directions with a kb than with a controller. Yes i play with a keyboard and mouse from time to time. I am still getting used to it and the menu controlls stink but otherwise it is far better for movement. Just because you havent meet such a player does not actually mean anything. Honestly though i think you are just trolling because i can't believe anyone thinks that something with an acceleration curve is better than something with 0 curve. |
Yeeeuuuupppp
uptown456 Dark Taboo
478
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:10:00 -
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Cloaks definitely need to go. I don't care what your argument is against the removal, it should have never been added
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1109
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:02:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Everyone wants balance and so do I and that is why the cloak must go, immediately. I am tired of being sucker punched every match, out strafed to the point I lost to a militia SmG as the Cal scout went left and right back and forth and due to poor hit detection , the scout having a quarter of my hit box was able to jump, glide back and forth to the point my HMG could not keep up. I tried to strafe and follow the target but I could not. It was damn near impossible. As soon as your about the to win they cloak and run faster than you can turn a corner. The fact I go to hack an objective and nothing shows on my radar , so I begin to hack and of course a SG goes off or CR I turn to return fire and my weapon will not fire do to a glitch yet to be fixed. So I am standing for 2-3 seconds trying to survive as the Cal scout bounces all over the place. Or your heading to your destination and three scouts will decloak and begin to make your life miserable. The fact a scout can appear out of nowhere, then proceed to whittle you down with a basic CR or militia SmG as you try and hit them is almost impossible. The fact there is not one negative to being a scout at all. They can tank more than an assault, run the same equipment as a Logi, and is faster and better at CQC than a heavy which still boggles the mind. The scout had issues before the cloak but the cloak has ruined this game IMO. If it was removed then balance would be possible. My question to CCP how do you defend against a target you cant see. Sure I can see what is front of me but how many times have you been ambushed by group of scouts that appeared out of nowhere. Cloaks need to be removed or you have to give us a way of seeing them. If I have to run scout to kill a cloaked scout I will quit. The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed.
Yeah man, I agree with Checkmate.... It soulds like you got caught with your pants down and got killed by a scout. Should you have been in a squad like a heavy is supposed to be this would not have happened. The scout was playing to his strengths and you were not. Cloaks are fine.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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