Everyone wants balance and so do I and that is why the cloak must go, immediately. I am tired of being sucker punched every match, out strafed to the point I lost to a militia SmG as the Cal scout went left and right back and forth and due to poor hit detection , the scout having a quarter of my hit box was able to jump, glide back and forth to the point my HMG could not keep up. I tried to strafe and follow the target but I could not. It was damn near impossible. As soon as your about the to win they cloak and run faster than you can turn a corner.

The fact I go to hack an objective and nothing shows on my radar, so I begin to hack and of course a SG goes off or CR I turn to return fire and my weapon will not fire do to a glitch yet to be fixed. So I am standing for 2-3 seconds trying to survive as the Cal scout bounces all over the place. Or your heading to your destination and three scouts will decloak and begin to make your life miserable.

The fact a scout can appear out of nowhere, then proceed to whittle you down with a basic CR or militia SmG as you try and hit them is almost impossible. The fact there is not one negative to being a scout at all. They can tank more than an assault, run the same equipment as a Logi, and is faster and better at CQC than a heavy which still boggles the mind.

The scout had issues before the cloak but the cloak has ruined this game IMO. If it was removed then balance would be possible.

My question to CCP how do you defend against a target you cant see. Sure I can see what is front of me but how many times have you been ambushed by group of scouts that appeared out of nowhere.

Cloaks need to be removed or you have to give us a way of seeing them. If I have to run scout to kill a cloaked scout I will quit.

The cloak has been one of the most lopsided items placed in the game IMO and needs to be removed.

Your being ignorant and frankly stupid.


Planetside 2 you can shoot while cloaked.. And good luck seeing someone actually cloaked.


The way DUST 514 and CCP did cloaking.. It doesn't get more balanced.


What makes cloaking a problem in DUST? the Radar. CCP trains noobs in this game to look for red... and a red chevron. And players build up total dependency on that radar for nearly everything.

Me Personally? I have stopped using it except to tell me the general direction of the action.

Your EYES are OP. Specially against DUST 514's cloaks.


You would literally only have had played couple of games in your life time to even see DUST's cloak mechanics in that way. Cuz when compared to cloaking mechanics in several games it doesn't get more balanced.

Why the hostility? If a basic light frame scan range is 22m (20m + 2m for range amp bonus), and server lag is ~ 1 second, and the aggressing scout has a speed of ~ 10 m/s and their weapon range is ~12m, and they run directly at you, then by the time they show up on radar, they will be 12m from you and pull the trigger. Is that so hard to work out?

My max scout speeds are above 10 m/s. I don't know where you're getting your info.

You have a game client and I have a game client and there is a server in between.

Let's say that it takes ~500ms for your game client to send info to the server, and ~500 ms for the server to send info to my game client.

Your distance from me, time elapsed, information whereabouts

22m, 0ms, your client
18m, 500ms, server
12m, 1000ms, my client (you appear on TACNET to me)
you pull the trigger and bang I am dead

In this way, there is a fringe of invisibility in TACNET, determined by the relative speeds of objects surrounding the player and where information is being processed and how long packets take to travel from network location to network location.

Mr. Calvin b is right, and we all know it. Like the flaylock pistol before it, the cloak is being abused?! There is no fixing this item, however?! Unless we are able to scan cloaks, they need to be removed. Cool trick, but it has obviously worn out it's welcome. Why this even needs to be explained is beyond me smh?! Those here who run cloaked scouts are here just trolling this forum?! You, most of all, know full well running cloaked scouts is a walk in the park. You should be ashamed, but your the type of guys who just wanna win easily?! Scouting in this game, for the first time ever, was a skill before the cloak. Now it's just a bunch of guys who got killed by assaults taking their revenge lol! Sure you die occasionally, but let's be realistic just a little here?!

To come to this forum, and say scouting is balanced is the same as tankers coming here 2 weeks after 1.7 saying tanks and AV are balanced?! Scouts are in a class of their own entirely! No assault player can hang with them! Heavies are shooting at everything, and not hitting the scouts at all?!

Now as an amatuer scout I will tell you Mr. Calvin b that if CCP wants to give the cloak to the scouts they might as well use it, but real scouts don't need cloaks. If you are good at scouting the cloak is overkill in all honesty. Soon, with a wing and a prayer, the scouts will see more balance with hotfix charlie and have to choose between dampening, precision, speed, and protection like the rest of us. Currently they can do it all, and cloak?! That isn't balance scouts?! Remember 1.7, and how tanks made the game impossible for you.

Instead of trolling anyone who states the obvious about the cloak, how about showing them how practical it is. Suggest some fixes toward imbalance, and help the community understand why you do indeed need the cloak. Alot of you have this "can't beat em join em" mentality that will have everyone in a scout by tomorrow morning if it was up to you?! I implore you to remember why it is that we stopped playing call of duty to play dust in the first place? Diversity, versatility, and customization! The FOTM mentality mustn't shape this game. If that's the case, and I just need to do like everyone else, then I want a respect every time a new weapon drops?! It's absurd right? I want to specialize, and I can't do that if I have to waste points on something I don't run to keep up with the game?!

Let's be clear! Nerfing all rifles to fix the fact that the rail rifle and combat rifle was OP didn't work?! That's why the AR got a buff! It, along with the rest of the gallente weapons, are mediocre at best. Dropping everything along with the OP weapons still made the OP weapons OP smh?! If you keep giving amazing evidence to the community as to why the cloak is not needed it will get axed whether you like it or not geniuses?! CCP rattati isn't for imbalance, and if you guys haven't noticed already? He has the reigns on things right now, and he's gunning for balance!

Cloaks are fine except the ability for them to get off shots before the effect drops. A shotgun from an invisible enemy to the face is hard to survive unless you're in a heavy suit. It's not particularly hard to see a cloak even motionless in your LoS, if so just go watch predator a few more times...

You're right, but one shouldn't have to be forced to employ a particular scout type to combat a single thing in the game?! Yes, the cal scout IS the immediate fix right now, but that shouldn't be the end all be all should it?

Cloaks in my opinion are for lazy people that dont want to bother to spec into profile dampening or for people who have no skills at this game what so ever. If your good enough in the game (i use a cloak btw so i will admit im a crappy scout) as a scout you will have no need for a cloak. And the cloak itself isnt a problem just the delay the cloak has before changing to visible when someone is shooting you in the back. Getting killed by an invisible target is a big pain in the ass.