i broke the rules?

they have no role on the battlefield.

buff/nerfing ehp,damage,slots,pg and cpu etc will never change anything and will just start the cycle of broken classes all over again.

damage is not a role, ehp is not a role. the 2 combined do not make a role. simply giving them these stats does nothing.

you can nerf classes that outshine them forever and it will never fix the issue because they have no purpose

someone please define the assault role. please don't say they shoot stuff or attack stuff as that is also what every other class does.

what is the defining role of the assault that other classes don't already do

The role of an assault is to be the workhorse of the battlefield.
They are the first to respond to emerging threats, they are the ones who form a line of defense to give heavies and logis enough time to set up in the area, they are the ones who respond to a scout detecting heavy enemy movement, and they are the first to assault a compound.

Their role is clear - Be a menace, be annoying, never let the enemy have any breathing room.

So they're like bad co in battle field, the first to go in and the last to come out IF the come out.

All assault suits need an actual "I am special" bonus...

Scouts have a cloaked and ewar bonus on all roles, and are fast.
Sents just won't die and carry huge weapons, and are slow.
Commandos carry versatile mix of weapons and deal a lot of damage.
Logies carry craploads of equip and support bonuses (My corpmates still make bank SP and WP with them, "nerfs" be damned).
Assaults, uh.... Are... Slightly faster and substantially shittier commandos... Whoopidy friggen do...

Assaults need a niche, more then any mere bonus, they need an honest-to-god nitch. They need a nitch that is NOT one of the following:

• Heavy Weapons
• DPS
• Equipment Spam
• Speed
• Durability
• EWAR

My suggestion is to give all assaults bonuses to 1.) Max Ammunition (Not clip size) for racial weapons AND range bonus and 2.) Massive increase to racial regen preference (So armor tanks have a very high repper rate and shield tanks have a very high shield regen).

This would allow Assaults to stay on the field the longest, have the shortest downtime, and have the longest threat range of any role. This means they would NOT step on the toes of any other role and yet be unique enough that they won't be garbage.

But what do I know... I'm 12.

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My usual copy-and-paste for this discussion...

slaying is a role

front line assault is a role

assault class should be the best at both, hence a dmg increase and a ehp or regeneration buff.

At the moment, I'd say Assaults are pretty good at staying in the enemy's face. I mostly use Gallente Assaults, and I'm usually the guy holding a lot of enemy's attention on the frontline. While I'm poking at them and hopefully not dying, it creates an opportunity for Scouts to move in from behind, Sentinels to move in from the front, and Commandos to fire from a safe distance or whatever else they want to do, and logis supporting the advance.

Basically, Assaults are the workforce, the guys getting the boulder rolling so the specialist classes have an easy opportunity to perform their role. More simply put, we're the punching bag until people move in. We start the assault, hence the name.

Sound good? Good. Let's stop arguing.

If you're good you can make an assault suit work.

That's a fine idea for a role Assaults can fulfill, but what about them actually lets them fulfill it right now? How are they any better at this than Logis, for example?

That's a fine idea for a role Assaults can fulfill, but what about them actually lets them fulfill it right now? How are they any better at this than Logis, for example?

The assault role is to advance objectives and to slay. You can kill with any suit but that's up to the player. The assault class is more of a mindset than anything else.

Just breakdown the suits and classes in the game. Heavy suits and assault suits are supposed to slay. The difference is that heavy suits tank ehp so they're supposed to be the grind in cqc situations and defending objectives. You would put your heavies in front and have them clear the way. The heavy suit and assault suit (class) essentially, provides the same role.

Logi or support is just that. Supporting your team by supplying ammo, keeping them alive with reps and needles, etc.

Scout role is supposed to be recon. Clearing away enemy equipment, getting behind enemy lines, hacking objectives, scan, etc.

In dust....people use whatever suit they feel will be best that compliments their playstyle and will allow them to perform their roles optimally. Scouts aren't supposed to be slayers but mechanics allow for that. Logis weren't supposed to but the mechanics allow for that. You can play a logi role with a scout suit or an assault suit if you wish.

assault role is to slay...period. in this game, the assault suit is the only suit (besides the heavy) that is one-dimensional. That's why people don't use it as much...

a lot of you seem to be ignoring the fact that every class who approaches and shoots at the enemy is assaulting them. you can call it any number of fancy names like frontline assault but it is all still the same thing and not a role

assault "To make a short, violent, but well-ordered attack against a local objective, such as a gun emplacement, a fort, or a machine gun nest." this includes people. you go through the act of assaulting

now a role in that assault would be a LAW man in the squad to take on vehicle threats, a medic incase someone was injured, a HMG gunner to lay down suppressing fire, a commander giving orders,a radio man liaising with command and support assets, a pioneer with breach charges etc

they all assault the position. they all for the most part use the same weapons and carry the same gear. they all have the same training then finally they all have their own particular role to fulfill when required.

dust has this big problem where everything is balanced on the roles people play and not the fact they are soldiers/killers first. this makes some classes either OP or extremely customisable to the point they outshine others.

ask yourself why other classes can for the most part outshine the assault and answer would likely be customisation. every class has the role to use or ignore but the assault is just the assault. it has nothing extra to play with. for a lot of you the answer is to decrease that customisation on other classes and buff ehp and dps on the assaults but that now leaves those who do fit their roles worse off as they have less of everything to play with while their counter gets a buff and the slayers see little change. i think its wrong to break other classes to make 1 class work. the problem isn't dps and ehp its customisation through roles and the lack of role with the assault not giving them that option

if the assault had a role and slots to go with it they could choose to fit full killer and compete with other suits that do that while leaving those that fit their role still able to compete and not get nerfed all the time

a lot of you seem to be ignoring the fact that every class who approaches and shoots at the enemy is assaulting them. you can call it any number of fancy names like frontline assault but it is all still the same thing and not a role

assault "To make a short, violent, but well-ordered attack against a local objective, such as a gun emplacement, a fort, or a machine gun nest." this includes people. you go through the act of assaulting

now a role in that assault would be a LAW man in the squad to take on vehicle threats, a medic incase someone was injured, a HMG gunner to lay down suppressing fire, a commander giving orders,a radio man liaising with command and support assets, a pioneer with breach charges etc

they all assault the position. they all for the most part use the same weapons and carry the same gear. they all have the same training then finally they all have their own particular role to fulfill when required.

dust has this big problem where everything is balanced on the roles people play and not the fact they are soldiers/killers first. this makes some classes either OP or extremely customisable to the point they outshine others.

ask yourself why other classes can for the most part outshine the assault and answer would likely be customisation. every class has the role to use or ignore but the assault is just the assault. it has nothing extra to play with. for a lot of you the answer is to decrease that customisation on other classes and buff ehp and dps on the assaults but that now leaves those who do fit their roles worse off as they have less of everything to play with while their counter gets a buff and the slayers see little change. i think its wrong to break other classes to make 1 class work. the problem isn't dps and ehp its customisation through roles and the lack of role with the assault not giving them that option

if the assault had a role and slots to go with it they could choose to fit full killer and compete with other suits that do that while leaving those that fit their role still able to compete and not get nerfed all the time

Because people utilize the classes wrong that doesn't mean that is the ground upon which the suit is defined for.

Scouts shouldn't be frontline but people brick tank, shotty and cloak, going frontline in their attacks. Scouts are to create confusion and to infiltrate enemy lines, demoralizing the enemy.

The thing is, you present that Assault don't have a role but have no idea what other role it can play. You offer no other roles for it.

Assaults role is, lol, arguably even noticeable in the name itself. Assault. Scouts are to scout. Logistics is all about the logistics. A sentinel is to be sentinel.

This stuff is beyond basic. The OP is trying to make something complicated out of something simple. People just don't want to slay in Dust. They want WPs. They want to cloak and sneak up on somebody to blast. They want REs. They want to destroy with HMGs. Assaults only offer slaying with a small supply factor from the nanohives.

Assaults have a role. It's just not attractive to you guys. Or better yet, you guys want incentives to do what many are already doing with the class...slaying.

Think of all of the different kinds of assaulting you can do:

Suppression - take a high position, lay down suppressive fire to prevent enemy movement. Damage mod tank a rail rifle variant, focusing on moving in and out of LOS as HP permits, drop a nanohive since you'll be spending a lot of ammo.

Battlefront line holder - armor tank and damage mod tank. Use a combat rifle variant focusing on hunkering down behind cover and using standard progressive movements across the battlefield. Focus on squad communications (use a mic).

Infiltration - Use precision enhancers and range amplifiers for added Intel to evaluate risk and infiltrate enemy territory at their weak points. Then proceed to massacre from within.

AV - armor tank to mitigate small arms damage while locking on and use a swarm to deter enemy vehicles from hanging around your teammates. Fit some packed AV grenades to finish off LAVs.

Heavy Assassination - Don't forget that assaults have an e-war advantage over heavies, so they make great assasins to remove fatties.

etc.

The assault suit is meant to be an all round suit, a jack of all trades if you will. The suit has does not appear to have a role because it is a half ***ed version of everything. It scan radius is better than the heavy suits but worse than the light's, It's health is worse than the heavies but better than better than the light suits, they can use equipment but not as much as the scout or logi, and on top of all this it tries to deal large amounts of damage with light weapons like the commando but falls short of that as well.

Keep in mind this is just my opinion and I have not put any real dedication into the numbers. I just looked at the suits layout and wrote this post based on that.

If you're good you can make an assault suit work.

All assault suits need an actual "I am special" bonus...

Scouts have a cloaked and ewar bonus on all roles, and are fast.
Sents just won't die and carry huge weapons, and are slow.
Commandos carry versatile mix of weapons and deal a lot of damage.
Logies carry craploads of equip and support bonuses (My corpmates still make bank SP and WP with them, "nerfs" be damned).
Assaults, uh.... Are... Slightly faster and substantially shittier commandos... Whoopidy friggen do...

Assaults need a niche, more then any mere bonus, they need an honest-to-god nitch. They need a nitch that is NOT one of the following:

• Heavy Weapons
• DPS
• Equipment Spam
• Speed
• Durability
• EWAR

My suggestion is to give all assaults bonuses to 1.) Max Ammunition (Not clip size) for racial weapons AND range bonus and 2.) Massive increase to racial regen preference (So armor tanks have a very high repper rate and shield tanks have a very high shield regen).

This would allow Assaults to stay on the field the longest, have the shortest downtime, and have the longest threat range of any role. This means they would NOT step on the toes of any other role and yet be unique enough that they won't be garbage.

But what do I know... I'm 12.

On behalf of the OP, I think it's fair to say you missed one of his points: that simply killing enemies in of itself is not a suitable role within the context of Dust, and I would say I agree with that. But even ignoring that, if slaying is meant to be the designated role of Assault suits, what about them actually makes them any better at it than say a Logi?

No class is better than the other. It is how the player utilizes the role is what makes it good. Why are you comparing it to Logi? Assaults don't have to piggyback a Sentinel and isn't frowned upon if the assault player is killing. Because that's what you expect from a assault. Hence why we had so many discussions and changes to Logi (the infamous slaylogi) because the community felt that wasn't the role of a Logi.

Uh, do you um, like know how game design works? The goal is to encourage players to take certain actions with the mechanics of your game. So again, in terms of design, what about an Assault suit currently makes it any better at slaying than a Logi suit?

What you mean is, assaults has less of an attractive role compared to others. What exactly qre you expecting from a footsoldier/infantryman?

. Assaults have a role. It's just not as attractive as the other ones.

People want incentives to do things in Dust, which is absurd as well.

What other roles can assault play besides that? Anything else and it becomes another class.

This stuff is beyond basic. The OP is trying to make something complicated out of something simple. People just don't want to slay in Dust. They want WPs. They want to cloak and sneak up on somebody to blast. They want REs. They want to destroy with HMGs. Assaults only offer slaying with a small supply factor from the nanohives.

Assaults have a role. It's just not attractive to you guys. Or better yet, you guys want incentives to do what many are already doing with the class...slaying.

they have no role on the battlefield.

buff/nerfing ehp,damage,slots,pg and cpu etc will never change anything and will just start the cycle of broken classes all over again.

damage is not a role, ehp is not a role. the 2 combined do not make a role. simply giving them these stats does nothing.

you can nerf classes that outshine them forever and it will never fix the issue because they have no purpose

Lol why am I repeating the grounds that I already covered...

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Why do you need encouragement to be a slayer? What is with the gamer population and incentives? Why do you need one to perform a necessary task?

Okay instead of arguing the point of whether assaults have a role or not, what kind of role would you offer the Assault player?

We already have a recon guy. A support guy. A point defender. What is left? What role can the assault play? Answer me that instead of arguing a useless point that assaults don't have any role on the battlefield. I'm up for a discussion and production. Not tireless back and forth stuck in one point. Let's brain storm. What other role can the assault player fill that the other classes are not specialized in?

None of the things you quoted... actually answered how an assault is better at slaying than other classes..... just thought I'd point that out. It's role is to slay, so it should be better at it than other classes right? No WP bonuses or anything, just stat-wise. How is an assault suit better at slaying than other suits?

All assault suits need an actual "I am special" bonus...

Scouts have a cloaked and ewar bonus on all roles, and are fast.
Sents just won't die and carry huge weapons, and are slow.
Commandos carry versatile mix of weapons and deal a lot of damage.
Logies carry craploads of equip and support bonuses (My corpmates still make bank SP and WP with them, "nerfs" be damned).
Assaults, uh.... Are... Slightly faster and substantially shittier commandos... Whoopidy friggen do...

Assaults need a niche, more then any mere bonus, they need an honest-to-god nitch. They need a nitch that is NOT one of the following:

• Heavy Weapons
• DPS
• Equipment Spam
• Speed
• Durability
• EWAR

My suggestion is to give all assaults bonuses to 1.) Max Ammunition (Not clip size) for racial weapons AND range bonus and 2.) Massive increase to racial regen preference (So armor tanks have a very high repper rate and shield tanks have a very high shield regen).

This would allow Assaults to stay on the field the longest, have the shortest downtime, and have the longest threat range of any role. This means they would NOT step on the toes of any other role and yet be unique enough that they won't be garbage.

But what do I know... I'm 12.