Alright, so to actually give proper context. This is solely about equalizing the slot numbers and equipment ability for all the logistics. The sidearm slot for Amarr logistics isn't causing any specific concerns

However, I am actually open to the possibility of adding a second logistics variant (using the same skills, think the old Type-II) for all races that has an equipment slot traded for a sidearm, plus possibly a few base stat nerfs (not sure what yet, I'm just a little worried that these new logistics would crowd out actual assault suits).

However, that's a fair bit of extra work. Thoughts?

You can't sit here and tell me that his is not a real trade off.

Please, it's balance we are talking about here. You can't get a side arm+a extra slot+extra equipment.

Gotta choose something here guys!

i dont know what issue yall are trying to balance with these absurd changes but this isnt the way to do it..you should put this issue on the threads for discussion. so we could have told u this isnt the way to do it...and i really hope unlike past times..you pull your heads out of your asses when you see the public outcry and rethink this stupid idea.

why are you doing this? what is this supposed to fix? what imbalance is this fixing?

Alright, so to actually give proper context. This is solely about equalizing the slot numbers and equipment ability for all the logistics. The sidearm slot for Amarr logistics isn't causing any specific concerns

However, I am actually open to the possibility of adding a second logistics variant (using the same skills, think the old Type-II) for all races that has an equipment slot traded for a sidearm, plus possibly a few base stat nerfs (not sure what yet, I'm just a little worried that these new logistics would crowd out actual assault suits).

However, that's a fair bit of extra work. Thoughts?

I do not see the need for equalizing slot numbers. This is one of the factors that must be considered along with the bonuses and other things when choosing your suit.

The idea of giving all races a logi with a sidearm sounds great and terrible to me. All of the logis but the Amarr have a natural self defense mechanism through the equipment they run. This fact alone makes the sidearm a very balancing factor and you even state that it is not causing any concerns. If the assault suits are given proper bonuses and made attractive then a second tier of logi which has a sidearm will be great, until then it is just more suits for people to run aside from the assault.

Come back after 4 months to see Dust is being scraped for a new game, and Anti-Logis STILL are trying to nerf the class. You think they would learn after failing to strip the main weapon from Logis for over a year.

Amarr is easily the worst Logi without side-arm, an additional slot isn't doing anything to compensate for the lack of speed and PG nerf. The Drop Uplink boost is trivial compared to the sidearm.

yea that sht is crazy. supposedly though NO ONE asked for any changes to the logi, CCP RATTI and LOGIBRO just all of sudden came with these changes out of no where, and with no real justifications btw.

ever play as an amar logi? or a logi at all?

we are the most vulnerable merc on the field as it is, unless we set our suits up to slay....

with how slow amar already is and having one less slot than other variants that side arm provides a versatility in play style and a needed advantage in staying alive.

play one for a week in PC, or at least in pubs with stacked teams and maybe you will understand better.

I got a titan for its AOE DD your point?

Because over a year ago, I got the Amarr logi because of the sidearm and nothing more.

IWS, stop being a goddamned prick. You're already irrelevant, basically no one agrees with your opinions, just please, **** off.

Alright, so to actually give proper context. This is solely about equalizing the slot numbers and equipment ability for all the logistics. The sidearm slot for Amarr logistics isn't causing any specific concerns

However, I am actually open to the possibility of adding a second logistics variant (using the same skills, think the old Type-II) for all races that has an equipment slot traded for a sidearm, plus possibly a few base stat nerfs (not sure what yet, I'm just a little worried that these new logistics would crowd out actual assault suits).

However, that's a fair bit of extra work. Thoughts?

I am having a hard time understanding the logic behind the needs to have a side arm.

Its along the same grounds as taking away minmatar grenade slots. Subbing Gallmando's second light weapon for a side arm. And giving Min logi two side arms instead of 1 light, or Cal scout 1 eq.

If we had to introduce the class (under the context it never existed before) in charlie and not since the start we'd be mocking the mere stupidity of giving one class a side arm over its fellows.

I got a titan for its AOE DD your point?

Yes, I do play; feels like a slow useless scout suit most of the time when trying to play into its strength with inclinations to be using equipment that is more slanted for repair and restore as opposed to be used for offensive equipment usage.

The strongest and best scoring use I ever felt the amarr logi was in front line support; as in repper tool and nano hives and injectors with scrambler laser rifle with sidearm unfitted to get the best gear I can shove onto it; where its tough enough to survive most glancing attempts to kill me as I keep others alive in the field of fire out of cover. At lvl 3 between the amarr assault and logi and scrambler I feel just as strong as each other offensively with the use of grenades and the main weapons; without specialization into lvl 5s the gulf in the scp's heat management is barely notable especially in the hands of people who operate the rifle in proper cadence and a management. Majority of my deaths have always been mid mag and mid heat cycles; rarely reloading; rarely empty and more commonly full mags. The only real downside is how quickly the nano hives pop when doing the front line support and that extra equipment slot would be so much more useful in this endeavour as I am always running out of equipment on many of the configurations. I cannot play into the suits strengths and its far too easy to play into its weaknesses making the suit far worse than it really is.

In terms who's the better uplinker? It would be the Gallente scout; gets there faster and quicker and away without being detected and doesn't have to dedicatedly defend the spot. Far too often if I try to play the amarr logi he get caught far too often; or someone bashes the uplinks, or just as bad nobody on my effing team uses it when its prudent too.

I can see why some of the guys thinks its an assault type II suit.

and if you want to call me a scrub; by all means; but this is how I feel what this suit teaches to do with it; which is basically screw the bonus and play into its natural stats strengths instead. The uplink bonus feel worth it at lvl 1, lvl 2, or lvl 3.

If you want to talk unique' the amarr logi offers little uniqueness in comparison to the amarr assault or amarr scout or commando.

Why Logistics even have offensive options is beyond me......

I find it odd that A-logis say they are useless without a side arm, while every other race says "im doing fine with my light weapon" logistics is a support class, not an assault class, i suggest they run amarr assault if they want to run with two weapons.

Alright, so to actually give proper context. This is solely about equalizing the slot numbers and equipment ability for all the logistics. The sidearm slot for Amarr logistics isn't causing any specific concerns

However, I am actually open to the possibility of adding a second logistics variant (using the same skills, think the old Type-II) for all races that has an equipment slot traded for a sidearm, plus possibly a few base stat nerfs (not sure what yet, I'm just a little worried that these new logistics would crowd out actual assault suits).

However, that's a fair bit of extra work. Thoughts?

Why Logistics even have offensive options is beyond me......

the amar logi's bonus (while lacking imo) is uplinks... so I don't get why you are using hives and reps....

you are not using the amar logi to its strengths. the A logi is slow yes, but it's job is to keep the push going by putting down links and then guarding those links ( hence the importance of a side arm.)

you are slow because uplinks don't move so you don't need to keep up with them, you also have a better tank to make sure you can hold that position while your team spawns in.

how ever if you want to be a mobile A logi then that's when you call out your LAV (or better yet dropship) using its speed to get you to the desired location for your links and then defending them.... the AV variant of the A logi is very usefull in securing link locations on towers while fending off any dropship that may be trying to over take you until your forge gunners spawn in...

so no IWS I will not call you a scrub, but I will say that the responsibilities of the cpm have kept you from playing enough to truly understand some of the finer points of battlefield detail and strategy.

What? You haven't been roflstomped by the q-synced teams of Amarr logis slowly swarming around and wrecking everyone with their OP sidearms? It's the new FOTM, get with the times, dude!

It's the waiting that gets you....

It might be because those ppl wanted to use laser or MD oe other supportive weapon like that.

Bad analogy.

No one ever questioned AOE DDs usefulness or power. They were removed because of obvious gameplay reasons.


It seems people do regard sidearm as useless trash no one wants. Mr Thundergrooves point is that is has a need.


Nevertheless AOE DD =/= logi sidearm.