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deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 745	Posted - 2014.07.10 03:33:00 - [1] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: You can't sit here and tell me that his is not a real trade off. Please, it's balance we are talking about here. You can't get a side arm+a extra slot+extra equipment. Gotta choose something here guys! I highly doubt any of us actually want extra slots. When it comes to specialized Amarr logis you really do not want us to have an extra equipment either since it will probably just lead to more uplink spam or carrying extra equipment on top of the uplinks making orbitals that much faster. As long as we are forced to stay in our suit to maintain our bonus we should be able to fight in our suit and that trade off has been made. You may argue that other logis also must stay in their suit to get their bonus but look at what they get. Minmatar get faster rep rate keeping people around them alive longer and more able to fight. Gallente get a scan bonus making everything around them more visible and easier to fight off. Caldari get more ammo and/or armor reps for their self and those around them. Amarr gets people spawning in faster. This does little to help the position of the logi which is where the sidearm comes in. Having a sidearm makes us more able to defend our self while we are forced to stay in our suit to provide our bonus to the team. We pay for this trade off by being able to tank less and carrying less equipment which is perfectly balanced. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 745	Posted - 2014.07.10 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lol we are a a bunch of whiny gitz aren't we...... Me- Amarr HAV Aisha- Amarr Scout Aero- Amarr Commando Vithar- Amarr Logi? I will champion ALL Amarr tech as I a man of the empire through and through So will I, but I will definitely b!tch about the Amarr logi the most. You can put me there instead if you like True, lol. As someone who is level 5 in Amarr Sentinel, Logi, and Assault I will continue my quest for all of them as long as I am playing. Having the Amarr logi ruined will alter my playstyle in many ways and I can not say for sure how much time I am willing to invest in changing my game. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 748	Posted - 2014.07.10 09:20:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I got a titan for its AOE DD your point? Not being an EVE player, but I was under the assumption that the AOE DD was changed because it rekt everything? I just don't understand the need to change this. Go back to my first post in this thread again then and I want you to seriously think about introducing every single class in dust 514 with these stupid nuances in weapon arrangement between every race and tell me its fine line of thinking. EQ and Weapon slots while having the weakest weight in terms of balance meta scores you have to understand that unlike normal high and low slots these slots are multipliers in their effect of the overall score. Great. You can't honestly tell us our sidearm slot is OP, and we want to keep it. If it sucks then you should be happy because it means less balancing! I'm going to throw a tantrum if it gets removed. Well, more of one. It is obvious from IWS persistent pedaling of the idea that our side arm is getting removed. I am only questioning what my response is going to be. On one hand I am glad to see them working to balance things but seeing balancing by making everything as close to the same as possible even if it means breaking the ground work that was originally laid is just a flash back to CCPs band aid mentality. This is just a look back at what lead to the amazing blunder that was fanfest and the start of me going from a huge supporter of this game monetarily to none at all. IWS I hope you win CPM again, atleast CCP has their strings tied so tight that we can see from your actions what they plan on doing. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 750	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:25:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Alright, so to actually give proper context. This is solely about equalizing the slot numbers and equipment ability for all the logistics. The sidearm slot for Amarr logistics isn't causing any specific concerns However, I am actually open to the possibility of adding a second logistics variant (using the same skills, think the old Type-II) for all races that has an equipment slot traded for a sidearm, plus possibly a few base stat nerfs (not sure what yet, I'm just a little worried that these new logistics would crowd out actual assault suits). However, that's a fair bit of extra work. Thoughts? I do not see the need for equalizing slot numbers. This is one of the factors that must be considered along with the bonuses and other things when choosing your suit. The idea of giving all races a logi with a sidearm sounds great and terrible to me. All of the logis but the Amarr have a natural self defense mechanism through the equipment they run. This fact alone makes the sidearm a very balancing factor and you even state that it is not causing any concerns. If the assault suits are given proper bonuses and made attractive then a second tier of logi which has a sidearm will be great, until then it is just more suits for people to run aside from the assault. I feel like this is only happening as further beta testing for the suit system that has been proposed for Legion and I call shenanigans. Going down this path of cramming legion ideas into Dust without a change to the core system to make it more similar is going to leave us with a lot of crappy things. New Eden is about living with your choices once you have made them. If the consequences of a decision are going to get totally destroyed by you guys fitting in whatever you can from Legion for us to beta test then there will be few people left if/when Legion comes to light. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 751	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:49:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: You can't sit here and tell me that his is not a real trade off. Please, it's balance we are talking about here. You can't get a side arm+a extra slot+extra equipment. Gotta choose something here guys! I did not ever see an Amarr logi ask for an extra equipment slot before this debate was thrown at us out of left field by CCP. I choose do not touch my logi. Screwing with logis is not an excuse for making assaults work right. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.

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