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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:08:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:You can't sit here and tell me that his is not a real trade off.
Please, it's balance we are talking about here. You can't get a side arm+a extra slot+extra equipment.
Gotta choose something here guys!
You are correct. I choose my #$%#@ sidearm!
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:10:00 -
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Also: We really should get an extra low slot just like the Assault did to make sense from a race perspective. Amarr are armor tankers, why do we have so few lows?
The loss of the equip slot is enough to compensate for the sidearm.
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:21:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I got a titan for its AOE DD your point?
Not being an EVE player, but I was under the assumption that the AOE DD was changed because it rekt everything? I just don't understand the need to change this.
What? You haven't been roflstomped by the q-synced teams of Amarr logis slowly swarming around and wrecking everyone with their OP sidearms? It's the new FOTM, get with the times, dude!
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:32:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Go back to my first post in this thread again then and I want you to seriously think about introducing every single class in dust 514 with these stupid nuances in weapon arrangement between every race and tell me its fine line of thinking.
EQ and Weapon slots while having the weakest weight in terms of balance meta scores you have to understand that unlike normal high and low slots these slots are multipliers in their effect of the overall score.
I've already read it, and if suits were to the extent you've said, it'd be a big problem but I still see the sidearm as nothing more than a cool little perk for using the worse in every way then Gallente suit.
QFT
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 04:12:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lol we are a a bunch of whiny gitz aren't we......
Me- Amarr HAV
Aisha- Amarr Scout
Aero- Amarr Commando
Vithar- Amarr Logi? I will champion ALL Amarr tech as I a man of the empire through and through 
So will I, but I will definitely b!tch about the Amarr logi the most. You can put me there instead if you like True, lol.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 12:37:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:You can't sit here and tell me that his is not a real trade off.
Please, it's balance we are talking about here. You can't get a side arm+a extra slot+extra equipment.
Gotta choose something here guys! You need to read this. This guy spent his time making a guide for Logistics players.I will say that I have spec into every role possible up to advance with proto in Minmatar Logistics. Before asking to nerf logistics how about trying them out first and do it according to the guide that I linked
Exactly. IWS and Rattati, I will give a nice simple explanation for why the Amarr logi's role is suited for a sidearm and others are not. As RedBleach said, great for solo operations. Why is that important?
It's a tacticians suit. (If you click the link in my signature, you will see that I have put some thought into the matter and am not just throwing it up on the fly. )
Let's use the minmatar logi as an example. It has a bonus to rep tools. Useless if nobody is around, great if you are running with the pack. In contrast, the Amarr logis bonus is arguably the opposite. At the very least, it is not appreciably enhanced by others being around.
What's the better place for an uplink? An area where 5 people already are, or somewhere off on the flank to create a rally point or new attacking front? Obviously the latter. Would it be better out in the open or more hidden? Again, the latter.
So in this case, which of the 2 logi suits, if they are fulfilling their primary role (as designated by their bonus) is more likely to find itself on a lone wolf operation (and thus be in greater need of a sidearms to defend itself)?
If you said Amarr, you are correct.
So, based on its bonus there is a perfectly logical non-slayer reason for the sidearm to exist. In addition, none of the elite laser weapon slayer types do their thing in the Amarr logi suit. They use the assault or commando because they actually have a bonus that works!
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:42:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so to actually give proper context. This is solely about equalizing the slot numbers and equipment ability for all the logistics. The sidearm slot for Amarr logistics isn't causing any specific concerns
However, I am actually open to the possibility of adding a second logistics variant (using the same skills, think the old Type-II) for all races that has an equipment slot traded for a sidearm, plus possibly a few base stat nerfs (not sure what yet, I'm just a little worried that these new logistics would crowd out actual assault suits).
However, that's a fair bit of extra work. Thoughts?
More variety is good, logibro. Dust has been hamstrung by a lack of it for most of its existence.
And again, nobody ever complained about the suit being spammed as a killer bee! I don't recall Nyain San running whole teams of them. When's the last time anyone saw someone like Tiberius, Arkena, or Aisha Ctarl (when he still played) using an Amarr logi as their slayer suit? Never! They use assaults (or commandos), because, unlike everyone else, the Amarr assault was given a bonus that actually facilitates it's role!
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:17:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I got a titan for its AOE DD your point?
Not being an EVE player, but I was under the assumption that the AOE DD was changed because it rekt everything? I just don't understand the need to change this. What? You haven't been roflstomped by the q-synced teams of Amarr logis slowly swarming around and wrecking everyone with their OP sidearms? It's the new FOTM, get with the times, dude! It's the waiting that gets you....
LOL! +1.
It's like the chinese water torture, haha.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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