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Kain Spero 3586	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:05:00 - [1] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=163451&find=unread Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7593	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:08:00 - [2] - Quote Nyain San must be devastated. New [self proclaimed] CEO of Fatal Absolution 31+ mil SP Scout/Heavy/Logi/ADS pilot for hire (free) in PC
ERMAGERD IM DEAD Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:14:00 - [3] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Nyain San must be devastated. Nah, they have plenty of ISK, and plenty of goons to spambush all day. Don't see them too much in regular matches.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1913	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:28:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly thought that passive needed a down play, not a complete eradication. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3128	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:29:00 - [5] - Quote who cares? Most of us have more ISK then they ever could spend. And i can use proto 24/7 and get even or make profit. That means i will probs have 0 isk in like 10 years from now on.
Smoky Fingers Red Star. EoN. 375	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:14:00 - [6] - Quote Passive pc isk got the qq slapstick I see. Kinda like Nova Knife. Flight stick user. Oh well :(
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2281	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:26:00 - [7] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I honestly thought that passive needed a down play, not a complete eradication. ^ Tanker/Logi
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3090	Posted - 2014.05.25 11:27:00 - [8] - Quote What's the point of conquest then? Bragging rights? Clone pack going up to 150 is good....could cost a little more than $45M though. Removed all hope with this post
Pushing Charlie 89	Posted - 2014.05.25 11:55:00 - [9] - Quote Whats the point of a district? Why don't they just give us corp battles back, instead of just half assing a PC fix. Knight Soiaire Project Beast Hype train comin' through! From Software > CCP
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1329	Posted - 2014.05.25 12:00:00 - [10] - Quote Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO Brb, sister needs the TV

Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 130	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:41:00 - [11] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: What's the point of conquest then? Bragging rights? Clone pack going up to 150 is good....could cost a little more than $45M though. exactly, this is now useless to have more than 3 district and corp more than 50 peeps -What is the goal to be CEO and director if you dont manage economy, its now just a huge job with no advantage -since when in human history owning land dont give you passive income? -being part of elite corp is now useless -they needed to bring corp battle for this, not making PC like this -making a downgrade to passive isk for landing was the true answer -no more big war like in the past with this system the only good point is everybody will be able to participate, but they haved the possbility to just bring back corp battle like i said an other decision by CCP and an other fail
God Hates Lags The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 1189	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:02:00 - [12] - Quote Am I the only one who thinks this will be a disaster? Districtless corps are getting shafted big time. Here's how. The pay 45 mill to attack a district, if they win they get some of their money back. If they lose, the lose it all. Now they have to win three times in a row doing this, because what's the point of a production facility now? And if they win, they get to be a district owning corp. This just seems like really weird corp battles where one side doesn't have to ante up anything and the other side doesn't get a full payout upon winning. A better solution would have been for districts to generate resources that Eve players can use/sell. Imo they should just turn the isk faucet back on for as long as dust lasts, then wipe all assets when legion comes and move to a better model. "Look what I destroyed in two days" Kane Spero Wolfica stole my signature
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3589	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:03:00 - [13] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO I'll post what I put in the feedback thread. Kain Spero wrote: Again, if you actually win your fights you can recoup the costs of clone packs much more quickly than previously. After speaking with a few people I do see that the adjustment of being forced to kill every clone in battle may need to not happen in this pass. Some numbers: 3x Clone Packs at 45m = 135m upfront cost ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 90m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 200k) = 183m ISK Potentially profit after just taking one hub = 48m ISK The ironic thing is the worse your KDR while still winning your fights the more likely a corp will turn a profit breaking into PC. CEOs still have to organize their members and provide content to keep that corp logging in. I expect that many corps will begin to institute taxes in order to afford clone packs, vehicle replacement programs, player bonuses, etc. The age of ISK going straight to the corp wallet (the directors) from passive and then being doled out to members is indeed coming to an end. The age of 25 to 40m ISK a week paychecks from passive ISK is also coming to an end. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 959	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:12:00 - [14] - Quote Seems like a pretty reasonable fix. Oh, Kane Spero posted the link? I AM OUTRAGED. WORST CHANGES EVER.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 130	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:46:00 - [15] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: 843 Epidemic wrote: Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO I'll post what I put in the feedback thread. Kain Spero wrote: Again, if you actually win your fights you can recoup the costs of clone packs much more quickly than previously. After speaking with a few people I do see that the adjustment of being forced to kill every clone in battle may need to not happen in this pass. Some numbers: 3x Clone Packs at 45m = 135m upfront cost ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 90m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 200k) = 183m ISK Potentially profit after just taking one hub = 48m ISK The ironic thing is the worse your KDR while still winning your fights the more likely a corp will turn a profit breaking into PC. CEOs still have to organize their members and provide content to keep that corp logging in. I expect that many corps will begin to institute taxes in order to afford clone packs, vehicle replacement programs, player bonuses, etc. The age of ISK going straight to the corp wallet (the directors) from passive and then being doled out to members is indeed coming to an end. The age of 25 to 40m ISK a week paychecks from passive ISK is also coming to an end. all this change will help the communty and the number of player and corp to be involve in PC, thats true and its great too. My biggest problem is more What that really gave to be good in PC? in my book nothing. Maybe we will see player base more interested and staying so for that i will be ok for now, i just feel they need to give something like random production in material ( suit, gun, tank module ) per district, not a lot but just to keep interested in holding and expand. with the new change that appear like Corp battle in chrome to me, thats better than the current stuation to be honest but can be better too
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8846	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:54:00 - [16] - Quote Wouldn't it make more sense to include custom clone packs? You could pay for each clone individually, but at 300k a pop. That way you could select the amount of clones you need, without having to worry about an expensive cost of admission. However, there would need to be a minimum of clones you'd have to purchase. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8846	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:56:00 - [17] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Seems like a pretty reasonable fix. Oh, Kane Spero posted the link? I AM OUTRAGED. WORST CHANGES EVER. Your doing it wrong. Your supposed to say that it's only a weak attempt at meta, while shouting about how Kain's a liar and that he lies about everything he does. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 586	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:17:00 - [18] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Seems like a pretty reasonable fix. Oh, Kane Spero posted the link? I AM OUTRAGED. WORST CHANGES EVER. Nah it does seem ok. i think the changes are probably good for some corps and bad for corps farming isk it get rich. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 607	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:55:00 - [19] - Quote The future of PC will consist of the 4-5 top corps in the game raiding inferior corps with MLT gear to steal their ISK and loot. This is a terrible change, and I can't conceive of how it makes sense except to make everyone poor and fuel AUR purchases. Now there is NO escaping the ISK grind in this game.
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 346	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:56:00 - [20] - Quote Reserved so I can QQ later after I get some family lunch Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...

843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1334	Posted - 2014.05.25 19:23:00 - [21] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: 843 Epidemic wrote: Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO I'll post what I put in the feedback thread. Kain Spero wrote: Again, if you actually win your fights you can recoup the costs of clone packs much more quickly than previously. After speaking with a few people I do see that the adjustment of being forced to kill every clone in battle may need to not happen in this pass. Some numbers: 3x Clone Packs at 45m = 135m upfront cost ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 90m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 200k) = 183m ISK Potentially profit after just taking one hub = 48m ISK The ironic thing is the worse your KDR while still winning your fights the more likely a corp will turn a profit breaking into PC. CEOs still have to organize their members and provide content to keep that corp logging in. I expect that many corps will begin to institute taxes in order to afford clone packs, vehicle replacement programs, player bonuses, etc. The age of ISK going straight to the corp wallet (the directors) from passive and then being doled out to members is indeed coming to an end. The age of 25 to 40m ISK a week paychecks from passive ISK is also coming to an end. Yeah, IF THEY WIN. What about if the small corporations continuously lose? What's your maths solution then? This isn't about ERA getting back into PC with clone packs, bud. I'm talking about small corporations who want to get their feet wet but are probably going to get beaten around a bit first. They can't even afford to get the **** kicked out of them haha Brb, sister needs the TV
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3591	Posted - 2014.05.25 22:28:00 - [22] - Quote Nothing will change the fact that if you can't win then you won't earn anything. I can run through the numbers on the current system if you'd like? They are much worse in terms of a corp getting a return on investment. Current numbers: 3x Clone Packs at 36m = 108m upfront cost ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 45m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 100k) = 69m ISK Potential profit after just taking one hub = -39m ISK Days to wait until hub is full = 450 total - 70 remaining from attack / 80 = 5 days Days of full clones without launching attacks needed to make profit for passive generation = 39m Cost / 8.8m ISK in clones sales per day = 5 days That's 10 days you have to hold the district in order to turn a profit in addition to winning the initial matches. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Rich MO-FO Heaven's Lost Property 16	Posted - 2014.05.25 22:29:00 - [23] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Kain Spero wrote: 843 Epidemic wrote: Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO I'll post what I put in the feedback thread. Kain Spero wrote: Again, if you actually win your fights you can recoup the costs of clone packs much more quickly than previously. After speaking with a few people I do see that the adjustment of being forced to kill every clone in battle may need to not happen in this pass. Some numbers: 3x Clone Packs at 45m = 135m upfront cost ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 90m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 200k) = 183m ISK Potentially profit after just taking one hub = 48m ISK The ironic thing is the worse your KDR while still winning your fights the more likely a corp will turn a profit breaking into PC. CEOs still have to organize their members and provide content to keep that corp logging in. I expect that many corps will begin to institute taxes in order to afford clone packs, vehicle replacement programs, player bonuses, etc. The age of ISK going straight to the corp wallet (the directors) from passive and then being doled out to members is indeed coming to an end. The age of 25 to 40m ISK a week paychecks from passive ISK is also coming to an end. Yeah, IF THEY WIN. What about if the small corporations continuously lose? What's your maths solution then? This isn't about ERA getting back into PC with clone packs, bud. I'm talking about small corporations who want to get their feet wet but are probably going to get beaten around a bit first. They can't even afford to get the **** kicked out of them haha I'll be stupid and do this, add more types of clone packs 100 man for 30 Mill 45 for 150 man My Alts are in Real corps
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1828	Posted - 2014.05.25 22:48:00 - [24] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=163451&find=unread Still a douche... CEO Whiskey squad leader, E9 , patiently waiting for Destiny and Planetside2, real games... Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3592	Posted - 2014.05.25 23:38:00 - [25] - Quote Rich MO-FO wrote: I'll be stupid and do this, add more types of clone packs 100 man for 30 Mill 45 for 150 man The problem with this is that it would require UI in order to select the different size packs which means it would require a client side change, which isn't a possibility right now. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3011	Posted - 2014.05.26 00:37:00 - [26] - Quote WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 314	Posted - 2014.05.26 00:47:00 - [27] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Saying what's on people's minds
Rich MO-FO Heaven's Lost Property 16	Posted - 2014.05.26 01:55:00 - [28] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Badass ************, also Lord of the Forums does well. My Alts are in Real corps
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2594	Posted - 2014.05.26 02:08:00 - [29] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Whats the point of a district? Why don't they just give us corp battles back, instead of just half assing a PC fix. Because bringing back corp battles isn't possible with the remaining devs on DUST. But they can basically use these changes to turn PC into corp battles. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 352	Posted - 2014.05.26 02:35:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: Whats the point of a district? Why don't they just give us corp battles back, instead of just half assing a PC fix. Because bringing back corp battles isn't possible with the remaining devs on DUST. But they can basically use these changes to turn PC into corp battles. But its not Corp battles are X corp puts up Z money While Y corp puts up Z money And winner takes all PC is now Corp X pays 135 million-450 million ISK to flip a cargo hub Flips it And then sits And waits And then they send off 250 clones to flip a district Fail They get attacked by Corp Y Corp Y takes weakened district Corp X gets fu**** and leaves PC for a month because they are out of money I know most of the people in here has hundreds of millions if not billions of ISK but these smaller corps barely have 100 mil isk in the corp wallet If they get kicked out of PC its game over Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...

21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 935	Posted - 2014.05.26 03:11:00 - [31] - Quote Rich MO-FO wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Badass ************, also Lord of the Forums does well. MIKE RUAN IS THE FORUM GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous CCP Logibro is not forum, Mike Ruan is forum! I once owned half of a district.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 406	Posted - 2014.05.26 10:59:00 - [32] - Quote any corporation with over 20 districts, should not get the passive isk (upkeep costs) all other corps, get the passive isk :p Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3595	Posted - 2014.05.26 11:14:00 - [33] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: any corporation with over 20 districts, should not get the passive isk (upkeep costs) all other corps, get the passive isk :p You would just end up with alt and shell corps spreading out who holds the districts. You also have to remember at it's highest number of owned districts ERA was actually representing Fatal Absolution, Teamplayers, Imperfects, Heaven's Lost Property, The Rainbow Effect, and Escrow Removal and Acquisition. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
nickmunson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.05.26 11:40:00 - [34] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: 843 Epidemic wrote: Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO I'll post what I put in the feedback thread. Kain Spero wrote: Again, if you actually win your fights you can recoup the costs of clone packs much more quickly than previously. After speaking with a few people I do see that the adjustment of being forced to kill every clone in battle may need to not happen in this pass. Some numbers: 3x Clone Packs at 45m = 135m upfront cost ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 90m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 200k) = 183m ISK Potentially profit after just taking one hub = 48m ISK The ironic thing is the worse your KDR while still winning your fights the more likely a corp will turn a profit breaking into PC. CEOs still have to organize their members and provide content to keep that corp logging in. I expect that many corps will begin to institute taxes in order to afford clone packs, vehicle replacement programs, player bonuses, etc. The age of ISK going straight to the corp wallet (the directors) from passive and then being doled out to members is indeed coming to an end. The age of 25 to 40m ISK a week paychecks from passive ISK is also coming to an end. so the players who participate in pc will make a little more yes, but a corp as a whole makes nothing, so now they are saying for everyone to abandon corps and become mercs for pc . screw holding land and accomplishing the only thing that is accomplishable with a cause. lets just make it where no one plays cause pc was and always will be the one thing that has brought back and brings player basis together. hell it brought kujo back for a week. and now theres no point, let a corp sit on what they have for what? to say i have a bigger *****? love me or hate me. you kill me i hunt you.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3014	Posted - 2014.05.26 13:05:00 - [35] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Most just say reg The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1920	Posted - 2014.05.26 14:14:00 - [36] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Most just say reg I'm one of the few who call him Reggie, mainly because I always envisioned him as Jamaican, that is, until I heard him talk. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 406	Posted - 2014.05.26 14:26:00 - [37] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: any corporation with over 20 districts, should not get the passive isk (upkeep costs) all other corps, get the passive isk :p You would just end up with alt and shell corps spreading out who holds the districts. You also have to remember at it's highest number of owned districts ERA was actually representing Fatal Absolution, Teamplayers, Imperfects, Heaven's Lost Property, The Rainbow Effect, and Escrow Removal and Acquisition. if it can be exploited, your damn right it will be. as such, has been the history of dust (like seeing blaster tanks with rep mods farm points off of each other on the oceania server and many more unique ways) Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 738	Posted - 2014.05.26 15:20:00 - [38] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Most just say reg pff **** that I'll still call you Peggy and always will. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 170	Posted - 2014.05.26 18:40:00 - [39] - Quote Im liking these changes. Sp PC will actually about fighting instead of huge alliances that pay people passive ISK. See, you guys all act like this is now going to be a consequence for PC. But really, the truth is most of this ISK wasn't going to PC, it was being paid out to people so they could run proto in pubs 24/7. Which broke the game balance, cause equipment costs are supposed to be part of the balancing equation. Once a group of people is able to eliminate that from the balancing equation, things get broken. All the unbalanced matches in pub are a testament to this. As a pub player, i had to balance my gear choices based on how much pub games paid me. Meanwhile, i was up against people who received large subsidies from outside of pub games. Thats going to slowly change now. As reserves dwindle, spamming fully loaded Ion Cannon Maddys is going to become a much more expensive endeavor that not many can afford to due on a regular basis. Destroying them is also going to be more satisfying. In short, using proto is going to go back to being a privilege instead of an entitlement. Im sorry if these changes "hurt PC", but under the present system, the PC passive ISK hurts the gamemode I play the most. So my sympathy is extremely limited in that regard.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 282	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:04:00 - [40] - Quote So in this new PC model the corp will make 0 ISK from owning districts and fighting in PC. Considering the corp is the one paying for clone packs this is a complete failure. Guess it will have to go back to donations like we did pre-corp taxes. "Hey guys want to play a PC?" "Sure I love to play PC." "Ok I will need you all to donate 2,812,500 ISK so we can launch a clone pack." The only corps that will be able to compete will be the ones from DNS that stockpiled all those billions of ISK. So, once again Kain gets changes that favor himself and his cronies. Why CCP? Why?

Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2288	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:38:00 - [41] - Quote What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! Tanker/Logi
Cavani1EE7 The Rainbow Effect 46	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:48:00 - [42] - Quote CCP's logic strikes again 1337
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3147	Posted - 2014.05.26 21:59:00 - [43] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! You generate more clones for free and with that you can launch more attacks on hostile districts. The change is there to encourage fighting. On the plus side even if one alliance has all districts they have to fight each other to generate ISK. This could either mean that large groups dont take over all of the districts or they fight each other for fun in starter fits/BPO's.
Firbolg Barun Dust2Dust. Top Men. 28	Posted - 2014.05.27 09:04:00 - [44] - Quote Now they just need to remove all ISK generated by district locking in the past. The problem is not completely addressed by this fix, since the farming has been going on for a VERY long time.
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 353	Posted - 2014.05.27 10:27:00 - [45] - Quote I still don't understand how this will be helpful, hopefully that is because I am not so bright and the smarties have it figured out rather than it just being a bad system. I stream DUST on YouTube
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4269	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:00:00 - [46] - Quote These are bad changes. There is reason to fight, but there is no reason to hold land. To deny someone income, now all one needs to do is deny them fights. The land they hold is worthless. If someone wanted to bleed out Nyain San all they would have to do is force them to play hard in pubs all day, and they would eventually start operating at a loss. That's a ridiculous system for someone who owns a massive chunk of land to gain zero benefit from it.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3095	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:03:00 - [47] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this will be a disaster? Districtless corps are getting shafted big time. Here's how. The pay 45 mill to attack a district, if they win they get some of their money back. If they lose, the lose it all. Now they have to win three times in a row doing this, because what's the point of a production facility now? And if they win, they get to be a district owning corp. This just seems like really weird corp battles where one side doesn't have to ante up anything and the other side doesn't get a full payout upon winning. A better solution would have been for districts to generate resources that Eve players can use/sell. Imo they should just turn the isk faucet back on for as long as dust lasts, then wipe all assets when legion comes and move to a better model. What's the point of anything now tbh? No point in farming ISK or storing it for that matter...especially when you suggest to wipe all the assets when legion arrives. Removed all hope with this post
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4272	Posted - 2014.05.27 14:05:00 - [48] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! You generate more clones for free and with that you can launch more attacks on hostile districts. The change is there to encourage fighting. On the plus side even if one alliance has all districts they have to fight each other to generate ISK. This could either mean that large groups dont take over all of the districts or they fight each other for fun in starter fits/BPO's. That is a stupid system and makes zero economical sense.... This is the product of a whiny fanbase that can't handle the consequences of losing.
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 355	Posted - 2014.05.27 15:05:00 - [49] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! You generate more clones for free and with that you can launch more attacks on hostile districts. The change is there to encourage fighting. On the plus side even if one alliance has all districts they have to fight each other to generate ISK. This could either mean that large groups dont take over all of the districts or they fight each other for fun in starter fits/BPO's. That is a stupid system and makes zero economical sense.... This is the product of a whiny fanbase that can't handle the consequences of losing. Fanbase or CPM? I stream DUST on YouTube
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3596	Posted - 2014.05.27 15:57:00 - [50] - Quote Actually, finally getting rid of passive ISK was a direct result of the DNS donut and the pursuit of 100% control, so I'd have to thank all the folks that decided to not fight eachother and remove people from PC for making this possible. You served your purpose well. Combining the fact that the two largest landholders giving up their districts should make these changes have some very interesting results and serve as a great base for monitoring the changes. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4276	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:29:00 - [51] - Quote Bore people enough to death and it doesn't matter if one side has 100% or 0%, and it won't matter if its passive income or active income... What you're getting now is a bad system and it won't last very long.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3597	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:43:00 - [52] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Bore people enough to death and it doesn't matter if one side has 100% or 0%, and it won't matter if its passive income or active income... What you're getting now is a bad system and it won't last very long. I guess we'll have to see, but thanks again for your help getting it set up. Although paying you guys @ 750m ISK a week made sure you got something out of it. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4278	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:33:00 - [53] - Quote I'm aware that by being forced to move over to goons officially you have to try to pass everything off as a giant plot in order to save face for your previous failures. Really, I get that aspect of the meta and how it's important to you. But let's drop the act for a moment, I don't really care about your plans, Zatara's plans, Kujo's plans, or anyone's. You're basically all a bunch of kids trying to play James Bond over the internet, and when something doesn't go according to plan you try to pretend it did. It's not just you, all of you guys do it. It's as funny as it is incompetent. Dust meta is most comparable to a bunch of slutty girls smoking in the bathroom talking trash about the other girls at school. But seriously, you haven't actually accomplished anything here. Dust is done and this is the kind of thing a lot of bad players have been whining for, long before MH got to any kind of crazy ownership levels. Terrible players have always resented those who have territory and have actively advocated for them to receive nerfs of all types. Nerfs to "passive" income, nerfs to proto equipment, nerfs to attack vehicles, whatever favors the successful people. This kind of poor design was long in the works and it didn't matter what happened with molden heath. It will come, people will see it is stupid, and it will be changed.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3599	Posted - 2014.05.27 19:17:00 - [54] - Quote I'm sorry your vision is so narrow you can't see how to make ISK in the new environment. Heck I know even Zatara has some pretty creative plans to continue to make ISK. Players will find a way and passive ISK will be put to bed. Also, not really "moving over to goons" since I've been there all along. Fact is that Roman, Espeon, and the other leaders deserve their time to run things. What happens to ERA is up to them and it's extremely clear. Again, getting rid of passive ISK was the plan all along. Just needed a bit more firepower to lay the groundwork for a convincing argument and bluing up all of the best players in the game did the trick. Everyone was so willing to suck at the teat of passive ISK they were willing to do anything to protect it. Even destroy all of PC and everyone's access to it in the process while allying with people that they hated. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
KingBabar MAG was better... 2540	Posted - 2014.05.27 19:30:00 - [55] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: WOW! Kane just killed PC Again... How do you pronounce your name bro? Most just say reg Some say corruption.. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Goat of Dover Heaven's Lost Property 212	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:08:00 - [56] - Quote Im confused about all the people saying whats the point in owning districst now, saying its turned into a **** measuring contest. So when was this game not about measuring your E pen and helping your buddies measure theirs.
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2296	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:19:00 - [57] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! You generate more clones for free and with that you can launch more attacks on hostile districts. The change is there to encourage fighting. On the plus side even if one alliance has all districts they have to fight each other to generate ISK. This could either mean that large groups dont take over all of the districts or they fight each other for fun in starter fits/BPO's. I knew the answer it's a rhetorical question now their literally no reason to hold land except for more clones. This is quite the dumb idea. Tanker/Logi
bunnywink 793	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:25:00 - [58] - Quote I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? G£+ PSN: bunnywink G£+ SKYPE: bunnywink G£+ EVE: Erica Durance
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2296	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:28:00 - [59] - Quote Give me numbers Kain since you seem to be good at that, what would be the ISK payout you would get as an individual player topping the board (is that even a factor in PC?) for a single attack both sides losing roughly 150 clones a piece. Tanker/Logi
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2296	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:29:00 - [60] - Quote bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? Troll. Tanker/Logi

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3153	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:35:00 - [61] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! You generate more clones for free and with that you can launch more attacks on hostile districts. The change is there to encourage fighting. On the plus side even if one alliance has all districts they have to fight each other to generate ISK. This could either mean that large groups dont take over all of the districts or they fight each other for fun in starter fits/BPO's. I knew the answer it's a rhetorical question now their literally no reason to hold land except for more clones. This is quite the dumb idea. Yeah but with those free generated clones you can launch attacks for free. And dont forget that the income from the PC matches is aswell increased. So beeing lazy wont pay off. You have to continuesly search for a district that you can launch a attack on. I could even see a long run agreement where district flipping is prohibited on the community. Lets say your corp holds 5 districts and launches a attack. That attack is not there to flip the district but instead to have a decent fight and good payouts. Ofcourse both sides will still fight hard simply cause the looser gets no ISK payout at all. Another thing is the new system will prevent another blue donout cause its not attractive to hold all of the land. When nobody except 1 alliance has all districts then there is nobody to fight against. So showing mercy on some scrub corp could bring more profit then flipping the district. Cause it is better to get their clone count low and then wait 2-3 days to re attack again to farm them. you see now even the biggest scrubs in the game have a purpose in PC. And that is to get farmed every day while we keep them the illusion that they defended their home successfull.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4281	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:38:00 - [62] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I'm sorry your vision is so narrow you can't see how to make ISK in the new environment. Heck I know even Zatara has some pretty creative plans to continue to make ISK. Players will find a way and passive ISK will be put to bed. Also, not really "moving over to goons" since I've been there all along. Fact is that Roman, Espeon, and the other leaders deserve their time to run things. What happens to ERA is up to them and it's extremely clear. Again, getting rid of passive ISK was the plan all along. Just needed a bit more firepower to lay the groundwork for a convincing argument and bluing up all of the best players in the game did the trick. Everyone was so willing to suck at the teat of passive ISK they were willing to do anything to protect it. Even destroy all of PC and everyone's access to it in the process while allying with people that they hated. You do realize I don't even play the game anymore, right? Making isk isn't exactly a priority if I'm not playing. I'm just commenting on how stupid the game has become. If this is the way you actually wanted the game for whatever reason then good for you, but like I said it won't last. Your idea on what works as a valid gameplay mechanic is basically terrible and will be overruled in time.
bunnywink 794	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:48:00 - [63] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? Troll. No, I'm actually curious! If I wanted to troll, I'd say I've ~always~ been in AE. because, you know, I joined them in November last year. I've been there all along. G£+ PSN: bunnywink G£+ SKYPE: bunnywink G£+ EVE: Erica Durance
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 173	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:55:00 - [64] - Quote bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? They made sure that it failed on PS3 so that CCP would be forced back onto PC where they, and their master-race-minded cronies, would be able to compete in a game based on their personal preferences as opposed to dust's current attempt at consoles. Note: Yeah, I personally blame them all for ruining any chance this game had to be fun for many, because the meta was more important than the actual long-term viability of the game itself.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 151	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:44:00 - [65] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? They made sure that it failed on PS3 so that CCP would be forced back onto PC where they, and their master-race-minded cronies, would be able to compete in a game based on their personal preferences as opposed to dust's current attempt at consoles. Note: Yeah, I personally blame them all for ruining any chance this game had to be fun for many, because the meta was more important than the actual long-term viability of the game itself. EDIT / P.S.-if you don't believe me, just look back at what the main leaders behind the DNS Donut did, where they are now, and who they brag about being a part of (while hiding that fact until the game ended) and how joyous at the Legion turn-of-events. Want some of the donut? (munch) Its cheeto flavored with mountain dew flavored icing. Thanks to our manipulating, I am currently sitting on one hell of a nest egg Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 425	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:20:00 - [66] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? They made sure that it failed on PS3 so that CCP would be forced back onto PC where they, and their master-race-minded cronies, would be able to compete in a game based on their personal preferences as opposed to dust's current attempt at consoles. Note: Yeah, I personally blame them all for ruining any chance this game had to be fun for many, because the meta was more important than the actual long-term viability of the game itself. EDIT / P.S.-if you don't believe me, just look back at what the main leaders behind the DNS Donut did, where they are now, and who they brag about being a part of (while hiding that fact until the game ended) and how joyous at the Legion turn-of-events. Wait, we made money off of the donut? BRB, crucifying paradox ps. confirming goons killed dust
Hobo on Fire Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 275	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:26:00 - [67] - Quote Trolling between game systems is one of the greatest things I have ever participated in.
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 173	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:44:00 - [68] - Quote He asked, I answered based on what I've been told by several people in this thread. You wanted to be called evil masterminds, I finally agreed. Dust is on PC, congrats.
Zohar Colichemarde Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 54	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:04:00 - [69] - Quote GOONS RUIN EVERYTHING HARRUMPH! I <3 Laser Rocks.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Farm 2293	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:11:00 - [70] - Quote The only way any of this would matter is if they wiped ISK. As of now everyone has stockpiled so much ISK that any new guys will struggle to get into PC while the remaining vets are rolling around in billions of ISK and will likely never have to worry about it again. I alone have 600 million ISK sitting around doing nothing. I'm sure many other vets have just as much if not more... Follow me on Twitch.tv!

1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1817	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:22:00 - [71] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: The only way any of this would matter is if they wiped ISK. Definitely The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2296	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:52:00 - [72] - Quote bunnywink wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? Troll. No, I'm actually curious! If I wanted to troll, I'd say I've ~always~ been in AE. because, you know, I joined them in November last year. I've been there all along. I answered your question... what do goonfeet do? Goon feet troll people. Tanker/Logi
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 153	Posted - 2014.05.28 01:20:00 - [73] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: bunnywink wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: bunnywink wrote: I'm a little confused as to what exactly Goons do in Dust. Could you clarify? Troll. No, I'm actually curious! If I wanted to troll, I'd say I've ~always~ been in AE. because, you know, I joined them in November last year. I've been there all along. I answered your question... what do goonfeet do? Goon feet troll people. I take offense to your senseless acquisitions. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 734	Posted - 2014.05.28 01:38:00 - [74] - Quote I too am an evil person who personally forced DNS to form the donut without us in it and I also am 100% responsible for ccp's business decisions and marketing strategies. Or ya'll are idiots who need Jesus.
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2296	Posted - 2014.05.28 02:43:00 - [75] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What's the point of holding more than 1 district?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!!??! You generate more clones for free and with that you can launch more attacks on hostile districts. The change is there to encourage fighting. On the plus side even if one alliance has all districts they have to fight each other to generate ISK. This could either mean that large groups dont take over all of the districts or they fight each other for fun in starter fits/BPO's. I knew the answer it's a rhetorical question now their literally no reason to hold land except for more clones. This is quite the dumb idea. Yeah but with those free generated clones you can launch attacks for free. And dont forget that the income from the PC matches is aswell increased. So beeing lazy wont pay off. You have to continuesly search for a district that you can launch a attack on. I could even see a long run agreement where district flipping is prohibited on the community. Lets say your corp holds 5 districts and launches a attack. That attack is not there to flip the district but instead to have a decent fight and good payouts. Ofcourse both sides will still fight hard simply cause the looser gets no ISK payout at all. Another thing is the new system will prevent another blue donout cause its not attractive to hold all of the land. When nobody except 1 alliance has all districts then there is nobody to fight against. So showing mercy on some scrub corp could bring more profit then flipping the district. Cause it is better to get their clone count low and then wait 2-3 days to re attack again to farm them. you see now even the biggest scrubs in the game have a purpose in PC. And that is to get farmed every day while we keep them the illusion that they defended their home successfull. I'm not an idiot I know what's happening I just disagree with carebear 514. Tanker/Logi
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3606	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:11:00 - [76] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I'm not an idiot I know what's happening I just disagree with carebear 514. Calling a system where ISK only comes from killing other clones carebear ... Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 770	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:47:00 - [77] - Quote Hobo on Fire wrote: Trolling between game systems is one of the greatest things I have ever participated in. I believe you. Because, that's why.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 738	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:54:00 - [78] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: The only way any of this would matter is if they wiped ISK. Definitely Hi Tiberius! Glad to see you survived the rouge wedding. How's things?
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 361	Posted - 2014.05.28 14:13:00 - [79] - Quote confirmed: more goonfleet activity in this thread than in the actual game. I stream DUST on YouTube
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 154	Posted - 2014.05.28 14:30:00 - [80] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: confirmed: more goonfleet activity in this thread than in the actual game. I think the native jimmies have been rustled. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4287	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:07:00 - [81] - Quote I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread?
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3609	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:19:00 - [82] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread? We're everywhere! Better check under the bed and in the cupboard!!! Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 173	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:32:00 - [83] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: This is the product of a whiny fanbase that can't handle the consequences of losing. No, this is the product of Nyain San using PC funding to wage war against militia players in pubs. They made a PC problem into everyones problem. They weren't the only ones doing it, but they did it the most. You are acting like this is a case of someone losing a PC fight and not being happy about it cause they didn't get to collect the reward. Thats not the case at all. CCP is not making the game "boring". They are just ending a massive entitlement and subsidies program that a handful of players were using to negatively impact the game. In an earlier post you said "Well now all someone has to do to bleed out Nyain San is run them down in pubs". Good! The cost of the proto equipment is part of balancing. Its high costs is supposed to limit how often a player will choose to lose it, lest they cross into the red ink. So now Nyain will have their entitlements tap turned off and will have to compete on their own merit. if they are good players this wont be a problem for them. Cutting off the CCP issued ISK welfare check should make things much more interesting all around.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 302	Posted - 2014.05.28 16:11:00 - [84] - Quote Lol, gonna be a LONG while before Nyain San drains their ISK in pubs. Even with this change, people are still holding onto billions. (Some being individual players) ISK wipe CCP, BRING IT!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3978	Posted - 2014.05.28 16:57:00 - [85] - Quote It gets really tiring trying to explain to people that we need MORE people in PC. If that means that it needs to be carebear for a while then so be it. 45 mil ISK clone pack is ******. Reading some of the responses from people here makes my brain hurt. People just don't seem to have a solid grasp on incentives and risk/reward. CCP dropped the ball by not having some other form of Team Deploy. It stacked the odds from the onset in the favor of those that had participated in corp battles in beta. That on top of an SP and an experience gap. Fast forward a year and you have a gamemode that is(was) dominated by a ridiculously small amount of players. I discuss this stuff with Zatara on Skype. It's like some people are just plain delusional about the state of PC and the participation levels. We were having a long argument about how many corps and players have pulled out of PC. Zatara didn't think that was the case. I'm not sure how he could think that, but it seems many other dudes from elite corps have this opinion. PC has hurt Dust from a veteran retention standpoint more than any other thing in my opinion. And we have people in here that want the *** clone pack price to be more than 45 million???? When a lot of known corps have 3 to 5 people on at a time we want people to do BPO 100% tax weekends. I'm a bit doped up on my pain meds at the moment so I am rambling a bit. But is it just me or are some people just completely delusional about the state of the game and what is needed to create interest in PC (or as I like to refer, our only avenue for team deploy). Level 3 Forum Warrior** PSN: wbrom42
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 155	Posted - 2014.05.28 17:06:00 - [86] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It gets really tiring trying to explain to people that we need MORE people in PC. If that means that it needs to be carebear for a while then so be it. 45 mil ISK clone pack is ******. Reading some of the responses from people here makes my brain hurt. People just don't seem to have a solid grasp on incentives and risk/reward. CCP dropped the ball by not having some other form of Team Deploy. It stacked the odds from the onset in the favor of those that had participated in corp battles in beta. That on top of an SP and an experience gap. Fast forward a year and you have a gamemode that is(was) dominated by a ridiculously small amount of players. I discuss this stuff with Zatara on Skype. It's like some people are just plain delusional about the state of PC and the participation levels. We were having a long argument about how many corps and players have pulled out of PC. Zatara didn't think that was the case. I'm not sure how he could think that, but it seems many other dudes from elite corps have this opinion. PC has hurt Dust from a veteran retention standpoint more than any other thing in my opinion. And we have people in here that want the ***** clone pack price to be more than 45 million???? When a lot of known corps have 3 to 5 people on at a time we want people to do BPO 100% tax weekends. I'm a bit doped up on my pain meds at the moment so I am rambling a bit. But is it just me or are some people just completely delusional about the state of the game and what is needed to create interest in PC (or as I like to refer, our only avenue for team deploy). So you're saying I should buy the 225k aur w/ 7 day active omega booster? Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 739	Posted - 2014.05.28 17:31:00 - [87] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: confirmed: more goonfleet activity in this thread than in the actual game. Please show me the fully featured and actively developed fpsmmo that this forum is supposedly about. Seems like that game hasn't even been thumbs up'd for production yet. But yeah, there will probably be way more posting than playing. What of it, friend?
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3315	Posted - 2014.05.28 17:35:00 - [88] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It gets really tiring trying to explain to people that we need MORE people in PC. If that means that it needs to be carebear for a while then so be it. 45 mil ISK clone pack is ******. Reading some of the responses from people here makes my brain hurt. People just don't seem to have a solid grasp on incentives and risk/reward. CCP dropped the ball by not having some other form of Team Deploy. It stacked the odds from the onset in the favor of those that had participated in corp battles in beta. That on top of an SP and an experience gap. Fast forward a year and you have a gamemode that is(was) dominated by a ridiculously small amount of players. I discuss this stuff with Zatara on Skype. It's like some people are just plain delusional about the state of PC and the participation levels. We were having a long argument about how many corps and players have pulled out of PC. Zatara didn't think that was the case. I'm not sure how he could think that, but it seems many other dudes from elite corps have this opinion. I thought I clarified this on skype, but I wasn't debating whether less people were in PC now in terms of player numbers, I totally believe that. I just said that I don't remember the number of corps in PC falling before the high forties until after locking, while being cognizant that 20+ of those were on PFC. Which meant that like 20-25 corps owned 200-220 districts. But certainly I have not forgotten numerous corps have come and gone in terms of holding land themselves. 187., Black Phoenix Mercenaries, Titans of Phoenix, Eliters, TRE, Valor Coalition, Saluki, Dia Valkryie, Maphia, and many others like Dust University, Internal Error/Imps/Teamplayers and much of EoN., New Omens, the list goes on. (Who Gives a Flux cause whoever those guys were they had a great ***** name) CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 739	Posted - 2014.05.28 17:39:00 - [89] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread? Not at all. Some days I too consider slumming it just to escape Eltra. Please check that 200X regdate privilege though. Some of us only just recently squeezed our way in thanks to the value of tenbux rapidly dropping. Unironic thanks Obama!
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.05.28 18:09:00 - [90] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: confirmed: more goonfleet activity in this thread than in the actual game. Please show me the fully featured and actively developed fpsmmo that this forum is supposedly about. Seems like that game hasn't even been thumbs up'd for production yet. But yeah, there will probably be way more posting than playing. What of it, friend? meh I stream DUST on YouTube

Rich MO-FO Heaven's Lost Property 18	Posted - 2014.05.28 18:49:00 - [91] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread? How that isn't suprising... like in any way not suprising that your an SA poster. My Alts are in Real corps
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 155	Posted - 2014.05.28 19:01:00 - [92] - Quote Rich MO-FO wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread? How that isn't suprising... like in any way not suprising that your an SA poster. Cough...now I'm bored! See all goons just want is attention! Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2298	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:42:00 - [93] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I'm not an idiot I know what's happening I just disagree with carebear 514. Calling a system where ISK only comes from killing other clones carebear ... lets all find creative ways to farm ISK by hitting cargo hubs with production facilities so we get 2 wins some ISK, lets not re-up and attack in 4 days when they regen the clones. Lets let everybody especially those deserving of district like FWA onto PC. Lets make it so allies attack each other to farm some more ISK and in our spare time lets pub stomp new corps while only running ADV/STD gear. You're going to make "good fights" less attractive because that's just an ISK sink while also making district flips unattractive lets take the competition out of PC hell it's called planetary conquest yet you get nothing out of conquering all the planets. "Calling a system where ISK only comes from killing other clones carebear" that was beautiful wording I like how you made sure not to use the word profit. Tanker/Logi
Heimdallr69 2456	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:07:00 - [94] - Quote Lmao if you think Nyain will be losing isk you're a moron.. They can make bank in ambush I'd know cuz I did it.. This just means their isk income will be less not that they'll start losing isk Lolz that's good ****. If anything this benefits Nyain. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 433	Posted - 2014.05.29 03:52:00 - [95] - Quote I'd like to interrupt the above badposter's tenuous grasp of English to remind everyone that this thread is now about Goonfeet and our hentai-esque tendrils that have infiltrated every orifice of DUST 514 and CCP.
Heimdallr69 2456	Posted - 2014.05.29 05:15:00 - [96] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: I'd like to interrupt the above badposter's tenuous grasp of English to remind everyone that this thread is now about Goonfeet and our hentai-esque tendrils that have infiltrated every orifice of DUST 514 and CCP. I don't always post but when I do it never makes since. Roses are red grass is greener when I think about you I touch my wiener Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Smoky Fingers Red Star. EoN. 376	Posted - 2014.05.29 07:34:00 - [97] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread? We're everywhere! Better check under the bed and in the cupboard!!! Or else youll end up like Nova Knife I make the goons look like they care.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 677	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:49:00 - [98] - Quote Atiim wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to include custom clone packs? You could pay for each clone individually, but at 300k a pop. That way you could select the amount of clones you need, without having to worry about an expensive cost of admission. However, there would need to be a minimum of clones you'd have to purchase. I thoroughly enjoy this idea.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4292	Posted - 2014.05.29 11:21:00 - [99] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: This is the product of a whiny fanbase that can't handle the consequences of losing. No, this is the product of Nyain San using PC funding to wage war against militia players in pubs. They made a PC problem into everyones problem. They weren't the only ones doing it, but they did it the most. You are acting like this is a case of someone losing a PC fight and not being happy about it cause they didn't get to collect the reward. Thats not the case at all. CCP is not making the game "boring". They are just ending a massive entitlement and subsidies program that a handful of players were using to negatively impact the game. In an earlier post you said "Well now all someone has to do to bleed out Nyain San is run them down in pubs". Good! The cost of the proto equipment is part of balancing. Its high costs is supposed to limit how often a player will choose to lose it, lest they cross into the red ink. So now Nyain will have their entitlements tap turned off and will have to compete on their own merit. if they are good players this wont be a problem for them. Cutting off the CCP issued ISK welfare check should make things much more interesting all around. You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is?
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 178	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:23:00 - [100] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK.

Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 332	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:31:00 - [101] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK. What was stopping your from attacking one of the 244 Online districts? What was stoping every single player in every single corporation in the game who was not in DNS from forming a huge alliance, working together and forming a 16man super team to smack all other teams asses. Let me answer that for you. Lazyness. None of you wanted to put the effort forward to form that team. It would have taken you lots of time and effort. Pride stopped you, lazyness stopped you. None of our teams in DNS could have stopped you. You out numbered us 10 to 1. Owning districts took time and planning. Strategy and strength. Removing the reward from the game, removes the competiveness out of the game. Congrats. Own your 1-3 districts..sit on them. Make NOTHING. No show battles you know your going to lose, and the attacker gets NO isk. They get land...yay. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2299	Posted - 2014.05.29 19:58:00 - [102] - Quote Roman837 wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK. What was stopping your from attacking one of the 244 Online districts? What was stoping every single player in every single corporation in the game who was not in DNS from forming a huge alliance, working together and forming a 16man super team to smack all other teams asses. Let me answer that for you. Lazyness. None of you wanted to put the effort forward to form that team. It would have taken you lots of time and effort. Pride stopped you, lazyness stopped you. None of our teams in DNS could have stopped you. You out numbered us 10 to 1. Owning districts took time and planning. Strategy and strength. Removing the reward from the game, removes the competiveness out of the game. Congrats. Own your 1-3 districts..sit on them. Make NOTHING. No show battles you know your going to lose, and the attacker gets NO isk. They get land...yay. Wouldn't 15o clones be destroyed by the win netting each player around 2m unless that's changed? Though still with no value to districts no one will be too interested in the flip if they have a few districts and it'll just be Farmville 514. Tanker/Logi
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 742	Posted - 2014.05.29 22:40:00 - [103] - Quote As an interruption of your regularly scheduled shitposting, I have the following news: Dust has died already and nothing you whine about in this forum matters. That is all. You may now resume your pointless blathering.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 698	Posted - 2014.05.29 22:44:00 - [104] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: As an interruption of your regularly scheduled shitposting, I have the following news: Dust has died already and nothing you whine about in this forum matters. That is all. You may now resume your pointless blathering. and I have a counter-announcement: Nobody cares what you think, bro. We play cause we enjoy playing. "I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 160	Posted - 2014.05.29 23:10:00 - [105] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: As an interruption of your regularly scheduled shitposting, I have the following news: Dust has died already and nothing you whine about in this forum matters. That is all. You may now resume your pointless blathering. and I have a counter-announcement: Nobody cares what you think, bro. We play cause we enjoy playing. Was that a serious suggestion because if it wasn't then blah blah bah blah. The only point anyone can take away from your pulpit speech against the devil is that you can't read. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 743	Posted - 2014.05.30 03:29:00 - [106] - Quote I'm not your bro, guy.
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 175	Posted - 2014.05.30 03:57:00 - [107] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: I'm not your bro, guy. and I'm not your guy, buddy.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3615	Posted - 2014.05.30 06:19:00 - [108] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Wouldn't 150 clones be destroyed by the win netting each player around 2m unless that's changed? Though still with no value to districts no one will be too interested in the flip if they have a few districts and it'll just be Farmville 514. We've been living in Farmville 514 for over a year. As the system stands right now if a defender no shows then you would still get payment for destroying 150 clones. Feedback from players seems to have stalled out the idea of only the killed clones counting but this may still end up being the case of an attacker no showing a battle yielding no ISK for the defender. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 288	Posted - 2014.05.30 11:13:00 - [109] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Feedback from players seems to have stalled out the idea of only the killed clones counting I hope this is the case. If only the killed clones count then I just don't see any more ISK being made per battle than is now. Rarely do 150+ clones actually get killed by one side.
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2304	Posted - 2014.05.30 11:43:00 - [110] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Wouldn't 150 clones be destroyed by the win netting each player around 2m unless that's changed? Though still with no value to districts no one will be too interested in the flip if they have a few districts and it'll just be Farmville 514. We've been living in Farmville 514 for over a year. As the system stands right now if a defender no shows then you would still get payment for destroying 150 clones. Feedback from players seems to have stalled out the idea of only the killed clones counting but this may still end up being the case of an attacker no showing a battle yielding no ISK for the defender. That's stupid so I could just spam someone's districts that I don't like no show all there battles and ruin chances of them getting ISK Actually ever since your donut was destroyed PC has been fun sure we have 21 ish districts but we had to work for that (excluding the frebee's from AE) and continue to maintain that. I was enjoying the good fights vs ERA and OH despite losing most of them the the last few days and looking forward to HvLP actually developing into competitive corp, now it'll just be an ISK sink. So lets use a 50% W/L ratio as the average W/L vs. a corp your level. I lose an average of 3m perhaps more vs. a solid corp so if I play 10 battles I lose 15 mil if I win even with new clone values I'll just break even or make a mil, so over 10 games I make 5m though it really that means I'm only losing 10m. Tanker/Logi

Paradoxical Nature Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 157	Posted - 2014.05.30 18:00:00 - [111] - Quote Hi, CEO of Goonfeet Here. We, Goons, are the ultimate of ~master conspirators~ and we're the ~guiding hand~ of this entire game. You don't see us because we're your neighbors, brothers, sisters, and even your dog. We're everywhere and nowhere and every time you whisper our name into the chasm of the War Room, you only strengthen our power. Be back in a bit, gotta count my fat-stacks.
Samahiel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 415	Posted - 2014.05.30 18:46:00 - [112] - Quote Roman837 wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK. What was stopping your from attacking one of the 244 Online districts? What was stoping every single player in every single corporation in the game who was not in DNS from forming a huge alliance, working together and forming a 16man super team to smack all other teams asses. Let me answer that for you. Lazyness. None of you wanted to put the effort forward to form that team. It would have taken you lots of time and effort. Pride stopped you, lazyness stopped you. None of our teams in DNS could have stopped you. You out numbered us 10 to 1. Owning districts took time and planning. Strategy and strength. Removing the reward from the game, removes the competiveness out of the game. Congrats. Own your 1-3 districts..sit on them. Make NOTHING. No show battles you know your going to lose, and the attacker gets NO isk. They get land...yay. Heaven forbid people respond to incentives and try to maximize their enjoyment in limited play time. Don't they know we're all supposed to wear hair shirts and flagellate ourselves in the name of e-bushido. Games should be competitive and dynamic because they're fun to engage in. With a low barrier to entry and a deep and complex strategic element that rewards mastery without squashing the development of new talent.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 165	Posted - 2014.05.30 19:05:00 - [113] - Quote Samahiel wrote: Roman837 wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK. What was stopping your from attacking one of the 244 Online districts? What was stoping every single player in every single corporation in the game who was not in DNS from forming a huge alliance, working together and forming a 16man super team to smack all other teams asses. Let me answer that for you. Lazyness. None of you wanted to put the effort forward to form that team. It would have taken you lots of time and effort. Pride stopped you, lazyness stopped you. None of our teams in DNS could have stopped you. You out numbered us 10 to 1. Owning districts took time and planning. Strategy and strength. Removing the reward from the game, removes the competiveness out of the game. Congrats. Own your 1-3 districts..sit on them. Make NOTHING. No show battles you know your going to lose, and the attacker gets NO isk. They get land...yay. Heaven forbid people respond to incentives and try to maximize their enjoyment in limited play time. Don't they know we're all supposed to wear hair shirts and flagellate ourselves in the name of e-bushido. Games should be competitive and dynamic because they're fun to engage in. With a low barrier to entry and a deep and complex strategic element that rewards mastery without squashing the development of new talent. For the pubbies sake TL;DR: change is good, you is bad. But seriously a game like dust (cough...legion...cough) needs a barrier to entry but more balanced than we have seen in the past. Having a district and flipping a district with the new numbers does have an advantage (think really hard). Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1952	Posted - 2014.05.30 19:34:00 - [114] - Quote so, on a sidenote, I just had a braeburn apple. Felt a bit mealy, honeycrisp and Fuji apples are better, not as bad as Gala apples, though. I also like Granny Smith apples. There's also this new mango that's currently in season here in MD. Tastes really good, can't wait to put it in some pancakes and see how it tastes. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 165	Posted - 2014.05.30 20:08:00 - [115] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: so, on a sidenote, I just had a braeburn apple. Felt a bit mealy, honeycrisp and Fuji apples are better, not as bad as Gala apples, though. I also like Granny Smith apples. There's also this new mango that's currently in season here in MD. Tastes really good, can't wait to put it in some pancakes and see how it tastes. Man I hate Granny Smith, but I love me some Fuji. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1953	Posted - 2014.05.30 21:28:00 - [116] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: so, on a sidenote, I just had a braeburn apple. Felt a bit mealy, honeycrisp and Fuji apples are better, not as bad as Gala apples, though. I also like Granny Smith apples. There's also this new mango that's currently in season here in MD. Tastes really good, can't wait to put it in some pancakes and see how it tastes. Man I hate Granny Smith, but I love me some Fuji. You ever had a honeycrisp? They're hard to find unless in the fall season. But... They... are... Amazing. Granny Smiths are honestly, to me, a desperate fallback incase I can't get a Honeycrisp or Fuji. They're also good for cooking, but who doesn't know that. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 169	Posted - 2014.05.30 21:37:00 - [117] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: so, on a sidenote, I just had a braeburn apple. Felt a bit mealy, honeycrisp and Fuji apples are better, not as bad as Gala apples, though. I also like Granny Smith apples. There's also this new mango that's currently in season here in MD. Tastes really good, can't wait to put it in some pancakes and see how it tastes. Man I hate Granny Smith, but I love me some Fuji. You ever had a honeycrisp? They're hard to find unless in the fall season. But... They... are... Amazing. Granny Smiths are honestly, to me, a desperate fallback incase I can't get a Honeycrisp or Fuji. They're also good for cooking, but who doesn't know that. I never had a honeycrisp raw, but an apple pie made with honeycrisp apples is amazing. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4297	Posted - 2014.05.31 00:26:00 - [118] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK. You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 171	Posted - 2014.05.31 00:59:00 - [119] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You just made pubs more relevant than PC. Do you have any idea how backwards that is? Its not about prioritizing game modes. The concept is exceedingly simple to understand: PC passive ISK was supposed to be used to bankroll PC warfare; Conquests, defenses, and reimbursing your mercenaries for their losses. Instead, corps agreed to not fight eachother just to hold land . They refused to play so they could use the PC ISK like a welfare check to finance other endeavors. Since PC ISK was not being used to finance PC, its being removed. Thats not my fault. Blame those who colluded to not fight and just collect passive ISK. You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. DAMN YOU POOR STUPID PEOPLE ITS YOUR FAULT FOR OUR SUFFERING!!! (Its creepy how this idea is propagated so easily in the right wing and relevant to the ongoing political and socioeconomical environment in the US) Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 181	Posted - 2014.05.31 05:08:00 - [120] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. The irony is staggering. So you guys locked districts and farmed ISK to pubstomp because there wasnt enough of a turn over of competitive players.... ...Meanwhile, new players were getting stomped and decided to give up on the game, significantly hurting player retention and ensuring that the top tier of the playerbase would remain stagnant. Therefore ensuring that the future generation of competitive players would be sparse. You keep trying to put the problem on everyone else. But each time, it leads right back to where I said it did. Just own up and take responsibility for what you guys collectively did; You took advantage of something to the point that you forced CCPs hand into acting. Dont blame new players who you didnt give time and space to build themselves up, dont blame people who protested the unsustainable status quo, dont blame CCP. Blame those whos actions brought us here today. Blame those who created a problem that needed solving. lionshead nebula wrote: DAMN YOU POOR STUPID PEOPLE ITS YOUR FAULT FOR OUR SUFFERING!!! (Its creepy how this idea is propagated so easily in the right wing and relevant to the ongoing political and socioeconomical environment in the US) In all fairness, the U.S. political spectrum is so charged and polarized these days that both sides are host to completely unreasonable rhetoric and ideology. When i say "sense of entitlement", and "welfare check", I dont mean to target anyone of any political learning specifically, as both sides are guilty of it. The "left wing" wants free stuff for the poor as their "entitlements", and the right wing wants obscene, useless procurement contracts and other big government projects to go to their districts as "entitlements". Whether we are talking about giving a $100 of food stamps to someone who doesnt need them, or building 100s of tanks we never asked for, its abuse of tax money that some people feel they are entitled to. But im preaching to the choir here. Youre a Goon. From what Im told you guys are good at economics.

longbeachcityfinest west Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.05.31 05:47:00 - [121] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: What's the point of conquest then? Bragging rights? Clone pack going up to 150 is good....could cost a little more than $45M though. crydubz rip rnd...
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 171	Posted - 2014.05.31 13:55:00 - [122] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. The irony is staggering. So you guys locked districts and farmed ISK to pubstomp because there wasnt enough of a turn over of competitive players.... ...Meanwhile, new players were getting stomped and decided to give up on the game, significantly hurting player retention and ensuring that the top tier of the playerbase would remain stagnant. Therefore ensuring that the future generation of competitive players would be sparse. You keep trying to put the problem on everyone else. But each time, it leads right back to where I said it did. Just own up and take responsibility for what you guys collectively did; You took advantage of something to the point that you forced CCPs hand into acting. Dont blame new players who you didnt give time and space to build themselves up, dont blame people who protested the unsustainable status quo, dont blame CCP. Blame those whos actions brought us here today. Blame those who created a problem that needed solving. lionshead nebula wrote: DAMN YOU POOR STUPID PEOPLE ITS YOUR FAULT FOR OUR SUFFERING!!! (Its creepy how this idea is propagated so easily in the right wing and relevant to the ongoing political and socioeconomical environment in the US) In all fairness, the U.S. political spectrum is so charged and polarized these days that both sides are host to completely unreasonable rhetoric and ideology. When i say "sense of entitlement", and "welfare check", I dont mean to target anyone of any political learning specifically, as both sides are guilty of it. The "left wing" wants free stuff for the poor as their "entitlements", and the right wing wants obscene, useless procurement contracts and other big government projects to go to their districts as "entitlements". Whether we are talking about giving a $100 of food stamps to someone who doesnt need them, or building 100s of tanks we never asked for, its abuse of tax money that some people feel they are entitled to. But im preaching to the choir here. Youre a Goon. From what Im told you guys are good at economics. I was only making a point to show how **** bleeds through and permeates everything, not passing judgement. Both sides have problems with their policies and I have problems with both sides, being bought and paid for by conglomerates. Spot on breakdown of how blueing up negatively impacted the game as a whole. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4307	Posted - 2014.05.31 15:01:00 - [123] - Quote Quote: ...Meanwhile, new players were getting stomped and decided to give up on the game, significantly hurting player retention and ensuring that the top tier of the playerbase would remain stagnant. Therefore ensuring that the future generation of competitive players would be sparse. Prove it. Show me the exact relationship and how it is the key issue surrounding player retention. And I'm not talking about bogus political theories, I want actual proof. And tbh, it wouldn't matter if I was running proto, advanced, or standard. I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players either way. So this changed nothing, except when I decide to run cheap it's impossible for them to kill anything actually worth something.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 171	Posted - 2014.05.31 15:23:00 - [124] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Quote: ...Meanwhile, new players were getting stomped and decided to give up on the game, significantly hurting player retention and ensuring that the top tier of the playerbase would remain stagnant. Therefore ensuring that the future generation of competitive players would be sparse. Prove it. Show me the exact relationship and how it is the key issue surrounding player retention. And I'm not talking about bogus political theories, I want actual proof. And tbh, it wouldn't matter if I was running proto, advanced, or standard. I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players either way. So this changed nothing, except when I decide to run cheap it's impossible for them to kill anything actually worth something. What is this insatiable need to stroke your e-peen truly about, why do you continue to do it? Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4309	Posted - 2014.05.31 15:31:00 - [125] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Quote: ...Meanwhile, new players were getting stomped and decided to give up on the game, significantly hurting player retention and ensuring that the top tier of the playerbase would remain stagnant. Therefore ensuring that the future generation of competitive players would be sparse. Prove it. Show me the exact relationship and how it is the key issue surrounding player retention. And I'm not talking about bogus political theories, I want actual proof. And tbh, it wouldn't matter if I was running proto, advanced, or standard. I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players either way. So this changed nothing, except when I decide to run cheap it's impossible for them to kill anything actually worth something. What is this insatiable need to stroke your e-peen truly about, why do you continue to do it? They say when you get married you can either be happy, or you can be right. I am not yet married, therefore I am making the most of the time god has granted me and enjoying both quite thoroughly.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 171	Posted - 2014.05.31 15:44:00 - [126] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Quote: ...Meanwhile, new players were getting stomped and decided to give up on the game, significantly hurting player retention and ensuring that the top tier of the playerbase would remain stagnant. Therefore ensuring that the future generation of competitive players would be sparse. Prove it. Show me the exact relationship and how it is the key issue surrounding player retention. And I'm not talking about bogus political theories, I want actual proof. And tbh, it wouldn't matter if I was running proto, advanced, or standard. I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players either way. So this changed nothing, except when I decide to run cheap it's impossible for them to kill anything actually worth something. What is this insatiable need to stroke your e-peen truly about, why do you continue to do it? They say when you get married you can either be happy, or you can be right. I am not yet married, therefore I am making the most of the time god has granted me and enjoying both quite thoroughly. Sounds like you're overcompensating due to being full of ****. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4309	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:00:00 - [127] - Quote You say that, but the superiority complex your signature implies suggests to me there is a good amount of projection going on. The direct use of curse words in an insulting fashion also breaks A-typical Goon Troll Doctrine, which normally makes use of the original posters logic and turns it against them to make that person feel truly stupid. The breaking of this doctrine suggests to me a heightened level of agitation and a low level of competence, which would make you a textbook case for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Tell me about your mother.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 171	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:17:00 - [128] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You say that, but the superiority complex your signature implies suggests to me there is a good amount of projection going on. The direct use of curse words in an insulting fashion also breaks A-typical Goon Troll Doctrine, which normally makes use of the original posters logic and turns it against them to make that person feel truly stupid. The breaking of this doctrine suggests to me a heightened level of agitation and a low level of competence, which would make you a textbook case for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Tell me about your mother. You say that, but the inability to read into sentences leaves you lacking perspective, if you had asked, I would have said that my signature is that way because of the Legion announcement and how it made me feel. If you had asked I would have said, my previous post was posted as such because i wasn't trolling, I was straight up calling you on your BS. As it wasn't breaking of doctrine, your last sentence is wholly inaccurate. Either you jumped to conclusions or you designed your post entirely around a prefabricated idea of me and Dunning-Kruger Effect. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1954	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:34:00 - [129] - Quote I find Black, Asian, and White/Asian chicks super hot. I just think that a good hybrid between white and Asian would be a totally hot combo. White chicks face, boobs and butt, with the Asian chicks personality, nose and bod would be awesome. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4311	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:42:00 - [130] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You say that, but the superiority complex your signature implies suggests to me there is a good amount of projection going on. The direct use of curse words in an insulting fashion also breaks A-typical Goon Troll Doctrine, which normally makes use of the original posters logic and turns it against them to make that person feel truly stupid. The breaking of this doctrine suggests to me a heightened level of agitation and a low level of competence, which would make you a textbook case for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Tell me about your mother. You say that, but the inability to read into sentences leaves you lacking perspective, if you had asked, I would have said that my signature is that way because of the Legion announcement and how it made me feel. If you had asked I would have said, my previous post was posted as such because i wasn't trolling, I was straight up calling you on your BS. As it wasn't breaking of doctrine, your last sentence is wholly inaccurate. Either you jumped to conclusions or you designed your post entirely around a prefabricated idea of me and Dunning-Kruger Effect. I see you are avoiding the subject of your mother. Does it trouble you when this topic is brought up?

lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 176	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:46:00 - [131] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You say that, but the superiority complex your signature implies suggests to me there is a good amount of projection going on. The direct use of curse words in an insulting fashion also breaks A-typical Goon Troll Doctrine, which normally makes use of the original posters logic and turns it against them to make that person feel truly stupid. The breaking of this doctrine suggests to me a heightened level of agitation and a low level of competence, which would make you a textbook case for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Tell me about your mother. You say that, but the inability to read into sentences leaves you lacking perspective, if you had asked, I would have said that my signature is that way because of the Legion announcement and how it made me feel. If you had asked I would have said, my previous post was posted as such because i wasn't trolling, I was straight up calling you on your BS. As it wasn't breaking of doctrine, your last sentence is wholly inaccurate. Either you jumped to conclusions or you designed your post entirely around a prefabricated idea of me and Dunning-Kruger Effect. I see you are avoiding the subject of your mother. Does it trouble you when this topic is brought up? No it doesn't, but keep trying. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Samahiel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 417	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:47:00 - [132] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. Woooow. You're going to die alone and miss everything fun and cool in life. No other player owes you a damn thing. People don't play a game just so you can have the privilege of triumphing over them. Nothing is owed to you at all. If anything it's in the self interest of CCP to develop a game space that fosters meaningful and lasting competition; so that people willingly want to participate. Instead of blaming other players with such vitriol, why don't you join the voices of the community in providing constructive and useful feedback to the developers?
Paradoxical Nature Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 159	Posted - 2014.05.31 16:51:00 - [133] - Quote Samahiel wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. Woooow. You're going to die alone and miss everything fun and cool in life. No other player owes you a damn thing. People don't play a game just so you can have the privilege of triumphing over them. Nothing is owed to you at all. If anything it's in the self interest of CCP to develop a game space that fosters meaningful and lasting competition; so that people willingly want to participate. Instead of blaming other players with such vitriol, why don't you join the voices of the community in providing constructive and useful feedback to the developers? Because it's too hard for some to come up with meaningful, constructive, cogent arguments as well as potential solutions. Nope. Too hard. It's far more easier to blame others.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1955	Posted - 2014.05.31 17:08:00 - [134] - Quote Paradoxical Nature wrote: Samahiel wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. Woooow. You're going to die alone and miss everything fun and cool in life. No other player owes you a damn thing. People don't play a game just so you can have the privilege of triumphing over them. Nothing is owed to you at all. If anything it's in the self interest of CCP to develop a game space that fosters meaningful and lasting competition; so that people willingly want to participate. Instead of blaming other players with such vitriol, why don't you join the voices of the community in providing constructive and useful feedback to the developers? Because it's too hard for some to come up with meaningful, constructive, cogent arguments as well as potential solutions. Nope. Too hard. It's far more easier to blame others. Hmmmm, I have to accept Himi as my home boy. Therefore, I must find a way to deter the swarm of goons upon his person. But how to do such an act..... Hmmmm....... I know!!! Bad Rap scares everyone!! Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 178	Posted - 2014.05.31 17:10:00 - [135] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Paradoxical Nature wrote: Samahiel wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're being silly. Agreeing not to fight had nothing to do with passive isk and everything to do with the fact we were all tired of fighting the same group of people day in and day out for months. The inactive, inadequate and scrubby players are entirely to blame for the state of things. They failed to create content. Woooow. You're going to die alone and miss everything fun and cool in life. No other player owes you a damn thing. People don't play a game just so you can have the privilege of triumphing over them. Nothing is owed to you at all. If anything it's in the self interest of CCP to develop a game space that fosters meaningful and lasting competition; so that people willingly want to participate. Instead of blaming other players with such vitriol, why don't you join the voices of the community in providing constructive and useful feedback to the developers? Because it's too hard for some to come up with meaningful, constructive, cogent arguments as well as potential solutions. Nope. Too hard. It's far more easier to blame others. Hmmmm, I have to accept Himi as my home boy. Therefore, I must find a way to deter the swarm of goons upon his person. But how to do such an act..... Hmmmm....... I know!!! Bad Rap scares everyone!! Thats my jam!!! Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 181	Posted - 2014.05.31 17:20:00 - [136] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Prove it. Show me the exact relationship and how it is the key issue surrounding player retention. And I'm not talking about bogus political theories, I want actual proof. I dont have Dev access to the numbers Dust generates. All I got is that out of 10 friends i referred, 0 are still playing, and all gave more or less the same reason as to why they abandoned Dust. You obviously have some kind of inferiority complex that is magnified by video game success, so you might not understand this, but its equally unfun to be on the side that is doing the stomping. People like a good game. Suppressing the enemy inside their red line makes for an boring match. When you are a new player, and every match is either "All the enemies are hiding from me in the MCC" or "im hiding from the enemies in the MCC", it makes playing futile and people just play other games. You may not realize this, but the FPS market is saturated. You dont give people a good reason to stay, they wont. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players LOL You are into defecating on people? Thats a little extreme, I dont need to hear about that.
RAIDER 04 The Exemplars Top Men. 1	Posted - 2014.06.01 03:15:00 - [137] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players Where I'm from that costs double...
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4325	Posted - 2014.06.01 04:19:00 - [138] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Prove it. Show me the exact relationship and how it is the key issue surrounding player retention. And I'm not talking about bogus political theories, I want actual proof. I dont have Dev access to the numbers Dust generates. All I got is that out of 10 friends i referred, 0 are still playing, and all gave more or less the same reason as to why they abandoned Dust. You obviously have some kind of inferiority complex that is magnified by video game success, so you might not understand this, but its equally unfun to be on the side that is doing the stomping. People like a good game. Suppressing the enemy inside their red line makes for an boring match. When you are a new player, and every match is either "All the enemies are hiding from me in the MCC" or "im hiding from the enemies in the MCC", it makes playing futile and people just play other games. You may not realize this, but the FPS market is saturated. You dont give people a good reason to stay, they wont. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'd take a massive dump on your whiny new incompetent players LOL You are into defecating on people? Thats a little extreme, I dont need to hear about that. Your friends quit because the game sucks, not because people like me shat on them. Were the game designed well, the match would have ended shortly after all points were capped. You can blame CCP for dragging it out. But don't blame people like me because I played correctly while your friends were having difficulty removing the controller from their mouth. It's not as though I enjoy their presence anymore than they enjoy mine, but somehow their terrible neglect for common sense was not the driving factor behind my decision to play or quit the game.
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 157	Posted - 2014.06.01 05:23:00 - [139] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I'm sorry your vision is so narrow you can't see how to make ISK in the new environment. Heck I know even Zatara has some pretty creative plans to continue to make ISK. Players will find a way and passive ISK will be put to bed. Also, not really "moving over to goons" since I've been there all along. Fact is that Roman, Espeon, and the other leaders deserve their time to run things. What happens to ERA is up to them and it's extremely clear. Again, getting rid of passive ISK was the plan all along. Just needed a bit more firepower to lay the groundwork for a convincing argument and bluing up all of the best players in the game did the trick. Everyone was so willing to suck at the teat of passive ISK they were willing to do anything to protect it. Even destroy all of PC and everyone's access to it in the process while allying with people that they hated. So with this are you saying that you manipulated players with mislead ideals of opening up more MH territory and other regions by going 100% blue, yet really your true goal was to go 100% in order to get rid of passive isk in PC, furthermore using your authority as a CPM to guide actual gameplay direction in the favor of your personal ideals of riding passive isk in the first place? Either im crazy or you just completely abused your right as a CPM... and just admitted it... *TRUE LOGi* \|Director of Fatal Absolution & LOD\| \|Ringer Hub Creator\| Skype: xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 9002	Posted - 2014.06.01 05:32:00 - [140] - Quote xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote: So with this are you saying that you manipulated players with mislead ideals of opening up more MH territory and other regions by going 100% blue, yet really your true goal was to go 100% in order to get rid of passive isk in PC, furthermore using your authority as a CPM to guide actual gameplay direction in the favor of your personal ideals of riding passive isk in the first place? Either im crazy or you just completely abused your right as a CPM... and just admitted it... Where did he say that more land was going to be opened up, or that it was even a consideration by CCP? HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND

Heimdallr69 2466	Posted - 2014.06.01 06:31:00 - [141] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I find Black, Asian, and White/Asian chicks super hot. I just think that a good hybrid between white and Asian would be a totally hot combo. White chicks face, boobs and butt, with the Asian chicks personality, nose and bod would be awesome. I may have read this Wong do to being high... But \o/ Asian women all day Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3114	Posted - 2014.06.01 12:31:00 - [142] - Quote longbeachcityfinest west wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: What's the point of conquest then? Bragging rights? Clone pack going up to 150 is good....could cost a little more than $45M though. crydubz rip rnd... Lulz....says the guy that's constantly crying to me in skype, begging me to take him back. Removed all hope with this post
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3114	Posted - 2014.06.01 12:41:00 - [143] - Quote Was that guy serious when he said goons were running dust?? Removed all hope with this post
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 181	Posted - 2014.06.01 14:03:00 - [144] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Was that guy serious when he said goons were running dust?? Yes. Welcome to hell, please take a ticket. Your irrelevancy will be calculated in an orderly fashion.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3991	Posted - 2014.06.01 14:17:00 - [145] - Quote I'm pretty sure Dubbs is a goon Almost Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3131	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:34:00 - [146] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm pretty sure Dubbs is a goon dubbs? no... he isn't part of the great organization... ALL HAIL PARA, ALL HAIL PARA I am an Idiot, and so are you!
Moronic Farce Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 217	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:59:00 - [147] - Quote During closed beta a UFO crashed in the forest neat Manus Peak and goonfeet quickly sealed off the area. They hauled it back to their home base of "area 69, haha get it? high five bro" and began the work of reverse engineering it. Today they use the stolen tech to oppress the rightful lords of this universe, the PC corps, and deprive them of their ISK and E-cred. A clone in your merc quarters is worth two in ambush.
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4	Posted - 2014.08.08 21:34:00 - [148] - Quote Moronic Farce wrote: During closed beta a UFO crashed in the forest near Manus Peak and goonfeet quickly sealed off the area. They hauled it back to their home base of "area 69, haha get it? high five bro" and began the work of reverse engineering it. Today they use the stolen tech to oppress the rightful lords of this universe, the PC corps, and deprive them of their ISK and E-cred. To Be continued next time on A Dust Bunny's Realm Under the Couch.
MR MOJOO Inner.Hell 0	Posted - 2014.08.10 20:34:00 - [149] - Quote So that means we can go into districts and figth off drone infestation like ccp has always planned or not because if no then districts just become useless Hi!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3294	Posted - 2014.08.10 23:06:00 - [150] - Quote removal of passive ISK will only just have corps and their alt corps attacking each other to farm the ISK from the matches instead of trying to conquer. > Check RND out here

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4233	Posted - 2014.08.11 16:41:00 - [151] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm pretty sure Dubbs is a goon dubbs? no... he isn't part of the great organization... ALL HAIL PARA, ALL HAIL PARA I don't remember saying that, I must have been really, really high. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42


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