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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2014.05.25 04:05:00 -
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.25 17:03:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:Good to see clone pack price increase, now even less people can afford to get into PC! WOO
I'll post what I put in the feedback thread.
Kain Spero wrote:
Again, if you actually win your fights you can recoup the costs of clone packs much more quickly than previously. After speaking with a few people I do see that the adjustment of being forced to kill every clone in battle may need to not happen in this pass.
Some numbers:
3x Clone Packs at 45m = 135m upfront cost
ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 90m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 200k) = 183m ISK
Potentially profit after just taking one hub = 48m ISK
The ironic thing is the worse your KDR while still winning your fights the more likely a corp will turn a profit breaking into PC.
CEOs still have to organize their members and provide content to keep that corp logging in. I expect that many corps will begin to institute taxes in order to afford clone packs, vehicle replacement programs, player bonuses, etc. The age of ISK going straight to the corp wallet (the directors) from passive and then being doled out to members is indeed coming to an end. The age of 25 to 40m ISK a week paychecks from passive ISK is also coming to an end.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:28:00 -
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Nothing will change the fact that if you can't win then you won't earn anything.
I can run through the numbers on the current system if you'd like? They are much worse in terms of a corp getting a return on investment.
Current numbers:
3x Clone Packs at 36m = 108m upfront cost
ISK paid out destroying 450 clones on a hub = 45m + ISK from clones lost while attacking (avg 80 attacker clones x 3 x 100k) = 69m ISK
Potential profit after just taking one hub = -39m ISK
Days to wait until hub is full = 450 total - 70 remaining from attack / 80 = 5 days
Days of full clones without launching attacks needed to make profit for passive generation = 39m Cost / 8.8m ISK in clones sales per day = 5 days
That's 10 days you have to hold the district in order to turn a profit in addition to winning the initial matches.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:38:00 -
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Rich MO-FO wrote:
I'll be stupid and do this, add more types of clone packs 100 man for 30 Mill 45 for 150 man
The problem with this is that it would require UI in order to select the different size packs which means it would require a client side change, which isn't a possibility right now.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.26 11:14:00 -
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Spartan MK420 wrote:any corporation with over 20 districts, should not get the passive isk (upkeep costs)
all other corps, get the passive isk :p
You would just end up with alt and shell corps spreading out who holds the districts. You also have to remember at it's highest number of owned districts ERA was actually representing Fatal Absolution, Teamplayers, Imperfects, Heaven's Lost Property, The Rainbow Effect, and Escrow Removal and Acquisition.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:57:00 -
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Actually, finally getting rid of passive ISK was a direct result of the DNS donut and the pursuit of 100% control, so I'd have to thank all the folks that decided to not fight eachother and remove people from PC for making this possible. You served your purpose well. Combining the fact that the two largest landholders giving up their districts should make these changes have some very interesting results and serve as a great base for monitoring the changes.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.27 16:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Bore people enough to death and it doesn't matter if one side has 100% or 0%, and it won't matter if its passive income or active income...
What you're getting now is a bad system and it won't last very long.
I guess we'll have to see, but thanks again for your help getting it set up.  Although paying you guys @ 750m ISK a week made sure you got something out of it.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.27 19:17:00 -
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I'm sorry your vision is so narrow you can't see how to make ISK in the new environment. Heck I know even Zatara has some pretty creative plans to continue to make ISK. Players will find a way and passive ISK will be put to bed.
Also, not really "moving over to goons" since I've been there all along. Fact is that Roman, Espeon, and the other leaders deserve their time to run things. What happens to ERA is up to them and it's extremely clear.
Again, getting rid of passive ISK was the plan all along. Just needed a bit more firepower to lay the groundwork for a convincing argument and bluing up all of the best players in the game did the trick. Everyone was so willing to suck at the teat of passive ISK they were willing to do anything to protect it. Even destroy all of PC and everyone's access to it in the process while allying with people that they hated.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.28 13:11:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
I'm not an idiot I know what's happening I just disagree with carebear 514.
Calling a system where ISK only comes from killing other clones carebear ... 
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:19:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I suppose now is a bad time to mention I've been a Goon longer than most of the Goons in this thread?
We're everywhere! Better check under the bed and in the cupboard!!!
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:19:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
Wouldn't 150 clones be destroyed by the win netting each player around 2m unless that's changed? Though still with no value to districts no one will be too interested in the flip if they have a few districts and it'll just be Farmville 514.
We've been living in Farmville 514 for over a year.
As the system stands right now if a defender no shows then you would still get payment for destroying 150 clones. Feedback from players seems to have stalled out the idea of only the killed clones counting but this may still end up being the case of an attacker no showing a battle yielding no ISK for the defender.
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