You wouldn't be able to spam anything. You'd go from 16 to 20 shots With my suggestion, harldy enough to break the Balance. You could then do one charge shot + 6 single shots, still far from enough to take Down a properly tanked armor suit.

I'm not asking for this un to become God-mode, far from it, I just want it to be relevant. Seing the killfeed in an average game and its Clear that this gun has become a unicorn. I'd like more diversity than RR - CR - HMG and shotguns...

So these guns are meant for fun and are not intended to be a viable alternative for competitve play and thats ok With you.

Fair enough.

Yeah and I have proff 5 on 5 light weapons...

HMG is fine dont get caught in CQC

Slow down happens with all weapons and seems to be worst with scouts

And yet I use my md for fun....not much dps there...Although scouts hate me...

I often use my MD for CB's. Very effective and super effective at taking out Equipment. An excellent sollution for taking out the typical blob of Gallente Heavy+logis standing on 14 rep hives. I took out 11 equioments With 2 shots a week ago....

The MD is also very good both as an anti scout weapon or as a general CQC/city map weapon where you have walls all over the Place giving you slpash damage...

The weapon is also by me mostly used for fun and drunk Fridays, but its still an effective though situational weapon.

Everyone grab a stick and a rock each make sure there the same size as the next guys though because thats what its gonna take for all these babys to stop crying nerf / buff

I got a great word for you. ! ADAPT !

Everyone grab a stick and a rock each make sure there the same size as the next guys though because thats what its gonna take for all these babys to stop crying nerf / buff

I got a great word for you. ! ADAPT !

Again and again and again.....

I have absolutely no problem With adapting.... Its a simple matter of not using the gun, I can stick to :
- Duvolle AR
- Creodron AR
- Freedom MD
- Assault MD
- kalakiota
- Assault RR
- Boundless CR
- Six Kin
- Carthrum Ascr
- Carthrum Assault SMG and scrambler pistol

I just think its a shame that this gun isn't a viable option for high Level play anymore, in fact, I think its so bad compared to all my other guns that I've even stopped using it for pubs.

Balance = Variation

Again and again and again.....

I have absolutely no problem With adapting.... Its a simple matter of not using the gun, I can stick to :
- Duvolle AR
- Creodron AR
- Freedom MD
- Assault MD
- kalakiota
- Assault RR
- Boundless CR
- Six Kin
- Carthrum Ascr
- Carthrum Assault SMG and scrambler pistol

I just think its a shame that this gun isn't a viable option for high Level play anymore, in fact, I think its so bad compared to all my other guns that I've even stopped using it for pubs.

Balance = Variation

With Proficiency V a Scrambler Rifle is 135%.

What's your point?

The only problem I see here is the fact that people believe that a Laser Weapon is underpowered because it's ineffective against armor.

If you ask yourself "Are SCRs great against shields?" and the answer is yes, then the weapon is fine and working as intended. If you answer no, then you should probably remove DUST from your PS3.

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Oh hush Atiim, you're just happy you're not being one shotted by scramblers any more. Let me guess, you use the OP combat rifle though don't you?

Hmmm are you stupid ?
FIRST, nobody have 100% accuracy in this game.
SECOND, on the ScR 1/8 of shots are not registred because of lag / hit detection / Netcode.

Because it's a Semi-auto, missing some shots AND shots landing but not registred is a HUGE loss of DPS against other wepaons that can miss half mag and still have higher DPS......

THIRD : Damage profile, RR and CR can have 125% on armor, dude it means a STD CR makes better work than Proto Vizian double damage mods on armor.
While CR is NOT an Anti-armor weapon at all but HYBRID.

As he said, a Viziam can shot about 960 damage before it overheat, which is the equivalent of empty mag on a CR.
STD CR : 27 x 54 = 1458 damage WITHOUT damage profile and NO damager.
PRO CR : 29.7 x 54 = 1609.

At same level : TWICE MORE DAMAGE.
And with NO DAMAGER, NO DAMAGE PROFILE on CR.
Double damager, Damage profile and Proficiency 5 on ScR.

Yeaaah so balanced.........
Must be Minmatarr....

Babar whats the point of this? I thought you got your passive scanning skills axed out? It should be by no means a issue for you to evade heavies. If you try to take on a heavy up front as a scout you deserve to die. And lol the HMG has a short range and sucks hard at medium-long range. It has the effictive range like a SMG maybe slightly more.

As I have both as Close to maxed out it makes no difference, this is my opinion.

The CR, burst edititon, is still insanely powerful, yes I know its supposed to shred People but come on! A 5-10% reduction to damage would put it more in the line with the other rifles.

The Scrambler, single shot edition, has become another unicorn. I almost never see it anymore. I've tried it out, even With two complex damage mods and its a pathetic shadow of its fomer glory. Yes it will shred Shields but then it stops. The combined effect of the general damage reduction and the change to the profficiency skill has made this gun close to pointless. Try going up against a RR user who is armor tanked and the odds are greatly stacked against you. As far as I can remember I have only seen it in use twice since the launch of 1.8. I have huge problems killing any kind of somewhat properly tanked armor suit before overheating. Sidearms is often not an issue due to range. I suggest it gets back the 8.8% pr so base damage that got reduced With 1.8, the Assault scrambler is just fine the way it is.

The HMG is in my opinion the most unbalanced gun in the game. The main problem here is the pushback effect of the bullets. When I get hit my character stops moving or is slowed Down to a crawl and I just have to take it. In practise it might aswell have been an auto shotgun With 3-4 times the range. It is just so blasted annoying to run by someone, if I get shot by any other gun I take damage but can still move out of the way, if it happens to be a HMG shooting me, my dude stops and just take it until he dies, a very short time after. I don't have any beef With the damage of the gun nor do I With the amount of HP etc. But that pushback effect combined With a relatively long range and very high damage is just too much. Or am I off here? Is th gun supposed to be that way? With a build in webifier or whatever its called?

Tweaking these Three weapons would go a long way in terms of Balance and IMO it will increase the enjoyment for a lot of players.

It doesnt need a buff on dmg.... it needs a reduction to overheat. Think about it, now that u deal less dmg is more likely thaat u will overheat before u kill someone, without mention u wont survive a second encounter. So ccp doesnt have to change his dmg structure for 1.8.

The insanely expensive to fit and buy proto Viziam does 57,2 Points of damage towards armor.

With the max amount of shots before overheating in a not Amarr Assault suit being 16, this adds up to being:

915,2 Points of damage vs armor before overheat. That means that you can barely kill a suit before overheating, if its a well tanked fatty or Gallente logi you're screwed. If it doesn't deserve a damage boost then perhaps an overheat reduction?

The numbers tell one tale and the practical usage tells another, both say that this gun is currently UP compared to the other 3 main Battle rifles.

Oh hush Atiim, you're just happy you're not being one shotted by scramblers any more. Let me guess, you use the OP combat rifle though don't you?

Oh hush Ziiro, you're just mad your not one shotting with scramblers anymore. Let me guess, you used the OP scrambler rifle though didn't you?

Allow me to re-apply your biased logic here.


And for the record, I use every weapon in the game. (Even Flaylocks)

ScR was never OP brotato chip, CR has always been OP, the ignorant masses were just too ignorant to realize it and cried over the RR instead.

Considering how it had an insanely low TTK when compared to every other weapon in the game, it was just about as OP as the Combat Rifle, Assault Rifle, and Rail Rifle.

The insanely expensive to fit and buy proto Viziam does 57,2 Points of damage towards armor.

With the max amount of shots before overheating in a not Amarr Assault suit being 16, this adds up to being:

915,2 Points of damage vs armor before overheat. That means that you can barely kill a suit before overheating, if its a well tanked fatty or Gallente logi you're screwed. If it doesn't deserve a damage boost then perhaps an overheat reduction?

The numbers tell one tale and the practical usage tells another, both say that this gun is currently UP compared to the other 3 main Battle rifles.

Overheat brosiedon. CR can take out a heavy EZ MOAD like...the ScR can't OHK a heavy, you have to charge shot, spam, overheat, spam some more, and most likely you'll be dead before you manage that.

CR > all