Or

Step 1: Grab any Combat Rifle/HMG
Step 2: Spam R1 or Hold it down
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit

I agree with you that Spamming R1 is not skillful use of the ScR, I have always advocated for well aimed volleys. With that said you're idea of the correct way to use the ScR will get you killed, any other weapon (CR for example) will out dps you before you can take a breather to line up another charge shot.

Now imagine in Planetary Conquest, to those who have only played pubs; it is a completely different world. Balancing weapons based on pubs kills it in Planetary Conquest, why do you think you only see CRs, HMGs and shottys in PC nowadays?

Do. Not. Balance. For. Pubs.

Same here. I use the Boundless CR.

No reason to use any other weapon.


AGAIN, im not saying it needs a nerf (maybe just FITTING wise) , but the SCR needs a buff to go in par with the CR.

MAYBE:
RETURN the high RoF it had pre 1.8. keep the damage nerf of course , but let us shoot quick successive shots after a charged one.

The AR, needs to STAY exactly the same,EXCEPT with the damage it had pre 1.8.

This way things would be balanced i think.

the CR and SR are fine.

you do know that they are Supposed to go AGAINST each other (factioon wise).
since amar fight minmatar they got to have some high ROF weapons with increadible dps like they are now.
do you know how squishy matari are against a SR but yet in a way amarr are squishy when against a CR so they go hand in hand with each other.

the RR and AR should be like that too but obviously in there own ways, sadly they arent because the RR does a sh*t ton of dmg but the AR does "balanced" dmg even though the AR could use a dmg buff

amarr do inasane shield dmg and minmatar do insane armor dmg. in a straight up fight with 2 proto out suits (1 matari and 1 amarr) the person to win would be the 1 with the better skill.

And to all the kids claiming my "toy got nerfed" and that I'm merely QQIng I have this to say:

I have AR - CR - MD and Scr almost completely maxed out, I use all the guns dependant on the mood of the day. I've started to use the Carthum Assault Scr a lot lately, its very good, I'll gladly go up against armor tanked suits With that gun. The Viziam single shot Scr which I've always loved using due to the markmansship Challenge that follows naturally if you wanna get a good score is removed from my fittings. I tried it for hours, mostly With 2 enhanced dmg mods and its so weak and hard to be successfull With that even a basic CR is far more effective.

I don't come here and QQ because of some sort of personal gain, I have lots of guns to choose from anyways. Its just sad that this iconic and very cool gun is marginalized to the occational Amarr loyalist or masorchist roaming the Battlefield. I haven't died a single time to this gun since the launch of 1.8, and that says a lot IMO, I tend to die a lot due to my scrubby way of play.

So you use the Assault Scrambler Rifle which has the same damage profile, reduced heat build up, same scope, same kick, similar dispersion against an armour suit and it good enough that you will and I quote "gladly go up against armour tanked suits" . Prehaps then it's down to the way you use the rifle. Don't forget Gallatean suits now have innate reps so if you are using a charge shot against armour your actually nullifying decent amount of your damage.

If the Assault Scrambler works well against Armour then you need to use the single shot in a similar way. All you are proving is that it's not the gun that's the problem.
YOU are using the wrong gun in the wrong situation in the wrong way. That's why it feels weak.

Nothing to do with the gun itself.

Bah! Thats not true at all. The above mentioned example is, an example. I quickly found out that the charged shots areen't that great vs anything but low HP suits. I used the single shots more and more and it helped a little.

In regards to the Ascr, all the stuff you mention is probably true, but not that relevant. I can vs armor shoot:

72*32= 2304 damage from first Clip and then continue after reload... And this is a rough etimate vs armor alone.

With the Viziam I can get:
16*60 = 960 point of damage and then it overheats....

(Yes these numbers arent 100% accurate, but Close enough to reality to be viable for discussion...)

Maybe if you want to run a scrambler you should try and squad up with some people and work as a team? You take out the shields they take out the armour - you know, use teamwork

If on the other hand you want to play rambo thinking you can solo everyone it probably won't get you very far in this game, it's not COD. Maybe have a look in the 'rookie training grounds' forum and see if you can pick up some tips?

Maybe if you want to run a scrambler you should try and squad up with some people and work as a team? You take out the shields they take out the armour - you know, use teamwork

If on the other hand you want to play rambo thinking you can solo everyone it probably won't get you very far in this game, it's not COD. Maybe have a look in the 'rookie training grounds' forum and see if you can pick up some tips?

And what about DPS? 960 is still A LOT of damage with the exception of a completly bricked gal heavy, who even then only reaches 1200 armour, you have enough damage to deal with the majority of suits in the game. The fact that 2 suits just about survive your onslaught actually shows just how powerful the weapon is.

Tell me exactly how many suits can reach 960 Armour without being brick tanked?

With over 500 CB's played I reckon I know more about teamwork than you my good sir.

It says a lot about Your character when you reply in this manner, the "We hate KingBabar Club" is that way ---->

And Your argument is that this gun is meant for stripping Shields before teammates join in and finish the job With "proper guns".

Thank you very much, you basically made a very good point on my behalf in this discussion....

And lastly, what has rambo playstyle to do With anything? So I'm suppose to be abe to go 1 vs 1 With any gun but this cause its too weak vs armor and thats ok and balanced to you?

Moron.

Hmmm are you stupid ?
FIRST, nobody have 100% accuracy in this game.
SECOND, on the ScR 1/8 of shots are not registred because of lag / hit detection / Netcode.

Because it's a Semi-auto, missing some shots AND shots landing but not registred is a HUGE loss of DPS against other wepaons that can miss half mag and still have higher DPS......

THIRD : Damage profile, RR and CR can have 125% on armor, dude it means a STD CR makes better work than Proto Vizian double damage mods on armor.
While CR is NOT an Anti-armor weapon at all but HYBRID.

As he said, a Viziam can shot about 960 damage before it overheat, which is the equivalent of empty mag on a CR.
STD CR : 27 x 54 = 1458 damage WITHOUT damage profile and NO damager.
PRO CR : 29.7 x 54 = 1609.

At same level : TWICE MORE DAMAGE.
And with NO DAMAGER, NO DAMAGE PROFILE on CR.
Double damager, Damage profile and Proficiency 5 on ScR.

Yeaaah so balanced.........
Must be Minmatarr....

And what about DPS? 960 is still A LOT of damage with the exception of a completly bricked gal heavy, who even then only reaches 1200 armour, you have enough damage to deal with the majority of suits in the game. The fact that 2 suits just about survive your onslaught actually shows just how powerful the weapon is.

Tell me exactly how many suits can reach 960 Armour without being brick tanked?

With all my guns I can kill any suit in the game before I have to reload, With most guns I can miss half my shots and still kill most opponents. This is the case of every single weapon in the game except the Scr. A fatsuit today can easily get 1700-1800 HP, remember, I still need to take out the Shields before I get to the armor. Its simply not possible to kill most fatsuits and indeed armor tanked medium suits without overheating.

I'm not asking for a damage buff anymore, but a reduction to the overheat mechanic is needed.

SO a scr can do 960 before overheat,
the Ascr can do 2300 before reload and this is ok and balanced in Your opinion?
A Duvolle does about 1800 damage per Clip
A Boundles CR does about the same, I could co on....

No, they do 110% to armor

With proficiencies it's 125%
Wake up.

You have alpha weapon, it would be unbalanced to give it the same dpc as full auto rifles

You do know that the scr is super overpowered vs caldari and minmatar, right?

WHAT THE **** ?
Dude, just get out, 2 post 2 bullshit, you clearly don't know what you are saying. And about what you're talking about.

Alpha weapons, semi auto weapons at the contrary ALWAYS need to have higher DPS than Full auto weapons, because DPS of alpha wepaon can't be reached.

Problem : With Damage profile, their DPS is LOWER than Full auto weapon.
+ It's no longer an Alpha weapon, his RoF is now LOCKED. (still can't be achieved.)

Max RoF is 705RPM (really hard to achieve, lose all accuracy with)
With damage profile *****, ScR lose 20% damage, while others wins 25% you see the problem ?

All of us know the rr, cr, and the scr is op/partly op (scr)

Caldari Assault With RR vs Amarr Assault With Scr = About on Equal terms. The Viziam will shred Shields but its a weapon that can't be spammed and it takes skill to use. The RR will shred armor and are far easier to use. So IMO, they are fairly balanced vs each other, agreed?

The sad part is that the Caldari RR combo will be more or less equally effective vs anything else as well, while the Viziam Amarr setup is very weak vs armor tanked suits. So yes, there definately is an imbalance going on...

Okay..... You're drunk, go home.
Seems like you don't have 1.8 anyway.....
"All of us know" blah lbah, you're still talking with 1.7 numbers......seriously, Update yourself.

ScR is UNDERDOG, since Proficiencies changes, Hard nerf, AND stealth nerf. (RoF was nerfed, he's no longer unlimited)

With proficiencies it's 125%
Wake up.

@1st Lieutenant Tiberius

Not really. A Flux Grenade can't kill someone, and the only way to lob rounds with "impunity" is if you allow them to. Though you could always utilize the same tactics as other weapon users (in reverse). Simply strip their shields, and then toss in a Basic Locus Grenade. That's a guaranteed 600HP of damage, which will leave any Armor tanker (who's still living) with a giant hole in them.

Yes, it's not a finisher weapon. So what? Every rifle was not designed for the same purpose (bar killing people), and every rifle works differently, as opposed to being a re-skin with different color bullets. Is that a problem?

What are you going on about? It's not like anyone would get prof V on a rifle anyways. Also, there's something really wrong with your math. At Proficiency V, the Scrambler Rifle would have a 35% shield bias, while the Combat Rifle would only have 25% armor bias.

No, you should not be able to. I'm sorry you didn't read the fine print, but the SCR is a Laser Weapon. Being the inverse of Explosive Weaponry, it should have similar downsides to it. Welcome To New Eden, where you have to make a sacrifice for extreme damage biases.

Increasing the heat sink would just allow you to Charge and then spam R1 for an insta-kill, and remove the need to pace your shots properly. Buffing it's heat sink wouldn't reward proper and skilled use, it would reward spam.

If you want a buff, use the Amarr Commando for it's damage bonus (you can even carry another Light Weapon to make up for it's downsides). Otherwise, HTFU

@1st Lieutenant Tiberius

Not really. A Flux Grenade can't kill someone, and the only way to lob rounds with "impunity" is if you allow them to. Though you could always utilize the same tactics as other weapon users (in reverse). Simply strip their shields, and then toss in a Basic Locus Grenade. That's a guaranteed 600HP of damage, which will leave any Armor tanker (who's still living) with a giant hole in them.

Yes, it's not a finisher weapon. So what? Every rifle was not designed for the same purpose (bar killing people), and every rifle works differently, as opposed to being a re-skin with different color bullets. Is that a problem?

What are you going on about? It's not like anyone would get prof V on a rifle anyways. Also, there's something really wrong with your math. At Proficiency V, the Scrambler Rifle would have a 35% shield bias, while the Combat Rifle would only have 25% armor bias.

No, you should not be able to. I'm sorry you didn't read the fine print, but the SCR is a Laser Weapon. Being the inverse of Explosive Weaponry, it should have similar downsides to it. Welcome To New Eden, where you have to make a sacrifice for extreme damage biases.

Increasing the heat sink would just allow you to Charge and then spam R1 for an insta-kill, and remove the need to pace your shots properly. Buffing it's heat sink wouldn't reward proper and skilled use, it would reward spam.

If you want a buff, use the Amarr Commando for it's damage bonus (you can even carry another Light Weapon to make up for it's downsides). Otherwise, HTFU