The insanely expensive to fit and buy proto Viziam does 57,2 Points of damage towards armor.

With the max amount of shots before overheating in a not Amarr Assault suit being 16, this adds up to being:

915,2 Points of damage vs armor before overheat. That means that you can barely kill a suit before overheating, if its a well tanked fatty or Gallente logi you're screwed. If it doesn't deserve a damage boost then perhaps an overheat reduction?

The numbers tell one tale and the practical usage tells another, both say that this gun is currently UP compared to the other 3 main Battle rifles.

Too many to ansver individually so I'll try this:

@ MonkeyMac: Increasing the time betwen buersts is a very bad idea. You remove the skill aspect of the gun, making all that uses it putting out the same DPS. With lowered damage and the current firerate the guys who can shoot faster and still be accurate will be rewarded with a better DPS than the other guy.
What? Spamming a button at about 6 times a second to achieve full auto and thus incredibly powerful DPS is a skill? So lets just say we give a straight damage nerf, what about the poor guy who can only manage 4 times a second? Hegets royally screwed, you nerf it a bit more till the point where only 6 taps a second is enough to be competitive, the weapon is then considered broke due to its lack of DPS by the general community. So instead of punishing everyone who isn't the Rocky Balboa of button pressing or modded controller user. We limit the bursts per second, which is the only other thing you can control. At full blast the CR reaches over twice the amount of DPS of equivalent rifles, therfore reducing the maximum number of bursts from 6 to 3 reduces the weapons DPS, without punishing those who aren't abusing the weapon.

@ Steadyhand Amarr - so you top the boards in PC with that gun? Really? Or are we talking about pubs here?
Why would you use STD in PC? Of course he is talking Pubs and FW you know where about 80% of the games playerbase currently reside. Where you get more diversity than just the FOTM Spam that is PC.

- As stated in the OP, using a SMG/Scr combo just doesn't work. The Scr has the second longest range in the game, its ablity to put down a lot of alpha damage at range is the gus strongpoint shooting someone at 80 metres and then switching to my SMG? Not a valid point.
So get a commando and finish them of with a Rail Rifle then, if you know the weapons strong points are so damn strong, stop whining about the weak points.

@Stcarlos- So I'm supposed to not use the Scr vs armor tanked suits? So I should roam the battlefield and tell the armor tanked suits to not shoot back at me cause I'm a Scr user? Or try to finidh them off with m SMG at 80 meters distance? Can't you see how increadibly stupid your point is?
Pretty much, you are using a Shield Centric weapon, therfore you will be good against Shields and weak to armour, that is called balance. What you do is you get a friend with either Rail Rifle or Combat Rifle to deal with the Armour for you, as is there job. CCP are trying to push for things like damage profiles to make more of a difference, if you don't like the concept feel free to leave.

- The Scr got a 8.8 % general damage reduction - add in the profficiency damage loss to armor and the nerf to damage mods (The nerf to damage mods affect this weapon more than any other. One thing is that its a high Alpha weapon which works best dealing loads of damage quickly and then pull back a little, myself and many others have used to use it with 2-3 complex damage mods and full profficiency, thats were much of the QQ threads came from.)
Yeah you were all whining because you can melt EVERYHING anymore, god forbid you should actually have to use tactics and/or different weapon types.

So in practical effect the gun has lost rougly 33% of its damage vs armor. Yes I know its not supposed to shred to a Gallente fatsuit but as it stands now, the gun is close to pointless compared to the other rifles. I can't see any scenario where this gun is the best to use, short of fighting a team of shield tankers and I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Why? Whenever I run my Mass Driver which lost just as much (even including a 20 HP damage buff) against shields, all I ever seem to encounter is Shield Tankers, its called tactics, if theymare run armour centric suits, you run armour centric weapons.

Or

Step 1: Grab any Combat Rifle/HMG
Step 2: Spam R1 or Hold it down
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit

I agree with you that Spamming R1 is not skillful use of the ScR, I have always advocated for well aimed volleys. With that said you're idea of the correct way to use the ScR will get you killed, any other weapon (CR for example) will out dps you before you can take a breather to line up another charge shot.

Now imagine in Planetary Conquest, to those who have only played pubs; it is a completely different world. Balancing weapons based on pubs kills it in Planetary Conquest, why do you think you only see CRs, HMGs and shottys in PC nowadays?

Do. Not. Balance. For. Pubs.

Same here. I use the Boundless CR.

No reason to use any other weapon.


AGAIN, im not saying it needs a nerf (maybe just FITTING wise) , but the SCR needs a buff to go in par with the CR.

MAYBE:
RETURN the high RoF it had pre 1.8. keep the damage nerf of course , but let us shoot quick successive shots after a charged one.

The AR, needs to STAY exactly the same,EXCEPT with the damage it had pre 1.8.

This way things would be balanced i think.

And to all the kids claiming my "toy got nerfed" and that I'm merely QQIng I have this to say:

I have AR - CR - MD and Scr almost completely maxed out, I use all the guns dependant on the mood of the day. I've started to use the Carthum Assault Scr a lot lately, its very good, I'll gladly go up against armor tanked suits With that gun. The Viziam single shot Scr which I've always loved using due to the markmansship Challenge that follows naturally if you wanna get a good score is removed from my fittings. I tried it for hours, mostly With 2 enhanced dmg mods and its so weak and hard to be successfull With that even a basic CR is far more effective.

I don't come here and QQ because of some sort of personal gain, I have lots of guns to choose from anyways. Its just sad that this iconic and very cool gun is marginalized to the occational Amarr loyalist or masorchist roaming the Battlefield. I haven't died a single time to this gun since the launch of 1.8, and that says a lot IMO, I tend to die a lot due to my scrubby way of play.

Bah! Thats not true at all. The above mentioned example is, an example. I quickly found out that the charged shots areen't that great vs anything but low HP suits. I used the single shots more and more and it helped a little.

In regards to the Ascr, all the stuff you mention is probably true, but not that relevant. I can vs armor shoot:

72*32= 2304 damage from first Clip and then continue after reload... And this is a rough etimate vs armor alone.

With the Viziam I can get:
16*60 = 960 point of damage and then it overheats....

(Yes these numbers arent 100% accurate, but Close enough to reality to be viable for discussion...)

Hmmm are you stupid ?
FIRST, nobody have 100% accuracy in this game.
SECOND, on the ScR 1/8 of shots are not registred because of lag / hit detection / Netcode.

Because it's a Semi-auto, missing some shots AND shots landing but not registred is a HUGE loss of DPS against other wepaons that can miss half mag and still have higher DPS......

THIRD : Damage profile, RR and CR can have 125% on armor, dude it means a STD CR makes better work than Proto Vizian double damage mods on armor.
While CR is NOT an Anti-armor weapon at all but HYBRID.

As he said, a Viziam can shot about 960 damage before it overheat, which is the equivalent of empty mag on a CR.
STD CR : 27 x 54 = 1458 damage WITHOUT damage profile and NO damager.
PRO CR : 29.7 x 54 = 1609.

At same level : TWICE MORE DAMAGE.
And with NO DAMAGER, NO DAMAGE PROFILE on CR.
Double damager, Damage profile and Proficiency 5 on ScR.

Yeaaah so balanced.........
Must be Minmatarr....