-Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it.
-Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray.
-Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible

The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe.

Squad up, watch each others back, there's your cloak nerf right there

How far into 1.8 are we ??? This is way to early to call nerfs on Cloaking
At the beginning of 1.7, HAV's were dominating by far, but due to players
Adapting to using AV roles they were dealt with easily enough, bar some

Scouts are only learning how to use this cloak that for once, actually does what it should
The Cloak/Shotgunners in majority are the same guys who would be stomping in any FOTM
Nerfing cloaks hurts Scouts, who finally fill a unique role on the battlefield in Dust514
Rather than jumping straight on Forums to QQ for nerfs, try adapting....

Scouts being invisible adds a whole new layer of CQC to our gaming
While being tough to deal with, this is early days yet.......
Squad up, watch each others back, there's your cloak nerf right there

Having a designated scan scout can save the squad from minjas easily.

The people who are complaining don't care enough to counter cloaks using precision enhancers or scanners. A corpmate of mine uses to complex precision enhancers and manages to see most cloaked scouts. It might suck for health but that's the price you pay for countering basically an entire strategy of many enemies. Even if one person does this in a squad and sticks together, passive scans can protect you. Having a designated scan scout can save the squad from minjas easily.

I say let it play out and eventually if there is no nerf people will adapt and sacrifice their up tank for precision

I pulled this from another thread here, and will be pulling some more suggestions from that thread, as well as adding some more ideas as to possible changes.

What I would like to see is what the community thinks is most important, so I'm creating this poll to help us see that.
This is a multiple answer poll so please choose as many as you think are needed.

http://poll.pollcode.com/38898533

Please post any other ideas not currently in the poll down below.

Then why don't scouts have to squad up in order to be effective?
Why don't scouts have to look behind them and use their eyes?

Yeah sure I could do all these things that people keep telling me to do, but instead I can skill into scouts in order to:

-See where the enemy is at all times
-Not be detected easily
-Play by myself
-Get kills before anyone else can
-Run away without fear of someone chasing me
-Counter other scouts easily

Yet if I want to play ANY other roles I have to adapt in so many ways to counter scouts. Using tactics to counter scouts all the time is like carrying around swarm launchers or forge guns all the time because I have to always be prepared to counter a tank.

Except the things that counter scouts counter every other infantry as well. SL/FG do not help you against anything but tanks (generalizing that most people aren't FG prodigies).

Also you're basically listing the perks of being a scout. This could be done with any suit. Heavies never have to worry about grenades or explosives in general. They have the best CQC weapon available. They have enough health to drop just about any suit in a CQC. They're targets for logi support.
Logis are still able to tank a ridiculous amount of health. They get more equipment and bonuses to them. They have back speed bonuses. They get the most WP in general.

You could keep going. My point is that scouts are good for ewar. That's the point of using a scout. It really seems like they're all getting **** for finally having a strength to play against the med/heavy suits

CCP hasn't changed the Shotgun in months except for a few minor fixes, its the combination of the Cloak + Shotgun that is making the weapon look powerful.

In this case its the Suit + Cloak Combined with the Shotgun. But the Shotgun itself is not OP.

Then why don't scouts have to squad up in order to be effective?
Why don't scouts have to look behind them and use their eyes?

Yeah sure I could do all these things that people keep telling me to do, but instead I can skill into scouts in order to:

-See where the enemy is at all times
-Not be detected easily
-Play by myself
-Get kills before anyone else can
-Run away without fear of someone chasing me
-Counter other scouts easily

Yet if I want to play ANY other roles I have to adapt in so many ways to counter scouts. Using tactics to counter scouts all the time is like carrying around swarm launchers or forge guns all the time because I have to always be prepared to counter a tank.

I have to say, the combo of shotgun and cloak isn't very skilful. I have zero skills in it but did incredibly well with just a militia. Felt really cheap to the point I couldn't continue after my 2nd kill.

How far into 1.8 are we ??? This is way to early to call nerfs on Cloaking
At the beginning of 1.7, HAV's were dominating by far, but due to players
Adapting to using AV roles they were dealt with easily enough, bar some

Scouts are only learning how to use this cloak that for once, actually does what it should
The Cloak/Shotgunners in majority are the same guys who would be stomping in any FOTM
Nerfing cloaks hurts Scouts, who finally fill a unique role on the battlefield in Dust514
Rather than jumping straight on Forums to QQ for nerfs, try adapting....

Scouts being invisible adds a whole new layer of CQC to our gaming
While being tough to deal with, this is early days yet.......
Squad up, watch each others back, there's your cloak nerf right there

We're just coming up on 8 days of the cloak being released. Give the meta a chance to catch up.

On a couple of other points.

I like the idea of the flux clearing the cloak, but it should not wipe out shields as well. Cloaks would need to be assigned a HP value that relates to their stamina, otherwise cloaked units will be naked and defenceless, unless they armor tank, which further marginalises Minmatar and Caldari scouts.

Cloak delay before firing won't make a difference. The cloak is being used for position, so they're not shooting from in front of you unless they're terrible, or you're terrible. An additional half second to a second delay won't stop someone shooting you in the back with a shotgun. Additional delay, instead, harms the ability for cloaked units to be able to respond when caught out, which is exactly opposite to the scenerio being talked about.

The pervasiveness of cloaks is not an indication of OPness. It's an indication of CCP introducing a completely new mechanism for the first time in months, combined with a respec that allows people to try it out. Give it another fortnight and you'll see a reduction in scouts/cloaks.

Brick-tanking is and has been an issue well before deployment of the cloak, and shouldn't be used as a measure. Does it need to be fixed? Yes. Is it exacerbating other issues? Yes. Should balance be made on the basis of a mechanic that is purvasive across all suits? No.

In a similar vein, Assaults are lacklustre currently and shouldn't be looked at as the measure for balance. Assaults need to be fixed, not other things broken to align with them. Scouts vs heavies is a better indicator of balance, and I think they're in a fairly reasonable place currently.

And finally, the pre-release cloak QQ is the reason we have the implementation we do. If the original system had been in place, units firing from cloak would have drained the cloak. So combined with the 50% requirement to re-cloak, it would have meant units would be unable to instantly disapear after an alpha strike. QQ has gotten us to where we are, so be consdierate in requests for change, the results may not be what you expect.

o7

Bump for the evening guys

That's like saying you need a designated tank in your squad in order to counter other tanks -_-