gotten to the point where I just wish I could buy all the Cloaks from the Market and keep them away from all the scrubs.

Scout + Cloak is far too common right now, it doesn't take a genius to notice that this is the new FOTM.

I know for sure that my breach shotgun will not ohk or even two shot a fully tanked sentinel. It irritates me.

My 2 isk on the other arguments earlier in the thread:
The argument that flux should disable a cloak entirely is also bs. It would render caldari scouts in particular exceedingly vulnerable and be a hard counter rather than a tactical one. It would be the same issue when av grenades could pop 800k tanks. The shield based scouts would cease to exist.

Armor scouts it wouldnt be so bad. I have played a gallente scout since the things were released. The speed on my suits are high enough to get out of the blast radius but honestly people just need to adjust. Cloaks arent the problem, I personally think fire rate on the shotguns are a problem. Drop the fire rate on all shotguns to that of the breach to simulate cycling another shell into the chamber and increase the breaches reload speed. Maybe a point or two more damage for breaches across the board to compensate for the low shell count. It needs to be able to kill a tanked sentinel in its magsize if shotguns are the counter to heavy suits. This isnt a must but would be nice.

just my 2 isk

hell nah, then you penalize everyone who uses a sg and no cloak. the breach SG is never used for a reason

The people who are complaining don't care enough to counter cloaks using precision enhancers or scanners. A corpmate of mine uses to complex precision enhancers and manages to see most cloaked scouts. It might suck for health but that's the price you pay for countering basically an entire strategy of many enemies. Even if one person does this in a squad and sticks together, passive scans can protect you. Having a designated scan scout can save the squad from minjas easily.

I say let it play out and eventually if there is no nerf people will adapt and sacrifice their up tank for precision

I pulled this from another thread here, and will be pulling some more suggestions from that thread, as well as adding some more ideas as to possible changes.

What I would like to see is what the community thinks is most important, so I'm creating this poll to help us see that.
This is a multiple answer poll so please choose as many as you think are needed.

http://poll.pollcode.com/38898533

Please post any other ideas not currently in the poll down below.
Here's one specifically that I forgot to include in the poll that I absolutely support:

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Another great community summary here

Then why don't scouts have to squad up in order to be effective?
Why don't scouts have to look behind them and use their eyes?

Yeah sure I could do all these things that people keep telling me to do, but instead I can skill into scouts in order to:

-See where the enemy is at all times
-Not be detected easily
-Play by myself
-Get kills before anyone else can
-Run away without fear of someone chasing me
-Counter other scouts easily

Yet if I want to play ANY other roles I have to adapt in so many ways to counter scouts. Using tactics to counter scouts all the time is like carrying around swarm launchers or forge guns all the time because I have to always be prepared to counter a tank.

Probably unnoticed, but almost all my kills are made from a place that you could put a 2 sec declack animation and it wouldn't matter. I also will declack from a bit of a distance to catch up faster and grab a quick hit then back into the clack. You could make just about any change to the animation and I wouldn't notice it.

Again, easiest solution to clack is situational awareness.

The scouts that shotgunned me before still shot gun me. The scouts I killed before still get killed.

I really can not say that I feel like cloaks have turned the tides in either direction from my point of view. Honestly in my opinion if cloaks are an issue for you maybe you should stop with the tunnel vision towards the end of your gun and pay attention to the other 90% of the screen.

Sign me up as one of the few who does not use a cloak and is totally fine with them as they are.

reduce timer to 30/45/60
reduce bonus to 15%
force decloak animation whether u push R1 or R2 and cant fire until full decloak of the animation

I get real tired of hearing all this BS coming from scan crutch users and heavy suits about scouts. I ran scouts a long timfact o, stopped for awhile, and have now picked them up again in 1.8

Stealth is king right now, as it should be. Scouts were in a real bad place before. With all the scanner spam going around, there was almost never a time you didn't get spotted, and no one had cloaks back then. Now that we can avoid radar and scans, people are crying that needs to be gotten rid of because everybody only wants to look right in front of them. I was someone who used to always carry an adv quantum scanner and I'm glad they're gone.

Everybody that runs scouts with speed mods instead of brick tanking, surprise and stealth is our primary offensive weapon. We get seen and unless we're at immediate close range, we're dead. The cloaking weapon fire issue does need to be fixed, but as far as I'm concerned, stealth can stay as is. Start checking the perimeter of your squad and behind you for once.

Plus like someone said above, precision enhancers are now relevant. Under your idea, you in the Gallente logis, should be able to scan everything while only sacrificing one equipment slot while still fully stacking armor and shield mods, but scouts should have to double and triple dampen to avoid scans leaving us without speed enhancers or an extra armor reserve.

Then why don't scouts have to squad up in order to be effective?
Why don't scouts have to look behind them and use their eyes?

Yeah sure I could do all these things that people keep telling me to do, but instead I can skill into scouts in order to:

-See where the enemy is at all times
-Not be detected easily
-Play by myself
-Get kills before anyone else can
-Run away without fear of someone chasing me
-Counter other scouts easily

Yet if I want to play ANY other roles I have to adapt in so many ways to counter scouts. Using tactics to counter scouts all the time is like carrying around swarm launchers or forge guns all the time because I have to always be prepared to counter a tank.

Here's my view on cloaks ...... your all dam fuckinglucky my Gunnlogi do sent have one .

Other than that it's great for my e war cal scout as i can be a good target drop for my squad leaders ob it's fun when you run strait into a group of reds and Un cloak just as the ob comes downright on your head (not advisable for pc or fw ).

Probably unnoticed, but almost all my kills are made from a place that you could put a 2 sec declack animation and it wouldn't matter. I also will declack from a bit of a distance to catch up faster and grab a quick hit then back into the clack. You could make just about any change to the animation and I wouldn't notice it.

Again, easiest solution to clack is situational awareness.

So your vote is for the 2 second delay since it wouldn't matter. There seems to be a lot of cloakers saying they could do what they are doing without the cloak, so there should be no resistance to the changes proposed.