DUST Search - [Poll] General Consensus about Cloaks

Brokerib wrote:

We're just coming up on 8 days of the cloak being released. Give the meta a chance to catch up.

On a couple of other points.

I like the idea of the flux clearing the cloak, but it should not wipe out shields as well. Cloaks would need to be assigned a HP value that relates to their stamina, otherwise cloaked units will be naked and defenceless, unless they armor tank, which further marginalises Minmatar and Caldari scouts.

Cloak delay before firing won't make a difference. The cloak is being used for position, so they're not shooting from in front of you unless they're terrible, or you're terrible. An additional half second to a second delay won't stop someone shooting you in the back with a shotgun. Additional delay, instead, harms the ability for cloaked units to be able to respond when caught out, which is exactly opposite to the scenerio being talked about.

The pervasiveness of cloaks is not an indication of OPness. It's an indication of CCP introducing a completely new mechanism for the first time in months, combined with a respec that allows people to try it out. Give it another fortnight and you'll see a reduction in scouts/cloaks.

Brick-tanking is and has been an issue well before deployment of the cloak, and shouldn't be used as a measure. Does it need to be fixed? Yes. Is it exacerbating other issues? Yes. Should balance be made on the basis of a mechanic that is purvasive across all suits? No.

In a similar vein, Assaults are lacklustre currently and shouldn't be looked at as the measure for balance. Assaults need to be fixed, not other things broken to align with them. Scouts vs heavies is a better indicator of balance, and I think they're in a fairly reasonable place currently.

And finally, the pre-release cloak QQ is the reason we have the implementation we do. If the original system had been in place, units firing from cloak would have drained the cloak. So combined with the 50% requirement to re-cloak, it would have meant units would be unable to instantly disapear after an alpha strike. QQ has gotten us to where we are, so be consdierate in requests for change, the results may not be what you expect.

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Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 264	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:13:00 - [1] - Quote Brokerib wrote: We're just coming up on 8 days of the cloak being released. Give the meta a chance to catch up. On a couple of other points. I like the idea of the flux clearing the cloak, but it should not wipe out shields as well. Cloaks would need to be assigned a HP value that relates to their stamina, otherwise cloaked units will be naked and defenceless, unless they armor tank, which further marginalises Minmatar and Caldari scouts. Cloak delay before firing won't make a difference. The cloak is being used for position, so they're not shooting from in front of you unless they're terrible, or you're terrible. An additional half second to a second delay won't stop someone shooting you in the back with a shotgun. Additional delay, instead, harms the ability for cloaked units to be able to respond when caught out, which is exactly opposite to the scenerio being talked about. The pervasiveness of cloaks is not an indication of OPness. It's an indication of CCP introducing a completely new mechanism for the first time in months, combined with a respec that allows people to try it out. Give it another fortnight and you'll see a reduction in scouts/cloaks. Brick-tanking is and has been an issue well before deployment of the cloak, and shouldn't be used as a measure. Does it need to be fixed? Yes. Is it exacerbating other issues? Yes. Should balance be made on the basis of a mechanic that is purvasive across all suits? No. In a similar vein, Assaults are lacklustre currently and shouldn't be looked at as the measure for balance. Assaults need to be fixed, not other things broken to align with them. Scouts vs heavies is a better indicator of balance, and I think they're in a fairly reasonable place currently. And finally, the pre-release cloak QQ is the reason we have the implementation we do. If the original system had been in place, units firing from cloak would have drained the cloak. So combined with the 50% requirement to re-cloak, it would have meant units would be unable to instantly disapear after an alpha strike. QQ has gotten us to where we are, so be consdierate in requests for change, the results may not be what you expect. o7 ^ This Adjusting to the new meta of tankiness vs. shields is taking some getting used to. I wonder if we're all just not adjusted to it yet? But then again, that adjustment would call for many to sacrifice a slot for survivability so they can have enough time to react. Why don't we have this poll again after CCP declares the cloaks are working "as intended" with more of the exploitable glitches ironed out? The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.