It does to some extent, especially with 1.8 changes. For example, the ability to carry a Mag Sec with a ScR gives the assault more flexibility to deal with both shield and armored tanked opponents. How does 1 extra slot make that big a difference in versatility?

Anyway, if I have this right you want to keep current speed advantage, starting HP advantage, take one slot off of the logi, and give it to the assault and call it balance? LOL sorry, but no.

What I cannot fathom about these forums is, if you think the logi is a more versatile suit, and that's what you want in a suit why not skill into logi suits? No one is stopping you. It wouldn't have anything to do with wanting to make one's particular load out choice OP would it.

Assaults already are as described jack of all trades suits. Medium starting HP, medium speed, medium slot numbers, medium everything. They are the do just about everything adequately role of the battlefield and thus I think working as intended. I think it would be cool if they could carry a 2nd grenade type but otherwise think they are just fine. And BTW I am skilled to level 5 in Minmatar assault, one of the tougher assault suits to play.

Read the first line of my post, as you seemed to not have read it. I point out that med suits slots need to be reworked. I also posted why, and how this would create balance. I am a logi and am saying that us logis should lose slots to equal the assaults. This in it self implies that I see the issue of the imbalance as it currently stands and I have proposed a well thought out solution. Pleases make sure you comprehend someones post before commenting on it.

Nothing new to add, just recombining other peoples posts into a blob of fantasy stats that tickle my fancy:

*Both medium suits have equal hp, speed, and total slot count (weapons/grenades included).
*Assault focuses on pure combat roles: More modules, more weapon slots, etc.
*Logistics focuses on combat support: Less modules/weapons, more equipment slots.

at basic level:

Gal assault: H 1, L 2, LW, SA, G, E 1.
Gal Logistics: H 0, L2, LW, G, E 3.

If i'm not mistaken that's exactly the way it is now, except for the speed/armour being equal, it just doesn't follow through as you ascend the tiers: Gal logi increases its module slots by 3, and assault does the same by 2 at advanced?

You said that if Logi's and Assaults had equal slot layouts, that the Assault would outshine the Logi. You said that if 1 slot were taken away from the Logi that it would be combat ineffective. These two statements imply that both suits are currently balanced with one another, hence, my comment.

I can see how my first comment might have misled you. My first post assumes the reader is tracking the OP, and I was talking in response to having one less slot than the assault. I once again want to apologize for not being clear enough.

However, your first comment response to me was on the point about the current build, not taking in to acount I was talking about a fix for post 1.8.

Your second response does nothing but point out I had some bad wording,and over all is nothing more than you being a troll. This is apparent by your lack of contributing to the debate, and lack of forming any rebutal. There for, any further response on your part will be ignored.

It seems that to CCP a side arm is worth at least 2 slots. Compare Amarr logi to all other logi. All the other logos get 2 more slots of some type than Amarr. So in a sense assault suits are getting a bonus slot already

With tha freshly smoked up dropsuit stats busted up fo' 1.8, playas is worryin mo' than eva dat tha Assault suit is ghon be heavily overshadowed by other suits, n' you can put dat on yo' toast. We all aware of tha current problem wit Slayer Logis, n' while I be still pimped outly buckwild fo' it, 1.8 don't straight-up seem ta be solvin dis problem. Well shiiiit, it feels like tha Assault suit aint straight-up had a thugged-out defined role ta fill fo' a while. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. So I gots ta thinking: what tha **** tha **** should tha designated role of Assault suits be?

For a phat startin place, letz check tha in-game description:

So, as has been holla'd time n' time again, it seems tha basic scam of tha Assault suit is ta truly be tha "jack of all trades, masta of none". Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. So it should be tha least niche suit; able ta big-ass up nuff different rolez effectively yo, but not straight-up excellin at any one. But I'd like ta take dis a step farther, specifically analyzin dis line:

This seems ta imply dat tha Assault suit be also phat at switchin locations quickly, as well as bein prepared fo' nuff different scenarios. From this, we could extrapolate dat Assault suits is meant ta be straight-up phat at dictatin when n' where they engagements happen, n' always bein able ta switch ta a mo' advantageous posizzle durin engagements, n' you can put dat on yo' toast. Given all this, I've come up wit dis as a mo' solid designated role: Da Adaptable Shock Trooper n' shiznit fo' realz. Able ta move swiftly both between locations n' they role on tha battlefield. Y'all KNOW dat ****, muthafucka! Da suit wit unmatched flexibility, also able ta git up in quick n' hit tha enemy hard n' fast when need-be.

So, now dat we've gots a idea, how tha **** do we chizzle tha current Assault suit ta fill dis role?

Step 1: Modules- In order ta truly be da most thugged-out flexible n' adaptable suit, I believe dat tha Assault suit need ta have da most thugged-out module slotz of any suit. If dis weren't legit before, I'd say it definitely is wit 1.8 on tha rise, n' all tha other suits findin specific niches ta fill. In order ta avoid raisin tha overall juice scale of tha game, I'd recommend lowerin all Logi suits' total slot count by 1, n' then raisin tha Assault suits ta have 1 mo' than Logis overall yo. Havin da most thugged-out modulez available means you can customize yo' suit fo' whatever specific scenario you want, or cook up some fuckin hodgepodge up in between specific specializations. This reinforces tha flexibilitizzle aspect of tha suitz role.

Step 2: Bonuses- So letz take a quick peep tha current 1.8 Assault suit bonuses:

Da overall scam of these bonuses seems ta be allowin tha Assault suit ta spend mo' time blasting, n' less time havin ta worry bout ammo conservation/heat build-up/reloading/etc. This would seem ta fit up in sickly wit tha shock trooper aspect of tha suit, allowin you ta keep on tha move n' keep hittin targets from different sides without havin ta stop ta worry bout yo' ammo thang. But **** dat shiznit yo, tha word on tha street is dat while I feel dat tha Minmatar n' Amarr bonuses bust dis like feel, I have some discrepancies wit tha other two.

Da Caldari bonus, while up in some sense reducin tha time dropped not firing, don't straight-up straight-up allow mo' continuous fire though, or allow you ta mo' effectively dictate where yo' fights is happening. I would prefer either a reduction ta tha charge-up time of railgun weaponry (Note: dis option also requires a increase of tha RR charge-up time ta at least 0.5 seconds, which I believe need ta happen anyway) or a increase ta tha effectizzle rangez of railgun weaponry (with a cold-ass lil correspondingly less steep falloff, at least ta tha effectizzle range). Either of these would allow tha Caldari Assault ta focus less on ammo conservation, as well as mo' betta controllin fights.

Da Gallente bonus aint ******. Well shiiiit, it should effectively allow you ta hit wit mo' of yo' shots, meanin dat you gonna gotta fire less overall. In some sense, dis would mean dat mo' continuous fire within one clip is possible. In addition, tha bonus affectin yo' hip-fire accuracy reinforces tha mobile shock trooper role, actively encouragin you ta fire from tha hip while stayin on tha move. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. So, yea like I holla'd, not ****** fo' realz. Although I be also not shizzle itz necessarily da bomb. If mah playas has a funky-ass mo' betta suggestion, please post it below.


Anyways, thatz dat ****. Gee...that ended up longer than I expected. Y'all KNOW dat ****, muthafucka! This type'a shiznit happens all tha time. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. So, whatz mah playas think?

Mordecai and Doshniel also make fair a point that I had not considered. Logi's are both slower and have fewer EHP than Assaults. This should really be adjusted, as speed and HP should be proportional. If the Logi's are meant to be slower then they need higher hp's to compensate. The reverse should go for Assaults as well. If that happens then maybe it could be justified that Logi's have fewer slots than Assaults. Until then, I retract all previuos statements to the contrary.

What if assault suits had access to jump packs like actual shock troopers.

Which uh, actual shock troopers are you referring to?

If we add midslots and open up highs to weapons it simplifies things a bit.
Max of 8 slots

You can have high slot mods or use the equipment, weapon, grenade hardpoints.
Shields go back to mid, speed mods move up to mids.

Caldari 4-7-3
Amarr 4-2-8
Min 4-5-5
Galente 4-3-7

The four highs can be used as you want but you get 1 main hard point, 1 sidearm, 1 grenade, 1 equipment.
Use a gun and 3 high mods, or use gun sidearm equipment and trade a grenade for a high slot mod. whatever you can think of.

Logis would have 5-7 highs, with 3-4 equipment hardpoints.
You don't have to run a gun even.

Amarr get their heavy armor focus, minmatar are versatile, gallente favor armor, caldari favor shields.
Everyones happy, just gotta fix the mod layouts, we can play with them as needed.
Now, we add resistances in lows obviously. Damage mods get they're racial designation and go low. one mod for laser damage, one for projectile, etc, etc. can go back to 10% at proto to help against damage resists. Scale to ccps tastes.

Also standard frames get two bonus. None of this no role specialization garbage.
Then assaults get two bonuses based on their medium skill, and two based on assault.
Weapons get rebalanced to account for more health and more robust bonuses.

to clarify on assault bonuses.

If I'm level 5 medium and level 3 assault.
I get 5% to A and B per medium level
I get 5% to C and 4% to D per assault
A+25%
B+25%
C+15%
D+12%

Standard medium suits would get they're own unique a and b but no c or d.
What those letters actually represent varies on a suit to suit basis and by race.

I don't mean to be rude, but that was far from simple.
I don't play Eve, for the record. And while I have nothing against borrowing aspects of Eve if they'll work well for Dust, I don't believe that just copy and pasting every mechanic is necessarily the way to go.

I will add this to the discussion:

- Assault needs 2 equipment slots.
- Assault suit needs something like a jetpack making them the fastest moving suit over long distances. One equipment slot will be used to fit the jetpack.
- Assault suit needs CPU and PG.

Dont think more slots will solve the problems we see today.

I don't mean to be rude, but that was far from simple.
I don't play Eve, for the record. And while I have nothing against borrowing aspects of Eve if they'll work well for Dust, I don't believe that just copy and pasting every mechanic is necessarily the way to go.

Was expecting a thread by assault class users about getting relevant bonuses.

I found a thread screaming "we're jealous of logis and we want their slots".

....I find the "we" part of that kinda funny.

Nothing constructive or useful then?

Says the person who refuses to acknowledge this thread relating to dropsuit changes.
It shows assaults are faster AND better tanked with GREATER regen ability (base stats),yet you still want to steal a slot from logis.
Protip:Check the 2nd post.

Says the person who refuses to acknowledge this thread relating to dropsuit changes.
It shows assaults are faster AND better tanked with GREATER regen ability (base stats),yet you still want to steal a slot from logis.
Protip:Check the 2nd post.

Speed doesn't mean anything.
The regen on assaults is nothing.
Caldari shields should rep passively and gallente should be able to achieve 40-50 armor reps.
Gallente can't even active tank. Amarr can't resist tank.

Logis are simply better assaults at the moment.
If speed mattered more than three people would run proto min assault.

Speed and regen will be relevant in 1.8 with the adjusted TTK. A fast suit will be able to break contact and get to cover to regen. This whole topic on balancing is off track, as all of the suggested ideas are assuming game play will be exactly the same after the next patch. -á

Damage mods at the old values combined with extra mod slots is why everyone went logi in the first place. At the start of 1.8, the extra mod slots is too much still, but the assaults new bonuses will help almost even it out. After which, we do need to make all the med suits equal in H/L slots. This allows the logi to still overcome the speed, regen, and tank differences the assault has, but will never be able to attain as much of either.-á

With one less H/L slots EVEN with buffs to the stats of the logi, and the logi will have no choices in how to build their suits. All mods slots would be devoted to tank only. This would still leave us with less ehp than what is achievable by assaults, less effective regen abilities, as well as being slow moving ducks waddling around, with not enough firepower to survive. This would make this suit a novelty for the rich isk/sp players only.-á

All med suits all the core should be the same. The only differences should be the logi gets more equipment and reduced speed to the extra weight, and differences in class bonuses. This means regen, HP, stamina and H/L need to be the same across the board. They should be the same suits, with just minor modifications that allow them to perform in there specialty effectively. Assaults bonuses to their weapon and ability to carry a sidearm makes the combat superior to killing the logi, even the amar with their sidearm. The logis slower speed makes them sitting ducks, but they can put out equipment to help their team effectively.-á

A high slot with shield extender is greater than a uplink. A low slot with an armor plate is greater than a rep tool. A sidearm is greater than nanoinjector. These are reasons why we cannot count total slots of a suit, and have to treat them as just part of the specialization bonus the suit gets. The only reason to have a different slot layout would be if the were their own tree and type of suit. As it is, to try out a logi, you have to spec into the basic med. This is basically an assault suit stripped of the role bonus. This implies these are the same suits, and should be built at the core the same. This would balance the two specializations out.