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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:00:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted) I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase. Right now an assault dropship has over a 7x increase in price compared to a basic dropship. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price. I wouldn't mind that especially if HAV finally got their specific racial skills like ADS do. HAVs are basic (the vehicle equivalent of a basic frame), while an ADS is a specialization (the vehicle equivalent of an assault or logi), so I don't think it would make sense until there are HAV specializations again (like enforcer or marauder).
Welp then I want to specialist HAV, comparatively then HAV would cost significantly more than ADS rending your point moot.
Comparing a basic Tank to a specialist ADS is pointless. Better to compare the Dropship to a tank since that's a more accurate comparison tier wise.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10373
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted) I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase. Right now an assault dropship has over a 7x increase in price compared to a basic dropship. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price. I wouldn't mind that especially if HAV finally got their specific racial skills like ADS do. HAVs are basic (the vehicle equivalent of a basic frame), while an ADS is a specialization (the vehicle equivalent of an assault or logi), so I don't think it would make sense until there are HAV specializations again (like enforcer or marauder). Welp then I want to specialist HAV, comparatively then HAV would cost significantly more than ADS rending your point moot. Comparing a basic Tank to a specialist ADS is pointless. Better to compare the Dropship to a tank since that's a more accurate comparison tier wise.
I don't think a specialist HAV should cost that much more than a regular HAV since the cons should balance out the pros. Its a sidegrade. A specialist HAV in my opinion should cost perhaps 20% more only than a basic tank.
Specialist dropship, or specialist HAV, you should still be able to make a profit.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10373
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:43:00 -
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Do it!
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
463
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Posted - 2014.04.10 04:31:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase, That's over a 7x increase in price. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. Agreed, especially with how easy they can be taken down, and with what is pretty much confirmation of a Swarm buff on the horizon.
+1 for your Sig, lol
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:15:00 -
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I can tell you one thing for sure. It is not friendly to beginning pilots that they should pay so much. The only way I can even fly is in transport, and for as long as I don't have a group that will take advantage of that I won't be contributing to my team at all. All I can do right now is float around looking pretty. It most certainly isn't easy to aim these things.
The best I can do now is simply annoy some blaster tank until he realizes I'm not even a minor threat. Practicing is costing me so much I hardly ever get to do so. I don't even put modules on my ship, and fit it only with turrets. When I finally get a bead on something, I get hit and have to retreat or i'll go down blazing, assuming I can even stabilize my ship before it crashes into something.
150k ISK would be a good price in my opinion, or otherwise make more variants of the ADS, so that a new pilot can pay for their practice without breaking the bank. Remember it's not just Pro pilots out there. There are of course those of us who want to learn but can't afford to. And in reply to the "Rail tanks are the only defense against them" thing, I have been shot down by a Rail tank ONCE, I can't even tell you how many times I've been killed by a swarm, a forge, or even a large blaster installation. The only way I've found to survive for even just a few seconds longer is to use shield hardeners, and shield boosters, again assuming that I don't get thrown sideways into an environmental hazard (otherwise known as any tangible thing on the map).
Though I can actually use the nose gun for the purpose that is described for it, dogfights. Not that it's common to even see another airborne unit in the first place.
I'll keep trying to learn it regardless of how many times I lose the 360k aircraft. (Python fitted with 3 MLT Missile turrets, 1 MLT shield booster, 1 MLT shield hardener, 1 MLT mobile CRU {i know someone will criticize me for it}, and one Enhanced PG upgrade.) Keep in mind that the cost of the vehicle without anything on it is about 323k ISK, and deploying without modules is just asking to be shot down. I want to applaud everyone who has mastered one of these amazing beasts of warfare, because it is not an easy task at all. |
Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
1080
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:54:00 -
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Finn it really isn't easy, I have lost hundreds of dropships to get to the level I am at now. If you want to squad with me or other excellent pilots join 1st airborne chat channel. The best pilots in the game hang out there and if they have the time will help you out! |
Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
2
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:26:00 -
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Yeah, I've pretty well found out that it isn't easy, I knew that going in. Thanks, I'll check it out. |
a brackers
Vanguardian Remnant
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:49:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Finn it really isn't easy, I have lost hundreds of dropships to get to the level I am at now. If you want to squad with me or other excellent pilots join 1st airborne chat channel. The best pilots in the game hang out there and if they have the time will help you out!
Awesome ive been looking for a pilot channel.
I also agree assault dropships are priced well above their worth. Looking through I noticed quite a few comments saying dropships have total dominance. All it takes is someone to bring out a 69k milita rail tank, and they have complete arial denial of the entire map with no risk to their tank. Also, most buildings provide better cover from the air than thry do from tanks, so if a dropship is killing u inside then they are a hell of a good shot. Added to this is the fact that the anti infantry gun is the rocket, so it takes up to 4 shots to kill a heavy. As long as you are spread out and work as a team you are fine.
Now, onto the av. I fit my ship purely for survivability and it is still impossible to survive more than 4 shots from a railgun installation. Added to the fact that the railgun fires 4 shots in 2.7 seconds (3x 0.9 s) I think, and reaction speed with a controller (eye to hand) is at best 0.43 seconds, most dropships can't get very far in the remaining 2.27 seconds. Added to the fact anyone using a adv or proto rail or damage mods will take 3 or 2 or may even take 1, railguns are redicously op compared to dropships as they are designed for av. Forges are ok as it is about 50 50 between my dropship and them when they are well fitted with a proto forge. Swarms definately need love though. I always sit there laughing as proto Swarms fly towards me and I pop a missile straight into the person who fired its head.
I have also listed my other suggestion in this forum :
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=127113&p=4
Proto dropship pilot
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a brackers
Vanguardian Remnant
11
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:50:00 -
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I lose 1 ship and I lose all profit for the next 3-4 matches
Proto dropship pilot
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Top Men.
328
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Posted - 2014.04.20 02:22:00 -
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Bump. Can we atleast try 200 or 250k hulls CCP?
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
393
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:27:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut.
EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price.
HAHA, Thats a good one, My Proto suits can cost more than this.
ROF PMSL
Nobody asked you to train into them, "If you can't stand the heat, BLAH BLAH BLAH".
The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE
Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
5
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:58:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
HAHA, Thats a good one, My Proto suits can cost more than this.
ROF PMSL
Nobody asked you to train into them, "If you can't stand the heat, BLAH BLAH BLAH".
May I remind you that there are no tiers of vehicles... No proto, no advanced, just basic. If I there were, and I had wanted a proto ADS, I'd pay for a proto. As it stands, we don't have that sort of choice. An ADS is certainly not a dropsuit. As well, may I ask if you are basing the price off of the suit itself, or are you also counting all of the weapons, modules, and equipment?
I also want to point out, that by your logic we really need to drastically up the prices on regular dropships, LAVs, and HAVs. |
wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:40:00 -
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Give tanks a serious price bump and lower the ads price or make an assault tank were the driver gets to shoot and basic tanks require a gunner. That would fix tank spam to an extent. and provide vehicle equality.
W.I.D.O.S. when in doubt orbital strike
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
5
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:46:00 -
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wiseguy12 wrote:Give tanks a serious price bump and lower the ads price or make an assault tank were the driver gets to shoot and basic tanks require a gunner. That would fix tank spam to an extent. and provide vehicle equality.
This makes sense to me, it's not a brilliant improvement, but it is an improvement. |
Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
1109
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Posted - 2014.04.21 01:08:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut.
EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price.
HAHA, Thats a good one, My Proto suits can cost more than this. ROF PMSL Nobody asked you to train into them, "If you can't stand the heat, BLAH BLAH BLAH".
He is talking about the price for the chassis, not the final cost of the dropship numbnuts. Mine costs 650k-ish right now, this would reduce it to 450k-ish when everything is fitted. |
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.21 03:55:00 -
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Bump
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
11044
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Posted - 2014.06.09 08:57:00 -
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Still insane
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The-Errorist
SVER True Blood
734
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:06:00 -
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a brackers wrote:I lose 1 ship and I lose all profit for the next 3-4 matches
In comparison, losing one tank only equates to losing profit for 1-2 matches. Current prices right now seem to have been made up by an ADS hater or someone who wants people to suffer.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9254
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:06:00 -
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I'll agree to a price drop for ADSs.
I firmly believe that if someone spent SP to get into their role, they should be able to use that role when they want to (to a reasonable extent of course).
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
I've run out of stuff to spec into :(
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3433
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:30:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut.
EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price.
HAHA, Thats a good one, My Proto suits can cost more than this. ROF PMSL Nobody asked you to train into them, "If you can't stand the heat, BLAH BLAH BLAH". He is talking about the price for the chassis, not the final cost of the dropship numbnuts. Mine costs 650k-ish right now, this would reduce it to 450k-ish when everything is fitted.
So I just read the whole thread, and I agree that Dropship price should be decreased, but I do wish you'd stop talking about your 650k Dropship as if that were a normal fitting.
I could just as easily say that I could build a 650k fitting (triple particle cannons), but it is absolutely not the typical fit, and is not something that balance should be built around. (The 500k single XT-1 fitting, now that one is absolutely relevant).
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
14413
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:34:00 -
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I like ADS price, personally, its tanks that are way too cheap, and MLT vehicles that may as well be free while being very viable
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