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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:58:00 -
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A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly.
Basic dropship 45k
Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted)
I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase, That's over a 7x increase in price.
An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty.
Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:07:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase, That's over a 7x increase in price. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. Well they never die though. They can be tanked pretty well and can hide behind the altitude ceiling, so in effect they have a built-in redline capability - to me that should cost money. Edit: and they are much harder for infantry to hide from than from tanks.
They aren't harder to kill than tanks, and are EXTREMELY vulnerable to railgun tanks; if they didn't die, ADS pilots wouldn't be so poor (I know 2 really good pilots who struggle financially as a result).
Being harder to hide from is easily cancelled out by the power difference of small turrets compared to large turrets.
Over 100 meter elevation they're still vulnerable to forge guns, and can't even see infantry (nor hit them).
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:57:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:straya fox wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:I think you guys are all seriously over-estimating the defensive stats of Assault Dropships, especially considering that they're going to be buffing Swarm Launchers in 1.8, and probably -finally- addressing the poor, neglected Plasma Cannon.
If they improve Swarms and make the Plasma Cannon into a viable AV weapon, that combined with the new buffs to Commando suits will likely result in a lot more AV being readily available, and Assault Dropships being far more vulnerable.
Now that doesn't concern me too much as long as I don't have to pay as much as I earn in a single match just to use the asset I invested so many skillpoints into. It costs 2 or 3 proto suits, sounds reasonable to me. They are powerful. And tanks cost less? Even after the damage mods and railguns are addressed? I think you guys need to realize that an ADS isn't the same no-barrier-to-entry vehicle that an HAV is. Yeah i understand that, but no one thinks tanks are in a good way at the moment ( except Spkr ). I am suggesting lets not break assault dropships as well.
I would never use anything higher than advanced suit to fight a vehicle, seems like asking to lose money, so balancing costs around proto seems wrong to me. A 50K advanced suit can get similar results, which is only 100k-150k for 2-3 deaths.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:46:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:straya fox wrote:@numnutz, so at 650k ISK a pop you must be putting some fairly decent gear on your dropship, that you use in pubs. Like say running a proto drop suit in pubs, infantry expect to lose ISK under those conditions and so should you. More than you can even earn in one match? Also, realize that running the vehicle without such gear guarantees that you'll lose it to AV. Complex Hardeners are almost a necessity, especially for a Python pilot. I hear you man, but if you want to run a drop ship with the equivalent power to a proto suit then expect to lose money, it's a pub match, 2 proto drop suit deaths puts you negative ISK. I mean seriously, sounds like you just want to use a proto dropship to stomp pubs and never die. You are starting to sound like a tanker.
Even just losing the hull without modules (completely weak and exposed against AV) can cost you more than you'll make in a battle. Why is that ok?
EDIT: read post #37 by Awry Barux.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:13:00 -
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Cmdr Wolfe wrote:when they first came out it was 1.2 mil isk for a proto assault dropship.. so stop your whinning
Prices going from extremely insane to just insane is still pretty ******* insane.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:04:00 -
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/me slashes prices with nova knives
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.23 09:17:00 -
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Still insane
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:18:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Tough, check my sig on reasons why. It costs me around 270k isk to Proto my Proto, sounds like the Assault DS needs to go up in price. 
Proto is not meant to be sustainable, you can use standard and advanced to save money easily. Assault dropships only have standard tier, there is no cheap option; even an assault dropship just bought with to modification costs more than an average skirmish payout.
Your argument is downright silly.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:26:00 -
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I'm still kinda sorta outraged
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:32:00 -
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Still cray cray
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted) I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase. Right now an assault dropship has over a 7x increase in price compared to a basic dropship. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price. I wouldn't mind that especially if HAV finally got their specific racial skills like ADS do.
HAVs are basic (the vehicle equivalent of a basic frame), while an ADS is a specialization (the vehicle equivalent of an assault or logi), so I don't think it would make sense until there are HAV specializations again (like enforcer or marauder).
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted) I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase. Right now an assault dropship has over a 7x increase in price compared to a basic dropship. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. EDIT: I think around 120k-150k would be an acceptable base price. I wouldn't mind that especially if HAV finally got their specific racial skills like ADS do. HAVs are basic (the vehicle equivalent of a basic frame), while an ADS is a specialization (the vehicle equivalent of an assault or logi), so I don't think it would make sense until there are HAV specializations again (like enforcer or marauder). Welp then I want to specialist HAV, comparatively then HAV would cost significantly more than ADS rending your point moot. Comparing a basic Tank to a specialist ADS is pointless. Better to compare the Dropship to a tank since that's a more accurate comparison tier wise.
I don't think a specialist HAV should cost that much more than a regular HAV since the cons should balance out the pros. Its a sidegrade. A specialist HAV in my opinion should cost perhaps 20% more only than a basic tank.
Specialist dropship, or specialist HAV, you should still be able to make a profit.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:43:00 -
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Do it!
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.06.09 08:57:00 -
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Still insane
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