Its true though. It was a LOT harder for std gear to kill proto before AA. The TTK was a ton higher, so the extra ehp or dps or reps from proto gear had a much bigger role. Not saying thats the only reason people want AA off. But when people refer to how "great" it was before... I cant help but think that may be a cause.

Speed tanking is negated with AA. Take it out and we'll see the return of Scouts that can actually survive if they are seen.

I use AA because it's there. I don't need it, my gun game is good enough without it. There was a really good FPS on PS2, Black. No AA AT ALL and it was the best game on PS2, with few exceptions. AA is not required in FPS's, it's just that COD fans got so used to it that they suck without it.

I play all sorts of games, adventure, action, action-adventure, RPG's and yes, even FPS's. AA was not in FPS's and were not a staple of them until COD introduced it. Take it out and this game will be what it was supposed to be.

And one last thing: To those who say that it makes it fair to the slightly lesser skilled players, CCP has stated "PvP is inherently unbalanced".

My scout suit can survive being seen
And no, I'm not tanking HP

Betthy...accoridng to your post...what FPS game ISNT "paint by numbers for shooters?"

All the popular, highly reviewed games have aim assist a lot stronger than dust.

And you are lying to yourself if you think AA removes the need for skill. Thats the argument that makes anti-AA people look like they want to blame AA for their loss instead of player skill. The player still needs to aim on you, the player still needs to react quicker. All AA does it slow down their aim as they pass over you and make it a bit sticky to make it easier to hold the aim once they have done so.

It does not aim for them. They have to aim first. So someone with a quicker draw and better ability to aim on a target will still win. The only skill being mitigated a bit is the ability to hold aim on a moving target. But in the wide range of skills needed for an FPS game, that isnt as game changing as youd like to suggest.

So you want EVEN MORE noobs to leave?

If you want dust to be a tiny little game that nobody plays, then cool, keep demanding that aim assist goes away . . . quit being idiots.

You are making stuff up now to sound correct. There wasn't one video or review or even mention that a player has made that said they aren't gonna play DUST because they can't "HIT" or Aim at anything.. that was one of the reasons people logged on everyday... to get "better" at aiming....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHWpFIAkvC0


That is why people stop playing DUST since Uprising launch it all comes down to the terrible NPE.


When someone isn't aiming well and knows it's them... The last thing they blame is "The lack of Aim Assist on this console game" That idea and concept is hilarious... They work on improving their aim and it adds to the game play.

I know proto is supposed to be better. Im just saying the gap was wider with AA off.

Ill also say, Luna you seem reasonable. Everyone but a select few obvious PC elitists are so. I respect that. I can even see how the old gameplay could be considered more fun. It was defnitely more unique. But for every console FPS player I showed dust to, it was a major turn off.

And i think folks (like a certain panther) VASTLY overstate the impact AA has on narrowing the skill gap. And have a fundemental misunderstanding of what AA does and does not do. And if you ever want dust to be more than a niche game, AA is needed.

the skill gap is so compressed, that itGÇÖs like a slot machine. You might as well just sit down at a slot machine and have a thing that pops up an says GÇ£I got a kill!GÇ¥ TheyGÇÖve taken individual skill out of the equation so much. So you see these guysGÇöI see it all the time, they come in to play Red Orchestra, and theyGÇÖre like GÇ£This gameGÇÖs just too hardcore. IGÇÖm awesome at Call of Duty, so thereGÇÖs something wrong with your game. Because IGÇÖm not successful at playing this game, so it must suck. IGÇÖm not the problem, itGÇÖs your game.GÇ¥ And sometimes as designers, it is our game. Sometimes we screw up, sometimes we design something thatGÇÖs not accesible enough, they canGÇÖt figure it out, we didnGÇÖt give them enough information to figure out where to go... but more often than not, itGÇÖs because Call of Duty compressed their skill gap so much that these guys never needed to get good at a shooter. They never needed to get good at their twitch skills

This might seem troll-y but if you want more flexibility in terms of fittings and a solution to the TTK issue, remove mouse and keyboard support, then remove aim assist, it's harsh but it will definitely work, things like speed tanking will actually become viable again.

I stopped playing when uprising lauched because aiming was crap

This ^

I still don't understand why CCP changed the aiming.. everyone was happy with it, except for few loud mouth trolls in the forums.

No, I want more skill involved. People don't leave because there isn't AA they do it because there's no hope in improving. Getting proto and tank stomped scares people away.

Terrible aiming mechanics will also scare people away
Dusts aiming is in a good place right now so I'd rather they didn't mess it up

Terrible aiming mechanics will also scare people away
Dusts aiming is in a good place right now so I'd rather they didn't mess it up

I also think not aiming directly on someone yet killing the target are good aiming mechanics.

this horrible band aid is what makes console FPS games popular. There isnt one popular console FPS game without it.AA

this horrible band aid is what makes console FPS games popular. There isnt one popular console FPS game without it.

I havent checked out the sales of KZ4, but its also the ONLY next gen FPS game. So I wager a lot of folks are trying ot specifically for that. Coming from dust, the aim in that game seemed fine though. So im shocked to find out it has no AA.

But it also has low TTK, so its not like you need to hit someone with 20-30 rounds to kill them like you do in dust.

This happened before AA as well. Its hard to know what is bullet magnetism and what is poor hit detection/lag. I agree, im not a fan of bullet magnetism as its too...random. When will my bullet hit, when wont it? Sticky aim is a pretty stable mechanic that isnt random.

I also think not aiming directly on someone yet killing the target are good aiming mechanics.

There isn't one because almost all of them do it.

Kill zone...

Soccom...

CS;Go no aim assist raw mouse and keyboard input.... "CS:GO has hit a new peak concurrent player mark with 67,049 players on at the same time according to SteamGraph. This number breaks the old record of 54,097 which was hit in mid-November"


Not bad for a FPS game without Aim assist eh? Even broke the server numbers with EVE and DUST running....


And that's on a game that you said is what 20 years old?

Kill zone...

Soccom...

CS;Go no aim assist raw mouse and keyboard input.... "CS:GO has hit a new peak concurrent player mark with 67,049 players on at the same time according to SteamGraph. This number breaks the old record of 54,097 which was hit in mid-November"


Not bad for a FPS game without Aim assist eh? Even broke the server numbers with EVE and DUST running....


And that's on a game that you said is what 20 years old?

I meant games that still provide service. Killzone is the only one I'm aware of.

CS:GO? lol people pay 15 bux for that and it has very high population numbers... With mouse and keyboard support and raw input on both the ps3 and 360...

And it isn't a title that sits advertising in the PSN store all day(Like DUST for 8 months)... Or ships a billion dollars in retail units like CoD Ghost(CCP would never be able to compete with this)Proof

A stand alone product based on it's merits as a FPS shooter. DUST had the same result's when it was without Aim assist... much higher server population density, much higher server populations...

I thought you said CS had AA when using a controller. I must of misread.

I also heard that the hit-detection was bad compared to CS:S. I only heard though, never played them.

I thought you said CS had AA when using a controller. I must of misread.

I also heard that the hit-detection was bad compared to CS:S. I only heard though, never played them.