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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:11:00 -
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If you need AA to aim, you must have no coordination on your thumbs. Just because every console FPS has it doesn't mean news one should have it too. MAG didn't have a real aim-assist and it was great. Dumbasses couldn't shoot for their life and skilled players actually did good.
In fact, if I had a PS4, I probably buy the new Killzone because of the lack of AA.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:13:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Tho I should have added it my post it should always be a option.
No! It should never be an option.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:42:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Tho I should have added it my post it should always be a option. No! It should never be an option. Here is the thing... there are players out there who know NOT what a Rig is except to say "a truck" so for them they need AA. I play both fps on my rig and console. And tho my preference is no aa, but as a great fps player I SEE NO CON in AA being in. If your a great fps player then AA is HELPING YOU OUT EVEN MORE. lol And as a stealth scout, AA is negated to begin with. Meaning as in your dead before you know what hit you.
Aim-assist is implemented into consoles narrows the gap between players. AA may make me better, but AA makes crappy players more better (shut up, it makes sense in my head). I may still be better at a game than dunmthumbs over there, but the gap is reduced to where my skill matters less.
Surt gods end wrote: You don't drum the PC FPS rules on consoles. I play my fps on consoles are the DS3. On my rig the kb/m. Going full nerd with Kb/m on a console is not me. feels weird man.
I won't. I happen to think PC shooters are also bullshit because they're point and click adventures where you character has an unreal reaction time (tapping "A" and "D" repetitively)
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:54:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Aim asisst isnt a hack. Again, this is ignorant PC players who know nothing about console gaming trying to make a point.
Look at Halo. That game is a sport. MLG pretty much became a thing BECAUSE of halo. It has a MASSIVE range of skill sets. Come play me in halo and see if you can even get a kill.
Hint, you wont.
But it has incredibly strong AA. More than DUST.
AA doesnt negate the ability to aim. What it does do is make it so when you DO aim, your aim sticks a bit to compensate for you OVER adjusting your aim. It doesnt lock it on, it doesnt magically hover to the spot. you have to AIM first, it simply makes it a bit easier to mantain that aim and help you from over correcting due to the lack of fine input on a joystick.
A player with better aim will still destroy a player with none. What it avoids is the stupid stuff you saw in dust where two players who knew were facing each other could dance around each other for an entire clip without landing more than a few bullets.
AA does not completely negate speed or stealth. I will admit, it makes scouts a lot easier to kill once you know they are there. But if you get close enough, the stickyness of the aim assist wont matter at all. And speed is still incredibly useful for limitng the amount of time you are in the open and getting an enemies flank.
I was pretty decent at this game before AA, im pretty decent at it now. The difference is, I see less stupid fights where nobody can shoot each other. And more importantly, when I show this game to my friends they dont hate it.
HALO being a sport means nothing. CoD is a sport too you know and **** that game.
AA does negate the ability to aim because all I have to do is turn on the x-axis until I hit a red-dot and it doesn't matter anymore, it's time to mindlessly shoot.
And of course there's still skill, there's just less of it.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:56:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote: No. This game was terrible without AA. It was a joke. Youd have a guy like Aldin just throwing down a proto rep nano and dancing on it while an entire squad shot at him because his proto gear and reps were so high people couldnt out dps his reps. Aldin is good, but the fact he could do that had little to do with HIS skill and more to do with how ****** the controls were.
No, that shows that the nanohive is broken.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:25:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:If you need AA to shootersyou must have no coordination on your thumbs. Just because every console FPS has it doesn't mean news one should have it too. MAG didn't have a real aim-assist and it was great. Dumbasses couldn't shoot for their life and skilled players actually did good.
In fact, if I had a PS4, I probably buy the new Killzone because of the lack of AA. Hows mag doing these days?
As dead as a dead horse. I guess that's what happens to games that have a terrible ad campaign while being sandwiched between the releases of MW2 and BC2. Not to mention the false information reviewers gave and some poor decisions made in post-production by Zipper. None of which involved AA.
Not that SONY wanted to cut all existing relations with the now nonexistent Zipper. SOCOM4 and SOCOM Con were shutdown on the same day.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:34:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:If you need AA to aim, you must have no coordination on your thumbs. Just because every console FPS has it doesn't mean news one should have it too. MAG didn't have a real aim-assist and it was great. Dumbasses couldn't shoot for their life and skilled players actually did good.
In fact, if I had a PS4, I probably buy the new Killzone because of the lack of AA. So you want EVEN MORE noobs to leave?
No, I want more skill involved. People don't leave because there isn't AA they do it because there's no hope in improving. Getting proto and tank stomped scares people away.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:39:00 -
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Komodo Jones wrote: This might seem troll-y but if you want more flexibility in terms of fittings and a solution to the TTK issue, remove mouse and keyboard support, then remove aim assist, it's harsh but it will definitely work, things like speed tanking will actually become viable again.
Sure, less point and click adventuring and "A"/"D" tapping.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:54:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:.....I want more skill involved. People don't leave because there isn't AA they do it because there's no hope in improving. Getting proto and tank stomped scares people away. Terrible aiming mechanics will also scare people away Dusts aiming is in a good place right now so I'd rather they didn't mess it up
I also think not aiming directly on someone yet killing the target are good aiming mechanics.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:59:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:this horrible band aid is what makes console FPS games popular. There isnt one popular console FPS game without it.AA
There isn't one because almost all of them do it.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:03:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Quote:I also think not aiming directly on someone yet killing the target are good aiming mechanics. This happened before AA as well. Its hard to know what is bullet magnetism and what is poor hit detection/lag. I agree, im not a fan of bullet magnetism as its too...random. When will my bullet hit, when wont it? Sticky aim is a pretty stable mechanic that isnt random.
I sure as hell didn't notice it. I think you're mistaking that for random bullet spread (RBS).
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:18:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:this horrible band aid is what makes console FPS games popular. There isnt one popular console FPS game without it.AA There isn't one because almost all of them do it. Kill zone... Soccom... CS;Go no aim assist raw mouse and keyboard input.... "CS:GO has hit a new peak concurrent player mark with 67,049 players on at the same time according to SteamGraph. This number breaks the old record of 54,097 which was hit in mid-November" Not bad for a FPS game without Aim assist eh? Even broke the server numbers with EVE and DUST running.... And that's on a game that you said is what 20 years old?
I meant games that still provide service. Killzone is the only one I'm aware of.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:31:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: I meant games that still provide service. Killzone is the only one I'm aware of.
CS:GO? lol people pay 15 bux for that and it has very high population numbers... With mouse and keyboard support and raw input on both the ps3 and 360... And it isn't a title that sits advertising in the PSN store all day(Like DUST for 8 months)... Or ships a billion dollars in retail units like CoD Ghost(CCP would never be able to compete with this) ProofA stand alone product based on it's merits as a FPS shooter. DUST had the same result's when it was without Aim assist... much higher server population density, much higher server populations...
I thought you said CS had AA when using a controller. I must of misread.
I also heard that the hit-detection was bad compared to CS:S. I only heard though, never played them.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:08:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Bethhy wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: I meant games that still provide service. Killzone is the only one I'm aware of.
CS:GO? lol people pay 15 bux for that and it has very high population numbers... With mouse and keyboard support and raw input on both the ps3 and 360... And it isn't a title that sits advertising in the PSN store all day(Like DUST for 8 months)... Or ships a billion dollars in retail units like CoD Ghost(CCP would never be able to compete with this) ProofA stand alone product based on it's merits as a FPS shooter. DUST had the same result's when it was without Aim assist... much higher server population density, much higher server populations... I thought you said CS had AA when using a controller. I must of misread. I also heard that the hit-detection was bad compared to CS:S. I only heard though, never played them. Eww no one likes source... ahahahah. Is console as smooth as PC? nah ... but given the hardware changes in the last 6 years its not un expected there would be performance differences between the two. But the console versions really are amazing.. its competitive FPS gameplay at its best... and functional matchmaking working as it should... But it is Valve. Quote:"When bringing Counter-Strike to PS3 and Xbox, we wanted to make sure we weren't 'noobing' it, or dumbing it down. The game has an entry point for new players in its Casual Mode, but it's not ticking off the top players," he said.
He even said that during cross-platform play between PC and PS3, console players using a controller won't get any sort of auto-aim to compensate for the precision of a mouse and keyboard.
"We think that if you're really good with the controller, and you can match the fidelity of movement of the mouse and keyboard, then you'll hold your own. If not, well, you'll just be matched with people who play like you," Faliszek said, adding that PS3 players can also use a mouse and keyboard if they choose.
Remember they have raw input... ANd there are Gamepad users ontop of the leaderboards some consider the best player on the ps3 to be gamepad.
Interesting. You're the first person to say that "no one like Source." I've always gotten the opposite impression. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just different. Again, I never played either. The only Valve games I ever played were Portal 1&2.
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:31:00 -
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You flanked
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2014.02.08 07:31:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:I just love the guy saying I'm playing the wrong game when he's the one wanting to change it. Precious.
The game was changed in your favor and he wants it back.
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