This community needs to stop complaining about AA and stop including the removal of it as a serious discussion in balance issues.

This game was a trash FPS without Aim Assist. If Dust had launched with the gameplay we have right now, its reviews would have been a ton better. Every major console FPS, from Halo to BF to CoD has AA. Most of it a LOT stronger than Dust currently has.

This is an exgeration to say the least. Strafing is still incredibly key. If AA was as strong as you say, it would be useless to do so. But its not, its 100% vital still. So tell me, if strafing is still key, then wouldnt better aim negate better strafing still?

i currently speed "tank". i cant stand in front of guys and make them miss, but i can use the environment to keep them from having stable LOS and make them miss and get good flanks. The scouts of old were silly. You had folks like annie oakley running out in the open into a squad and just shotgunning everyone without dying. Thats dumb. That is a bad game that allows that.

Scouts should be ewar and flanking, not "dance in front of you".

i currently speed "tank". i cant stand in front of guys and make them miss, but i can use the environment to keep them from having stable LOS and make them miss and get good flanks. The scouts of old were silly. You had folks like annie oakley running out in the open into a squad and just shotgunning everyone without dying. Thats dumb. That is a bad game that allows that.

Im not saying lack of AA dust wasnt fun in its own tiny, niche way. But that game was dying, it was impossible to get most people to give it a chance because they couldnt hit people.
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If you're actually a skilled player, then you're still going to stomp an unskilled player using AA.

This is just DUST, where people want to shove their opponent so far into the dirt that it actually forces an uninstall and sets their ps3 on fire.

No on in this game wants a challenge.

Its true though. It was a LOT harder for std gear to kill proto before AA. The TTK was a ton higher, so the extra ehp or dps or reps from proto gear had a much bigger role. Not saying thats the only reason people want AA off. But when people refer to how "great" it was before... I cant help but think that may be a cause.

I know proto is supposed to be better. Im just saying the gap was wider with AA off.

Ill also say, Luna you seem reasonable. Everyone but a select few obvious PC elitists are so. I respect that. I can even see how the old gameplay could be considered more fun. It was defnitely more unique. But for every console FPS player I showed dust to, it was a major turn off.

And i think folks (like a certain panther) VASTLY overstate the impact AA has on narrowing the skill gap. And have a fundemental misunderstanding of what AA does and does not do. And if you ever want dust to be more than a niche game, AA is needed.

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This ^

I still don't understand why CCP changed the aiming.. everyone was happy with it, except for few loud mouth trolls in the forums.

Terrible aiming mechanics will also scare people away
Dusts aiming is in a good place right now so I'd rather they didn't mess it up

this horrible band aid is what makes console FPS games popular. There isnt one popular console FPS game without it.

I havent checked out the sales of KZ4, but its also the ONLY next gen FPS game. So I wager a lot of folks are trying ot specifically for that. Coming from dust, the aim in that game seemed fine though. So im shocked to find out it has no AA.

But it also has low TTK, so its not like you need to hit someone with 20-30 rounds to kill them like you do in dust.

There isn't one because almost all of them do it.

I meant games that still provide service. Killzone is the only one I'm aware of.

I thought you said CS had AA when using a controller. I must of misread.

I also heard that the hit-detection was bad compared to CS:S. I only heard though, never played them.

AA dosent change spread
Also bullet magnatism is most likely just lag. Shooting around corners is definetly lag

Lol what? What genre? Console FPS? Where all the top dogs have AA? Thanks for your silly elitist post, you are a delight.

Yes, even in beta people died around corners

It doesn't negate dodge. It may lessen the ability to do so but it's still very viable. Speed tanking was just silly in the past, as we already discussed in this thread. I play scout and speed tanking s at a solid place. You have to be smart, can't jut stand there in the open making 3 people miss but you can still win 1on1s against assaults and logis by making them miss

Not if the player is really good, but that's how it should be. I shouldn't be able to take a really good player head on as a scout. The fact you could do that before speaks to the ****** gameplay pre AA

Why don't YOU leave if you hate it so much
Aiming was GARBAGE in uprising before we got aim assist
Also, I have no problem evading bullets in my scout so no idea what your talking about there.

I just love the guy saying I'm playing the wrong game when he's the one wanting to change it. Precious.

Yes because the only reason it wasn't in
Was because it had a bug, not because the devs didn't want it. It was always in the menus just not functional. And I'm not entirely sure of the timeline of when it was and was not implemented since it was always in the menu.

And again, the idea that aim assist is so powerful it auto determine a winner has been disproven and shot down. So ever other skill leading to and during an engagement excep aiming is untouched and the aim itself still allows for the better player to win AA just makes it feel smoother and more rewarding since it feels like your DS3 is more responsive.

The basis of the anti AA argument is exaggeration and lies. If you won most 1on1 engagements before AA you'll probably do so after. You losing likely isn't due to AA. If it makes you feel better to think the only reason you die was cause the other guy had AA thenby all means keep deluding yourself.

Like I said I was fine before AA was fixed and ill be fine if it goes away. But I'd rather the game have enough players so we can have decent matchmaking so when I go 20-1 every time I join a half way decent squad I don't feel like king of the kiddy pool. When I was good at halo it felt like it actually mattered cause more then 4000 people were on playing. If you want to keep looking down on AA and making fun of popular games as though somehow you are better than most people that's cool. I want the CoD crowd, I want the Halo crowd. I want dust to grow and prosper so we can see it become the gane we all think it can be. But at the base of that is fps mechanics that appeal to console fps players.