(I'm not thanking these guys, they are still try-hard, cry-baby, pansy-ass tools who I don't respect even an ounce).

So, proto-chumps: show us your real skill you baby-faced, snot nosed, security blanket using limp daisies and bring us a real battle. But you'll get your **** handed to you. I know plenty of scouts that would easily tear you to ribbons using standard gear and militia weapons....

This

It's funny how he's complaining about PRO stomping, yet he's the problem. I remember him saying how he wasn't going to play Dust anymore because they were nerfing contact grenades into the ground.

Yet he's still here.

Yeah yeah heard it all before. The funny thing is that this mentality seems to be the leading one for such a large part of the comunity. We've done test after test running cheaper fits with merely any difference in results. Teamwork, gungame and fighting spirit wins the battles, gear is merely the top of the iceberg.

Actually I did another 10 game test 2 days ago. ( I do this from time to time, I play 10 games, solo in cheap fits and notice the scores to see how bad I'd play without team support and with cheap fits.) I ended up with more kills and a better KDR on average compared to my usual stats. Why? Well I played smart for once, no crazy stuff, and I didn't have 3 experienced dudes around me competing for the kills. I did it in a 35K isk enhanced suit with basic weapons. Best game was 40-4 and the worst was 13-5. I know I can play well without my fanzy gear, and no I still won't do it, protogear makes me able to play more recklessly and makes the game more fun cause a loss of 10 suits in a game sort of hurts.

So take that "you need your crutch" attitude and stuff it. Do you really think that the dudes fighting at the top end in PC has no real skills and are merely being carried by their gear and skills? STFU

Quote me that forum post and I'll send you 100 mill isk. Yes I will do it.

If not, please give me a formal appology for that statement.

I'm the problem? Playing with my friends with the gear I've unlocked, currently trying to reduce the stomping by going in with smaller groups and I'm the poblem?

IMO guys like you are the problem. Experienced, got the skills, got the gear, got the isk. But still I see you hanging back and snipe with your tank while your team looses the battle. You should be carrying your team to victory, not be concerned with your own KDR and hide. My OP is not about the scrubs thats just left the academy. Its about the intermidiate to experienced players that should know better, and fight better, not bloody start the game with a defeatist attitude because 3 of the 16 on the enemy teams happens to be from a competitive corp....

In fact, you are a prime example of the lack of fighting spirit I see in so many battles.... And you're not exactly straight out of the academy....

Quote me that forum post and I'll send you 100 mill isk. Yes I will do it.

If not, please give me a formal appology for that statement.

I'm the problem? Playing with my friends with the gear I've unlocked, currently trying to reduce the stomping by going in with smaller groups and I'm the poblem?

IMO guys like you are the problem. Experienced, got the skills, got the gear, got the isk. But still I see you hanging back and snipe with your tank while your team looses the battle. You should be carrying your team to victory, not be concerned with your own KDR and hide. My OP is not about the scrubs thats just left the academy. Its about the intermidiate to experienced players that should know better, and fight better, not bloody start the game with a defeatist attitude because 3 of the 16 on the enemy teams happens to be from a competitive corp....

In fact, you are a prime example of the lack of fighting spirit I see in so many battles.... And you're not exactly straight out of the academy....

Yeah well I don't agree. Its not like I never play solo and come up against stacked teams, but be assured, that game will most likely hurt my KDR and Wallet, a lot. You'd still see me trying to take that point alone and failing over and over, its quite fun really.

Anyways, in my OP I say that we were only 3 dudes. 3 Dudes vs teams with 6 man squads form the same corp and they start the battle with a defeatist attitude. Yes we're mostly good players in my corp, but we're no were near so good that a 3 man team can win a battle against another full squad of experienced players. So why the lack of even trying?

o7 King Babar
I like the idea of you guys only running 3 or 4 in pub squads
I can understand why guys play you with a 'defeatist' attitude
coming up against 6 Rainbow's can ruin anyones day ...

Games may improve for you guys if you stick to this system
for now you have to remember that the playerbase fears you..
You guys can all go 20+ kills with little deaths, and in dust
If there is proto on one side and not on the other, there is no fight
just a quick stomp as one side is usually too stacked

Good stuff though, the 3 man-squads do work and will have those 3 players
coordinating much better after a while

The player base fears them? lol i bet alot of people feel sorry for them. lol fear them lol

King my friend
There is players in your corp that has over one biljon isk.

Here is a sugestion for you

Lets have a full reset of isk and sp to level the play field.

I suggested a removal af isk if you loose a game I now understand that can never happen sence that will only let people that already are way ahaed get even more bling into there wallets while the new plate base is struggling.

If you realy want to do this game a fawor stop stomping , open your corp to them, help them out insted of stomping them throw the grownd as you al are notorious known 4

Best regards and with respect
A friend

If someone who's 'notorious for stomping' is coming out against it, doesn't thqt suggest that maybe there's a problem and that the person in question is, maybe, changing their attitude, trying to highlight something that's wrong and trying to help change it?

By your standard, no-one would get out of prison because 'They've done it before so they'll always do it.'

Maybe what it takes to curb stomping is for a former stomper to come up with the tactic against it. Of course what happens then is they try and share their solution and they get heckled by other players, so they think 'screw helping out' and go back to stomping, keeping their idea for whenever they need to use it to stop others from stomping them.


That said, you can't come out against stomping and keep doing it and expect anyone to take you seriously. Match deeds to words and people will take notice.

Come on, i've played against your team yesterday with my alt, don't try to lie, you were just proto stomping like you always do, one guy was playing with an almighty gar21 balac, then you come here on the forums and play the part of the offended.

Play without your team if you can, it's always EZ and boring when matchmaking put another full squad with you and squad.

By the way,

since I recently started to play eve (wanted to know what's going on with OBs etc.). I found out, that eve is basically a game that favors ganking over everything else.

What does that mean?

In EVE, you tend to make sure you have way higher firepower then the opponent, before you engage. If you haven't you just run away.

In that regard, dust has managed to do exactly that, one side is always superior to the other. So the odds of turning a battle in your favor, are minimal at best in an average pub stomp game. There is the rare balanced one which can be a lot of fun, but mainly its an unbalanced stomp.

Maybe that is what the devs want, but I doubt that the average console jockey likes that...


Whenever this game gets fully integrated into eve, it will be even worse. In PC the EVE side will dictate the outcome of matches. It won't be our pathetic kdr or anything, it will be economic values that dictate the outcome of battles.

Expect to be anihilated by obital strikes from Titans, that devastate a planet in a way that makes terraforming necessary afterwards. Good luck with gungame and Proto suits against that...

OP does nothing but pub stomp

OP then complains about pub stomps

OP is complaining at himself

lol

As I've said before, I'm so very tired of the constant stomping and can't really see any better way of upping the action than go in in small groups, mostly 2-4 dudes per squad. This way we can't be all over the battlefield, there will always be an unguarded point etc. This means that we most of the time have players on the field to fight and we don't have to stand on the redline. It also means we'll get some truly awsome fights when we're up against stacked teams. You know, FUN!

So yeserday this is what we do. We're 3 players and we mostly played dom. And a trend was starting to reveal itself. Many corps and groups of players were "stuck in our queue", meaning that they were in our games for 2 hours more or less. So when put on our team they bring out their ARs, LAVs and playing the point and trying to win, nothing new about that.

The next game, when facing us, they never even leave the redline. And here we're talking about 6 dudes from the same corp a corp thats been here since beta ffs, all bringing out their snipers to sort of spite us I believe. And yes I do indeed see the joy in that. Off course this leads to a very boring game for us and I would believe the other 10 dudes having their prime group of that battle not taking part. And this repeated itself more or less several times with various groups of players.

I remember back in the early days of MAG, my first competitive shooter. I had a scrub clan, with scrubby players, myself included. We were normally very happy if we could do a game and not go negative KDR wise. So back then also, our little group of rag tag scrubs and houswives were set up against Q-synced teams from the best corps in the game. And what did we do?

We faught them with nails and teeth. We played as tight as we could, pure combat updates/tactics on coms. In short: we did all that we could and tried to make our organization count towards beating players with way better gungame. Trying to get into 2 vs 1 scenarios. Trying to outflank and hit one spot with our 8 man squad etc. Naturally we mostly failed horribly. We got stomped over and over. Slowly but steadily our performance got better, we got respected and eventually became a factor in MAG. This was mostly the trend in MAG, most battles were filled with fierce competition, or at least thats what my rosie memories tell me....

This is far from the average situation in Dust. This goes for both the less skilled and the pro tryhards. I've been in group with and seen so many players with 5+ KDR leave battles or spawn back into the warbarge as soon as the fighting gets though. The scrubs hide out for different reasons than the tryhards, they're mstly interrested in saving that KDR, they can put up a fight but just can't be bothered. Both of these mentalitie doesn't go well with me.

Fighting agaist better players, do you really think that its benefitial for your learning curve to:
Stay at the redline sniping?
Stay at some high point, a house or rail or whatever, taking the occational pot shot? You know popping your head up and shoot somone in the back while he's engaged in ground fighting...
Same goes for the perifferee hero, sirkling the outskirts with a RR or Scr.
Same goes for the logibro suddenly calling in a tank and drives aimlessly around. And so on.

Why don't you people try to better yourself?
Why don't you form up, wait for each other and try to blitz the point from various angles?
Are you really content with having an evasive doctrine vs any good team you play? Really?

IMO the Dust community is the worst I have seen in terms of player skill and cheap "lets make the game boring" tactics. Way too few try to fight the odds and improve their gungame and tactics, its just safer and better to get defensive, even if the current battlfield dictates that you'll attack or lose the game.

Conclusion:

Isk payout and perhaps even skillpoints should be affected by winning or losing a battle. This difference should be large enough to matter. At least a 3 to 1 difference. Hopefully this will lead to a mental shift of the general community giving us back more intense and fun battles, and that is the most important improvement of Dust IMO.

OP does much more than merely protostomp. There is lots of CBs (well not right now), and I've definately played my share of FW, mostly Caldari and Amarr. And then there is the various theme nights too...

Op don't complain about pub stomps. I'm complaining about seasoned players like you, playing in a defensive manner not caring the slightest about winning or loosing, KDR seems to be more important. You were much more fun to play with or against in MAG, you used to care every game I played with you back then. You were an excellent platoon leader trying to fire up your side to stop those pesky SVER tryhards from taking our base.

Lets drop everything else for a moment. What hapened to you dude? You used to be one of the guys I looked up to and I wanted to be as good as you back then. In Dust you've mostly been one of those morons staying at the outskirts taking potshots with you tank. I want the old, giving his all for the underdogs, never backing away from a fight EnglishSnake that we all respected in MAG.

What happened to you dude? Is there any hope for seing the old you again?

You and your crew are notorious for stomping! GTFO.

Well I play around 5-15 dominations per night and I see a lot how the blueberries \ some corporate squads behave.. I do call it fear that there is no blue drop links and 60% are sniping... 3 minutes after the round has started. Not many names can do that. But this is my experience from EU time games in domination.

I am too drunk or stupid to try and take them out with inferior skills. I can wear the same suits but where is the fun in that. F*ck kdr lets play and have FUN

If someone who's 'notorious for stomping' is coming out against it, doesn't thqt suggest that maybe there's a problem and that the person in question is, maybe, changing their attitude, trying to highlight something that's wrong and trying to help change it?

By your standard, no-one would get out of prison because 'They've done it before so they'll always do it.'

Maybe what it takes to curb stomping is for a former stomper to come up with the tactic against it. Of course what happens then is they try and share their solution and they get heckled by other players, so they think 'screw helping out' and go back to stomping, keeping their idea for whenever they need to use it to stop others from stomping them.


That said, you can't come out against stomping and keep doing it and expect anyone to take you seriously. Match deeds to words and people will take notice.

Amen. I've seen RE and ML both come out about this. It's a good thing, but nothing goes by without complaint and even if they change things up they need to realize not everyone will notice or accept that they have changed. It is all a matter of attitude and what is considered acceptable, having these corps recognizing the problem and encouraging their players to be aware of it can only be good. It isn't that hard, play hard until you can see you the writing on the wall, I usually know in the first minute if one team is outmatched, then switch to make it more challenging for yourself.

It sucks that players have to work out a solution and can't just play their best, but that is the way it is.

King my friend
There is players in your corp that has over one biljon isk.

Here is a sugestion for you

Lets have a full reset of isk and sp to level the play field.

I suggested a removal af isk if you loose a game I now understand that can never happen sence that will only let people that already are way ahaed get even more bling into there wallets while the new plate base is struggling.

If you realy want to do this game a fawor stop stomping , open your corp to them, help them out insted of stomping them throw the grownd as you al are notorious known 4

Best regards and with respect
A friend