Because of his first line on this thread....

"As I've said before, I'm so very tired of the constant stomping and can't really see any better way of upping the action"

Pot calling the kettle black me thinks.

King my friend
There is players in your corp that has over one biljon isk.

Here is a sugestion for you

Lets have a full reset of isk and sp to level the play field.

I suggested a removal af isk if you loose a game I now understand that can never happen sence that will only let people that already are way ahaed get even more bling into there wallets while the new plate base is struggling.

If you realy want to do this game a fawor stop stomping , open your corp to them, help them out insted of stomping them throw the grownd as you al are notorious known 4

Best regards and with respect
A friend

Ok so you want help stop protostomping by making Protostomping more profitable, what a brilliant idea I wonder why no-one thought of that before.
The win loss ratio is fine already. Instead improve payout per warpoint.

So doing something no matter how futile rewards you.

Yeah...no. If it's a fair fight ill lose all the suits I need to to win, no question. When I'm carrying a team of randoms (and I ain't that good), I used to try to win, but losing 16 suits in a wholly futile effort is not fun for me, I don't have your billions of ill-gotten PC ISK, I can't afford to run proto (at all, much less 24/7), so that's not gonna happen. I could care less about my KDR but I'm not going broke in order to help the elite stomping corps have more fun at my expense.

How about you spread the wealth around and give the little guys a chance to enter PC or not get farmed in pubs all day long before you get on your damn high horse and lecture the rest of us on our poor attitude.

If winning gains 3x as much as losing the rich will keep getting richer and the economy will get more and more broken and player retention will be even worse than it is now.
You take away rewards for a loss and you destroy this game. Period.

King, I think what you're getting at here -and correct me if I'm wrong, but I did read all of that wal of text ;) - is "why don't scrubs use tactics and slowly scrub up to something better?"

And the answer, roughly speaking, is gear, skill points and mechanics. Especially from equipment. Especially from scanners. I play a lot of solo, in a slow suit that's **** at frontline assault. I will flank entire groups and drop uplinks, assault point, provide covering fire. And all of it is often for naught if I come up your kind of corp, or Dunas, etc etc.

Active scanners essentially killed tactics. Ambush? No. Flank? No. Stack the odds in your favour? They know. So no. Fit dampeners to get under them? Great, you just sacrificed hp to do that, hope you can melt that proto suits massive hp buffer with your advanced weapon before they turn around and melt you en masse!

It just feels very futile these days. Case in point; I came up against one of your guys a few nights ago, he was trying to redline my team in a dom and we had one spawn point out of the redline that I was defending furiously because Christ, I hate being redlined. He had full proto fit, including that bastard proto rr. I would be scanned, found, killed. Spawn. Rinse, repeat. I had no counter, except to run. Hated it. Multiple blues would assail him. He would take them. He was, in fairness,very good. But the difference in effectiveness that gear and skill points provide is exponential, not incremental, when compared to what a guy who can only fit standard can bring to the field. Non vets are just outclassed in every respect. Sometimes, it's just less stress to redline snipe. I wish this wasn't the case.

Tiercide for all things, damage reduction to weapons to tighten up TTK and some core mechanics need a solid kick up the arse. That's what we need to make people feel like they've always got a chance.

Fair enough, some of what I said admittedly is a little generalized and may not specifically apply to you, but I stand by my base argument that you are blaming the wrong people. The one group you should not implicate in one sided battles are the stompees.

(I'm not thanking these guys, they are still try-hard, cry-baby, pansy-ass tools who I don't respect even an ounce).

So, proto-chumps: show us your real skill you baby-faced, snot nosed, security blanket using limp daisies and bring us a real battle. But you'll get your **** handed to you. I know plenty of scouts that would easily tear you to ribbons using standard gear and militia weapons....

This

It's funny how he's complaining about PRO stomping, yet he's the problem. I remember him saying how he wasn't going to play Dust anymore because they were nerfing contact grenades into the ground.

Yet he's still here.

Come on, i've played against your team yesterday with my alt, don't try to lie, you were just proto stomping like you always do, one guy was playing with an almighty gar21 balac, then you come here on the forums and play the part of the offended.

Play without your team if you can, it's always EZ and boring when matchmaking put another full squad with you and squad.

OP does nothing but pub stomp

OP then complains about pub stomps

OP is complaining at himself

lol

I agree with your OP KingBabar.

I think CCP has made two errors with the way they dispense match rewards.

Error number one is merely fundamental: ISK payouts. Simply put, there should be an ISK reward for the win, and it should be big enough to matter to peeps.

Error number two, however, is flat-out poisonous: Passive time-based in-match sp rewards. This mechanic sends a message to every single player that the game does not walk the New Eden talk. After a few matches, whether they understand the sp mechanics or not, players realize that their effort or lack of it does not really matter very much in terms of skillpoints paid out for a match. It's a particularly crushing realization for new players, and i believe it sucks the romance right out of the space opera.

That realization, when it comes, destroys any credibility DUST might have in the mind of a player. It's a message that speaks to the core of the gaming experience and what it tells peeps is that CCP does not respect them as hard-ass immortal mercenary soldiers, but rather sees players as rather delicate creatures that need to be taken care of and have their egos stroked by the game mechanics because they can't handle New Eden as it is.

Some peeps are able to recognize, analyze and dissect these sp payout mechanics almost immediately, some peeps only sense the problem intuitively and 'smell' that the situation is somehow distasteful, but i contend that it deeply effects every single player and sets the 'moral tone' for mercenary soldiers in New Eden. Hence my use of the word 'poisonous'.

Somebody at CCP thinks that these things don't matter or that peeps don't notice, i say that in the long run it is a primary limiting factor on the quality of the merc experience, the size of the playerbase and bears directly on the survival of DUST in the New Eden universe.

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What can be done? First and foremost somebody at CCP needs to champion the players and realize that peeps are up to the challenge of living and dying and earning a buck in New Eden. And also to do something about the nanny-state interventions that CCP is perpetrating on the players.

Once the will is there it's not hard at all to improve the situation. There are so many solid suggestions on these forums, all of which have been read and discussed by CCP on multiple occasions.

My personal choice for things done right would be to remove the sp dole and replace it with differential WP rewards - noob taking down 40 million sp vet running full proto should be damn well rewarded for it, that same vet should get fractional payouts for harvesting that same noob. But what we should all be rewarded handsomely for is the win.

For the record, this entire thread is disgusting. I always knew the protobears were a little bit autistic, but this is so, so far beyond what I imagined. He's literally complaining about winning.

He pretends his protostomping isn't even part of the problem (hint hint: it is, dumbass), and then he has the balls to complain about how players resort to the only effective tactic for low SP, non-ringing non-PC Corp characters against his kind.

He thinks it's a mentality problem, and he's right. The protobear mentality is killing this game, and if only it was killing you monstrous bastardi.

He claims that his "experiments" where he was just as successful in non-proto gear as in protogear justify his abuse of high-level gear. He's so far off the mark that I don't believe he's even capable of understanding why he's wrong.

And then all these other bittervets come in agreeing with him, going as far to say that they should get more ISK for protostomping and the losers should get less for not being capable of countering.

You assholes are killing the game. Just stop, for ****'s sake. Stop.

Yeah, gotta love the protostomper saying everyone else isn't trying hard enough.

Sorry that YOU'RE killing noobs in militia gear by Q-syncing and stacking 6-16 people in YOUR favor to win. Then saying that those randoms aren't trying hard enough when you're using the best versions of the most OP gear in the game.

Here's an idea: que solo and only use your freebie fit from your noob days. doing well? great. now fight 12 protostompers, basically alone because your team has suddenly all decided to take up sniping. in your militia suit.

then again, unless CCP gets off their "we need at least a week an a half a month of off time" ass and does something to even remotely balance this game, in about 6 months, it'll be nothing but a circlejerk of you protostomping ****s. and you'll finally have your "balanced" fights since you won't have any noobs left to stomp. then the servers will be shut down because only about 40 odd people are playing the game anymore.

How's about you actually come up with more than boiler plate insults? I prefer to be insulted on a personal level. I know you guys have no individuality with your gun or suit choices, but people really take better to being insulted or argued with based on what was said, rather than a double posted boilerplate response.

So again, you want to protostomp harder, add more disincentives for noobs, and basically kill the game in favor of feeling big by killing crappy suits.

1. this is what happens with protostomps. You protostomp, ergo you do this. not really a faulty assumption on my part as it is part and parcel of any "good"(they're not actually good in a lot of cases) protostomper's repertoire.

2. good for you, now do this when you consider 1mil+ to be good cash on hand and assault rifle 3 is your highest skill. instead of with 200 million to lose and pc built SP.

3. Protostompers use only the most OP combinations of suits and gear. You protostomp, ergo you use the current "best" (proto gal-logi or heavy. with the RR as your gun) again not a faulty assumption as all the "good" protostomper's do it as the baseline.

4. you think any of these randoms has a mic? or even has voice chat on(it's off by default, remember?) or in the team channel? I couldn't coordinate them if I tried. I can only hope to inspire one of them to follow me into the meat grinder and maybe kill one of those proto suits that these guys can afford to lose hundreds of thousands of fits for.

Sorry that I didn't account for your sub-optimal stomping.

Oh by the way, you guys still want a challenge?

Try playing with KB/M for a while. That will give you the challenge you desire. Laugh manically as you struggle to train the cross-hairs on your enemy, as your bullets disperse when you fire from the hip. Watch as your enemy uses Aim Assist and his bullets magnetise to your face, hit you around corners and through walls.

Yes, play with KB/M and receive your challenge.

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By the way King, I can see why you would think certain things are broken. The problem is people can make the same kind of isk going totally AFK in a match as they would putting in an average performance and lose suits. That needs to be fixed.

KB/M controls need to be fixed before us guys can be competitive in close range fire fights.

Also if there was a way to pick between Militia / standard battles and Proto / advanced battles - well you might just GET COMPETITION. Instead of being put up against casuals and chillers. You could get the chance to fight other small gangs and other 6 man proto squads.

By the way I was on my main the other day, we were playing a domination. I think some of your rainbow guys were on the other side in proto / advanced. We were using standard and advanced - and yes your guys did win the battles but if they recall that particular fight, it WAS a good battle. It was very close too.

So occasionally teams are somewhat matched. I also feel your frustration man but seriously - if you come up against noobs / casuals / NON tryhards then just ditch the proto and use some cheaper stuff.

There is a reason why KB/M was banned from BF3 FraggedNation on PS3.

KB/M when implemented "Correctly" gives so much more control, speed, and precision over a DS3 it's not even funny.

I like the fact in Dust right now that KB/M only gives you super strafing.

It could be a lot worse.

Also, Circle strafing is good, but figure 8 strafing is best