As soon as you get this through your thick, 180mm hull skull:

As long as it requires one person to operate a vehicle, it should take one person to destroy a vehicle. Otherwise, they will be spammed and become "I win" buttons.

Suck at DUST 514? Need a higher K/D? Want to be better than someone? Just grab a tank! :D

ok I don't see how 6 shots wouldn't kill a tank even with my hardner you with a proto forge gun prof lvl 4 and 2 dmg mods would kill me no matter what I did unless the person is using more than 1 harnder they should't live unless your shots are not back to back



Edit:ok I went and actually did some math the proto assualt forge gun does 1500 dmg adding your lvl 4 prof which is 12% should jump it up to 1680 or around 1680 in dmg then assuming your using complex dmg mods would be around 17% jumping it up to around 1900-2k now drop that down 40% it would be around 1100-1200x6 if you had gotten that many in and back to back would do around 7k dmg to my madd which is more than enough dmg so I REALLY DON"T SEE IT unless the tank was shield with 2-3 hardners I don't see it happening

That it they have many hardeners.. again making me useless xD

Hope so but still not really shoot them once they run and rep.. that also needs a fix or something

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Swarms were always for scrubs, so they can stay that way.

CCP wanted to make it so tanks could take a beating for a period of time then depending on the battle would restreat to repair or to let hardner cooldown it was mean't to make us strong for a small period of time or long depends on tank but also have weak periods which is why they should limit it to 1 hardner in my opinion because then it would be like that shields are for a strong brief moment of high resisitance while a armor tank has a less but longer lasting resistance this was what CCP wanted however people are using hardners to cycle to always have resistance or using more than 1 at a time while messing up what CCP had Intended once they fix this AV would be fine everyone is complaining that AV needs a buff when in all terms they only need to limit the hardners to 1 and everyone would take the damage CCP wanted from av which then would justify the av nerf they got and show why

don't pay him any mind he is the type of person who would most likely be happy if there wasn't any vehicles to begin with

I am, thanks. :D Does anyone meaning you Prower, play TF2?

Hopefully but at the same time people claim this game gives you the freedom to do what you want and CCP shouldn't be able to limit what you can do. (As I would love to see a limit to one damage mod per suit anything over is too much)

As much as I agree with Attorney on this one swarms still need a role.... light anti vehicle roles sound fine to me. Taking out LAV, possibly MAV, and dropships.

But yeah fire and forget weapons always need to have lower damage models than aimed AV weaponry.

I still find it funny how he says this, while implying that HAVs aren't for scrubs...

oh by all means yes however CCP should know it's really hard to balance a game while still giving the players the option to do whatever they want it's not easy to do

Jealous much?

Never should have said we could then things would be easier

That is a couple of different issues being manifest at once.

1. Map design is strange. Most maps allow for ridiculous spawn camping on certain sides. Pretty much the only map that doesn't allow it is Fracture Road.

2. With #1 in mind, letting the enemy team get their vehicles established is pretty much a loss. So it becomes important to either have an AT tank right at the start, or to have AV in your squad right out of the gate. These two options are criminally underrepresented at the start of 99% of the matches I see. Sure there might be a rail tank, but he goes racing out for turrets, and gets blown up for his greed, and then the enemy team has ZERO av assets on the field. 3 minutes later they are sewn up in their spawn because they had no plan for dealing with the INEVITABLE tanks and dropships that the enemy called in.

3. Dummies not using the right weapons. You do not shoot swarms at a hardened shield tank. It is not productive, and your best case scenario is to use it to draw them into a trap. I am frequently assaulted by swarms troops attacking my hardened gunloggi in an open field. If they expected to do anything other than die, that is their fault for being stupid, but also the games fault for not explaining how damage profiles work.

4. CCP loves to foster the stomp on them till they quit mentality. It drips throughout this whole game, and it has the exact playerbase it deserves. It is all about the stomp, so you either make yourself one of the horde, or you go solo and try to not get murdered too badly. That applies just as equally to infantry as to tanks, and that stupid HTFU starts to rise out of the mists.

Tanks are a fact of play, and if they are not easy to destroy, then you better have a plan to deal with them at the start of each match. When your squad sounds off their spawns, if you don't have a dedicated AV role, enjoy getting redlined. Might as well just grab a sniper rifle and get your tent setup, save yourself the run.

Rather it is your fault of not it still makes the game no longer fun. The problem is not with dummies. ...okay most are probably dummies. .... the real problem is with sp. For most of your early playing you are limited to swarm launchers. Forge guns are out of the question if you donGÇÖt use a heavy suit and even then the sp requirements keep people away from them. Other options are still problematic as people don't want to spend skill points on weapons they don't really want to play with. Making swarm launchers as a sidearm would go a long way.

I understand tactics but you have to remember most people playing this game Are not doing so with a squad or even a headset.

Regardless of who is right or wrong, saying develop a strategy is not going to be a viable solution. Point is that if people find a game unplayable they will stop playing. The reason it is not viable is because of real world implications (no mic, no squads, and the lack of fun being the one guy going after The tanks.)

I've said elsewhere that if I imposed a limit I would cap it at three tanks, but three tanks is where the problem starts. More ways to deal with a tank as a sidearm option may be the best solution and perhaps cutting the sp requirements for them.

I do not think needing two people for a tank or capping tanks is The way to solve this.

don't pay him any mind he is the type of person who would most likely be happy if there wasn't any vehicles to begin with

He's a tanker lol

That makes it worse

He basicly saying a SL is a worthless weapon because its a lock on which even real life we have missles and rockets that lock on

Its a normal and vaild weapon

No, I am saying that there needs to be some degree of equality between the skill required to do something and the power that that thing has.

I am not saying that the swarm should be useless, even though it currently kind of is. What I am saying is that there is no reason why the swarm should outperform the PLC as a medium frame AV weapon when the PLC is so much more difficult to use.

Plasma cannon Isnt an AV weapon, its an area denial weapon. used against vehicles cos it does a load of damage