You specced into a long rang fire and forget weapon that did massive damage. When you specced into it you were also invisible to the vehicles you were fighting beyond 75m, which is about half the distance that most engagements were occurring.

Of course now its worse. It went from massively OP(not just on its stats alone, but the failings of the game engine at that time) to UP.

At the same time, you wanted an easy mode piece of AV, and I think they should always be the weakest AV option, so the changes, although excessive are in the right direction.

Swarms should be for those who are incapable of actually aiming, and with such a low skill floor, they can't be high damage, long range as well.

Swarms need small amount of damage too and dont forget tank speed. I never saw rocket slower than tank, honestly its Bshate.

1x Ishukone Assault Forge
3 x Lai Dai Packed AV grenades

You can either set up in ambush, then shoot, throw the nades and kill with a final shot, or ambush by LAV, use the LAV to strip the shields off, administer grenades and kill with a single shot.

On shield tanks it is easier. Use an LAV to impact the vehicle, shoot once with forge and grenade to death. Alternately, you can wait until the hardeners are not on, administer two fluxes and one shot the armor off.

If you shoot swarms at a shield tank, you need a book to help you.

If you shoot swarms at a hardened shield tank, uninstall the game.

If you think you can swarm a tank from max range, and should be able to kill it without getting anywhere near it with a fire and forget launcher, you need to get good scrub.

Tanks are okay, use a Forge, sure, the Swarms dont do the damage that some people hope, but what do you expect from a weapon that doesn't require you to actually aim?

How about we remove the lock feature then?

I have my heavy alt, who rocks out infantry only, and eats alive any tank the enemy would dare to put on the field.

If you want to play AV and do well, you put SP into it. The current build is a month old, if you couldn't invest a quarter of your SP since that time into potent AV, then obviously tanks are not that big of a problem for you.

People who focus their SP get benefits. If someone devotes millions of SP to tanks, should they be able to be easily wiped off the map by some no SP starter fit wearing noob? Or should it take some investment, not even remotely equal to the total invested by the tanker mind you, but maybe 1 million SP to get really going? And if you really want to rock vehicles world, then you need to get into the 4 million SP club, which means proto grenades, prof 5 FG, and at least an advanced heavy frame.

You could suggest that tanks are too front loaded with skill bonuses, but those types of arguments seem to escape you. Instead you think that people want immortal tanks, which isn't accurate at all.

You seem to want an immortal tank. You fail to realise that the people saying av is bad are generally the people that have been using it for ages. And i don see why i have to skill into a different suit and a different weapon when i have a weapon that (in theory) should be able to kill a tank.

I think tanks are balanced the best they have ever been in the game. I am straight infantry but I appreciate the fact that tanks are used to counter tanks, instead of us just using our lai dais. (And swarms, remotes and forges still work)

The problem that I see is that tanks can overwhelm the opposition in pubs. Thats is a problem of CCP's making from matchmaking, allowing squad deploy, or proto gear in a pub match.

You simpleton, don't misrepresent my opinions.

I believe that the heavy suit should be the PRIMARY AV suit. That does not mean that medium frame AV options should not exist, but that they should be supplemental to the heavy suit.

Stop crying because you can't AV.

unless they using adv or proto of course he is gonna take the hits but like I said once that hardner is offline he will start taking hits if you read I said that once it is offline and he was being hit by adv or proto he would die and it be quick if it was more than 1 militia and std won't kill him so easy without it being a grouped effort with or without the hardner on

You also forget they getting started and i've seen plenty of infantry use their heads to find ways to kill tanks or even group up on them so from my view point the only ones struggling with av are those who either not trying or are not using their heads