You specced into a long rang fire and forget weapon that did massive damage. When you specced into it you were also invisible to the vehicles you were fighting beyond 75m, which is about half the distance that most engagements were occurring.

Of course now its worse. It went from massively OP(not just on its stats alone, but the failings of the game engine at that time) to UP.

At the same time, you wanted an easy mode piece of AV, and I think they should always be the weakest AV option, so the changes, although excessive are in the right direction.

Swarms should be for those who are incapable of actually aiming, and with such a low skill floor, they can't be high damage, long range as well.

maybe not however if you was using adv or proto av with say some dmg mods and prof. skill lvled some you would be killing tanks on your own thus asking for a buff to AV which is what you are asking by saying bring them back to former glory is basicly asking for the instawin button cause then I can grab my proto swarm with 3 complex mods and prof skill lvl 3 and empty my clip which is 3 shots and I can bet you it would kill him if he only had 1 hardner if they were back to their former self actually last build I was doing that

ok I don't see how 6 shots wouldn't kill a tank even with my hardner you with a proto forge gun prof lvl 4 and 2 dmg mods would kill me no matter what I did unless the person is using more than 1 harnder they should't live unless your shots are not back to back



Edit:ok I went and actually did some math the proto assualt forge gun does 1500 dmg adding your lvl 4 prof which is 12% should jump it up to 1680 or around 1680 in dmg then assuming your using complex dmg mods would be around 17% jumping it up to around 1900-2k now drop that down 40% it would be around 1100-1200x6 if you had gotten that many in and back to back would do around 7k dmg to my madd which is more than enough dmg so I REALLY DON"T SEE IT unless the tank was shield with 2-3 hardners I don't see it happening

CCP wanted to make it so tanks could take a beating for a period of time then depending on the battle would restreat to repair or to let hardner cooldown it was mean't to make us strong for a small period of time or long depends on tank but also have weak periods which is why they should limit it to 1 hardner in my opinion because then it would be like that shields are for a strong brief moment of high resisitance while a armor tank has a less but longer lasting resistance this was what CCP wanted however people are using hardners to cycle to always have resistance or using more than 1 at a time while messing up what CCP had Intended once they fix this AV would be fine everyone is complaining that AV needs a buff when in all terms they only need to limit the hardners to 1 and everyone would take the damage CCP wanted from av which then would justify the av nerf they got and show why

oh by all means yes however CCP should know it's really hard to balance a game while still giving the players the option to do whatever they want it's not easy to do

don't pay him any mind he is the type of person who would most likely be happy if there wasn't any vehicles to begin with

That makes it worse