maybe not however if you was using adv or proto av with say some dmg mods and prof. skill lvled some you would be killing tanks on your own thus asking for a buff to AV which is what you are asking by saying bring them back to former glory is basicly asking for the instawin button cause then I can grab my proto swarm with 3 complex mods and prof skill lvl 3 and empty my clip which is 3 shots and I can bet you it would kill him if he only had 1 hardner if they were back to their former self actually last build I was doing that

If you need AV to be buffed your both stupid and a noob who wants the I win button AV as it stand is perfectly fine and to test and prove to even myself of this I jumped on my infantry character namely this one and tested the True av setup I am using a amarr avd logi suit 3 complex dmg mods with the proto swarm launcher with prof skill at lvl 3 meaning more dmg and I went into battle with this which was my normal av setup anyway and I took out a pyton with 2 hits and he saw me before I fired so he had his hardner on and it took 2 shots then I found gunnlogi's and sica's and begun attacking them one of them it took 3 shots and other 3 hell I found 1 where the driver would get out to kill me which he did I got his tank the 2nd time with 2 shots and 2 std av nades so basicly my point is if you can't take out a std or even a militia tank with av then you need to learn how to stop whinning and figure out why because I can tell you that you are not doing it right

And some advise don't think your gonna solo a tank that easy with std or militia av avd MAYBE but it's possible with proto if you know what your doing and if you double teaming with avd and/or proto it is very easy to kill a tank if you buff AV you will simply destory the whole point of the vehicle overhaul that we got and thus put it back to how it was in 1.6 where tanks could be solo'd like nothing and of course unbalanced

I'm gonna explode. OK, Atiim, YES. IT. SHOULD. Get your head out your Wyrikomi.

ok I don't see how 6 shots wouldn't kill a tank even with my hardner you with a proto forge gun prof lvl 4 and 2 dmg mods would kill me no matter what I did unless the person is using more than 1 harnder they should't live unless your shots are not back to back



Edit:ok I went and actually did some math the proto assualt forge gun does 1500 dmg adding your lvl 4 prof which is 12% should jump it up to 1680 or around 1680 in dmg then assuming your using complex dmg mods would be around 17% jumping it up to around 1900-2k now drop that down 40% it would be around 1100-1200x6 if you had gotten that many in and back to back would do around 7k dmg to my madd which is more than enough dmg so I REALLY DON"T SEE IT unless the tank was shield with 2-3 hardners I don't see it happening

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Swarms were always for scrubs, so they can stay that way.

CCP wanted to make it so tanks could take a beating for a period of time then depending on the battle would restreat to repair or to let hardner cooldown it was mean't to make us strong for a small period of time or long depends on tank but also have weak periods which is why they should limit it to 1 hardner in my opinion because then it would be like that shields are for a strong brief moment of high resisitance while a armor tank has a less but longer lasting resistance this was what CCP wanted however people are using hardners to cycle to always have resistance or using more than 1 at a time while messing up what CCP had Intended once they fix this AV would be fine everyone is complaining that AV needs a buff when in all terms they only need to limit the hardners to 1 and everyone would take the damage CCP wanted from av which then would justify the av nerf they got and show why

don't pay him any mind he is the type of person who would most likely be happy if there wasn't any vehicles to begin with

oh by all means yes however CCP should know it's really hard to balance a game while still giving the players the option to do whatever they want it's not easy to do

That is a couple of different issues being manifest at once.

1. Map design is strange. Most maps allow for ridiculous spawn camping on certain sides. Pretty much the only map that doesn't allow it is Fracture Road.

2. With #1 in mind, letting the enemy team get their vehicles established is pretty much a loss. So it becomes important to either have an AT tank right at the start, or to have AV in your squad right out of the gate. These two options are criminally underrepresented at the start of 99% of the matches I see. Sure there might be a rail tank, but he goes racing out for turrets, and gets blown up for his greed, and then the enemy team has ZERO av assets on the field. 3 minutes later they are sewn up in their spawn because they had no plan for dealing with the INEVITABLE tanks and dropships that the enemy called in.

3. Dummies not using the right weapons. You do not shoot swarms at a hardened shield tank. It is not productive, and your best case scenario is to use it to draw them into a trap. I am frequently assaulted by swarms troops attacking my hardened gunloggi in an open field. If they expected to do anything other than die, that is their fault for being stupid, but also the games fault for not explaining how damage profiles work.

4. CCP loves to foster the stomp on them till they quit mentality. It drips throughout this whole game, and it has the exact playerbase it deserves. It is all about the stomp, so you either make yourself one of the horde, or you go solo and try to not get murdered too badly. That applies just as equally to infantry as to tanks, and that stupid HTFU starts to rise out of the mists.

Tanks are a fact of play, and if they are not easy to destroy, then you better have a plan to deal with them at the start of each match. When your squad sounds off their spawns, if you don't have a dedicated AV role, enjoy getting redlined. Might as well just grab a sniper rifle and get your tent setup, save yourself the run.

don't pay him any mind he is the type of person who would most likely be happy if there wasn't any vehicles to begin with

He basicly saying a SL is a worthless weapon because its a lock on which even real life we have missles and rockets that lock on

Its a normal and vaild weapon

making tanks easy to solo destroys the fun for tankers therefor that argument would be double sided by the way if you actually tried hard enough and was smart about it you can solo them the reason av seems so weak is because most tankers are using duel hardners making dmg from av almost a complete joke if the tank only had 1 hardner like mine you could overpower me if you teamed up on me or were using proto

Dropships can out maneuver swarm missiles? That is just BS CCP.

Swarms aren't for noobs, tanks are. It is like bringing a lion to a rooster fight.
Oh but we need 6 tanks/dropships in 50 clone ambush blasting infantry at spawn. Roosters are so delicious... I get 20:1 KD. Shut up.

Although I really don't care if Dust makes tanks/dropships even more powerful, this game is taking up too much of my time anyway.

So CCP give it your best shot. Hope you don't f it up this time. But if you do, who cares?