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Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2296	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:29:00 - [1] - Quote So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all)
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 301	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:36:00 - [2] - Quote I would love to have a scout BPO of every race. That would rock! Guess I could get all four assault varients too...
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1164	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:36:00 - [3] - Quote If we're talking theoretical here, then yes, I would. But I'm fairly certain CCP doesn't want to support the current BPO system anymore. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 318	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:43:00 - [4] - Quote yes CPM1 candidate
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1487	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:45:00 - [5] - Quote I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition 375	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:50:00 - [6] - Quote Sure would. Do it, CCP. Get me out of this filthy Amarr gear. Replication Veteran: On hiatus until we have 10 game modes, jets, all racial suits/wpns and EVE has a reason to care.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8667	Posted - 2014.01.28 00:55:00 - [7] - Quote Yes, would not increase the amount of BPOs in the game so won't hurt the game's economy, and opens up a new way for CCP to make money. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1316	Posted - 2014.01.28 01:06:00 - [8] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources. I don't like the idea, if I don't run Amarr I wouldn't be able to use my Templar BPOs. One thing people don't talk about enough with BPOs is not only are they unlimited but they require 0 SP to use. Basic suits would become a barrier between people and the potential suit skin change you speak of. I like how BPOs work now and I think if we had more players the ones we have wouldn't be an issue in an open market. Also content with BPO versions are become a smaller and smaller percentage of overall content. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Mc Ribwich Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 480	Posted - 2014.01.28 01:11:00 - [9] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Sorta, although I would really love to be able to pay Aurum to change my character's merc quarters. I've been stuck in the Caldari MQ for so long and would really like to change it. Dust 514 video maker Subdreddit EU director and co-director of propaganda Twitter
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 302	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:41:00 - [10] - Quote Sure. I'd pay some money for that. Semi Off Topic: Changing existing BPOs to purely cosmetic would make we unhappy. With appropriate reparations I could live with it though. One step towards helping BPOs no break the economy would be to could BPOs as an appropriate BPC when dealing with loot and payouts. This could have the unfortunate side effect of making money out of nowhere though. Another alternative I've seen mentioned is for the BPOs to automagically produce X BPC dropsuits every day. Depending on X this could be almost the same as current BPO without breaking loot. Although it's still money out of nowhere. This would presumably be easier to integrate with industry if/when that happens. Whatever CCP does there's going to be rage about BPOs. Eventually they'll just have to bite the bullet and do it. If they sweeten the deal somehow then it could be tolerable.

CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:46:00 - [11] - Quote Abso-fricken-lutely. In and out of hiatus frequently.
castba Penguin's March 304	Posted - 2014.01.28 02:51:00 - [12] - Quote Yes, as well as a possible avatar/ma change.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 206	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:31:00 - [13] - Quote Sure, I'd probably go for it, as long as I can change some of my spare BPOs into things I actually want. I almost have a full set of spare 'Skinweave' suits, only missing the scout, but I do have a 'dragonfly' scout to make up for it. (got some other extras too) (I'm fairly certain I'm missing the scout because of a mixup, but I never filed a ticket since I already had another one, a 'Dragonfly' scout, and a 'Valor' scout I might regret not submitting that ticket if this actually happens.) They've just been sitting in the redeem window waiting for me to set them to a character. (But I only have use one toon) Would you be proposing that all new BPOs be MLT level, or would they be the level of the BPO you traded for? (ie: If a person gives a 'Raven' Assault C-1 for a Minmatar BPO, would they receive a 'Raven' Minmatar M-1, or a 'Raven' Militia Minmatar medium frame.) And would we... you know... beabletotrademultipleMLTBPOsinexchangeforoneSTDBPO? be able to trade multiple MLT BPOs in exchange for one STD BPO? (MLT Scrambler Pistol + MLT SMG = STD Magsec SMG) And would they be limited to the class of weapon/dropsuit frame size of the original BPO? ('Exile' AR traded for a 'Exile' Magsec SMG (Light BPO to Sidearm BPO or Magse-Iiii mean Heavy BPO)) or ('Valor' Scout G-1 traded for 'Valor' Sentinel G-1) STDMagsecBPO-STDMagsecBPO-STDMagsecBPO-STDMagsecBPO-STDMagsecBPO-STDMagsecBPO gimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimme Recruiter Link thread
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1165	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:36:00 - [14] - Quote I'm still convinced that CCP would sooner remove BPOs as they are than give us more types of BPOs. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Oswald Rehnquist 1169	Posted - 2014.01.28 03:37:00 - [15] - Quote I would spend aur for this Below 28 dB
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4152	Posted - 2014.01.28 04:07:00 - [16] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Things i would pay AUR for: GÖª SP RESPEC OPTION GÖª Change the Racial Type of one of my BPO GÖª Change my Dust514 Merc Avatar if needed. GÖª Costumize Dropsuit. (COLOR WISE: like having a Gal Scout with the Colors of a Caldari Assault ck.0 or being able to use Urban Cammo on my {Future} Cal Scout) GÖª More BPO THATS IT.Im not spending any more AUR in anything that is not this..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1488	Posted - 2014.01.28 12:06:00 - [17] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever CCP does there's going to be rage about BPOs. Eventually they'll just have to bite the bullet and do it. If they sweeten the deal somehow then it could be tolerable. This. The problem isn't the loot, the problem is that BPO's allow people to just avoid material loss entirely. Playing with "free gear" is ultimately unsustainable, and will lead to uncontrollable inflation in the long run, breaking the economy. Its really no surprise to see CCP shrinking away from the issuance of new BPO's, just as its no surprise to see a sizeable isk sink built into Faction Warfare. Anyone on board the "more BPO's!" train is setting themselves up for disappointment in the future.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 482	Posted - 2014.01.28 12:31:00 - [18] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever CCP does there's going to be rage about BPOs. Eventually they'll just have to bite the bullet and do it. If they sweeten the deal somehow then it could be tolerable. This. The problem isn't the loot, the problem is that BPO's allow people to just avoid material loss entirely. Playing with "free gear" is ultimately unsustainable, and will lead to uncontrollable inflation in the long run, breaking the economy. Its really no surprise to see CCP shrinking away from the issuance of new BPO's, just as its no surprise to see a sizeable isk sink built into Faction Warfare. Anyone on board the "more BPO's!" train is setting themselves up for disappointment in the future. Yeah, true. As for BPOs becoming like EVE, I'm all for it, AS LONG AS they are unlimited run BPOs, but require the materials to make the BPCs from them. Why on earth would they be limited-runs? Makes no sense whatsoever. IRL, would a blueprint for a building type magically vanish from existence when someone builds a second building using said blueprint? LOL, no, it's basically just a detailed guide. I have yet to see this issue be mentioned when discussing the possible future of BPOs. EDIT: OP's proposed idea will never happen, but yes, in this current system I would happily pay AUR to change one of my spare AR BPOs into a CR BPO Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Sports Dude 269	Posted - 2014.01.28 12:47:00 - [19] - Quote Id pay more for the ability to change the avatar and starting suits, but I would also probably pay some AUR to change up some of my BPOs.
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:44:00 - [20] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Yes.

Dremel wp Shadow Company HQ 18	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:56:00 - [21] - Quote Probably yes. http://i.imgur.com/sDVthSP.gif
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2724	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:22:00 - [22] - Quote Sure. Would of course depend on the cost. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6621	Posted - 2014.01.28 19:48:00 - [23] - Quote As long as the base stats and colors aren't affected, I don't care. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 805	Posted - 2014.01.28 19:52:00 - [24] - Quote would be cool but do you really think ccp would take anytime changing something they already consider broken? Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Apply today! The States Necromancer Caldari Loyalist Unite
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2245	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:35:00 - [25] - Quote I would be for this but I still strictly oppose reintroduction of BPO's they are bad for the economy Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2304	Posted - 2014.01.30 08:44:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: As long as the base stats and colors aren't affected, I don't care. Ideally would keep the color scheme transposed onto new suit (HIGHLY dependant on how CCP applies colors to suit textures.) but Honestly I would be fine with losing the color scheme if the racial stats and appearance of another race could be used for one of my BPO's instead. (So long as the BPO retains the base stats of whatever tier the original was)
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 121	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:10:00 - [27] - Quote I've got multiple BPOs that I can't use due to being the wrong race. I have given them money for Merc pack, Elite pack, veteran pack, collectors edition, I would throw more money at them to help spread my BPOs around.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 388	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:30:00 - [28] - Quote I missed this thread Nova, but nice one. I don't have any reason at the moment to buy and spend Aurum, aside from just buying Aurum as a show of support for the game, but I would definitely pay for switching my BPO suits to my chosen race. I don't really use them, but I'd still pay But Heinrich's post is definitely where I'd prefer to spend my Aurum and see Dust BPOs evolved to. Bring out suit and weapon Skins and I'll pay for them.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1604	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:33:00 - [29] - Quote I'd pay to switch some of my BPOs to other racial equivalents. There are some that I just can't use because I don't have the skills, and some I have multiple copies of. In particular, the dragonfly scout suit heh. I wouldn't want to pay a lot though since I know BPOs have to change eventually. They're very helpful right now to anyone who isn't farming the hell out of Molden Heath but in the long run they're bad for the economy, which is the part of the eve universe I find the most interesting. Last I heard the long term plan was for eve players to be able to build and deliver the gear we use. How is that kind of integration going to work if we have blueprints with no material cost and infinite uses?
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3361	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:39:00 - [30] - Quote I would totally do this!!!!! Change my raven suit to an amarr assault or something, would be pretty sweet!!!! Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?

Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2017	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:55:00 - [31] - Quote Yes, I'd love to be able to change my spare dragonfly suits into something I'd use. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
voidfaction Void of Faction 109	Posted - 2014.01.30 14:36:00 - [32] - Quote Yes Would also pay money for different skins
james jared The Phoenix Federation 10	Posted - 2014.01.30 16:06:00 - [33] - Quote I would pay to change my bop suits.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 313	Posted - 2014.01.30 17:24:00 - [34] - Quote Now I wouldn't mind switching a BPO for another BPO of the correct race too. :) The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6652	Posted - 2014.01.30 18:59:00 - [35] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Yes Would also pay money for different skins I would definitely pay money for a paint bucket system. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 323	Posted - 2014.01.30 20:43:00 - [36] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) message from Godin: Hell yes. If that happens, I will give free hugs to all CPM and Devs. The person that makes it really happen will get lots of cookies as well.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2348	Posted - 2014.01.30 20:44:00 - [37] - Quote I would rather trade an Exile AR BPO for a Combat Rifle BPO myself. Hail Satan
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 302	Posted - 2014.01.30 21:25:00 - [38] - Quote Here's a thought. Instead of spending AUR for this which is only going to make CCP some spare change due to finite numbers of BPOs why not also give us the option to swap 2 BPOs for another race's BPO. That way we get the alternate BPOs and CCP gets to reduce the number of BPOs in the game. As a slight aside if this happens don't let people have Templar named BPOs. Make sure the Amarr ones get different names and colour schemes otherwise the Collectors Edition people will be fuming.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 382	Posted - 2014.01.30 21:41:00 - [39] - Quote You've got my vote! Swap my "Skinweave" Amarr Heavy to a Galentte version. Also love the thought of painting my suits with my own corp colour scheme, or at least having my corp logo. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2479	Posted - 2014.01.31 08:34:00 - [40] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) YES YES YES AND YES Seriously, If 1.8 turns out to be great, I will put in $50 into the game. With my AUR, I will gladly change my Elite pack BPO's into minmatar suits. I got 3 BPO assaults, so I would get a Cal and Min Assault (sell the last one on player market) BPO min logi I would keep. BPO Sentinel would become Minmatar as well. My 2 BPO Scouts would become Caldari Scout and Min Scout ( I do love shield tanking) Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 99	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:08:00 - [41] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I want this so badly on my main. I would pay to have my 32 mil SP caldari changed into Minmatar. Please try make it happen! Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 386	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:20:00 - [42] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) I would change my Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Amarrian scout BPO any day of the week. I will show you fear in a handful of dust. \_/ This is my carecup and it's empty, feel free to fill it.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 99	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:34:00 - [43] - Quote Hey mercs! How many of you just chose any ole race when you made your merc all that time ago? How many of you have come to understand the races and lore better and have found strong identification in a race other than your avatar? With a potential dropsuit respec, how awesome would it be to have the chance to change your race and then spec into its dropsuits and gear? I made this merc for this purpose, because I'm not caldari and no amount of mental gymnastics and "oh he is a double agent BS" stops me from longing to have all those hours and AUR that I invested into GREY CARDINAL turn into an avatar I can really get behind... I'll develop this toon lovingly into my Minmatar badass but damn, having GREY turn Minmatar with that 32 mill SP would be a dream. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 63	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:54:00 - [44] - Quote more bpos.. of every race please
Squagga The State Protectorate 101	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:21:00 - [45] - Quote This sounds like a fun idea and all, especially considering that everyone seems to think the more money CCP has rolling in the faster they'll be to progress the game forward. Now I could be wrong here but if traded in my dragonfly for .. a Caldari scout BPO? Well they don't have one of those yet, it actually sounds like they would never make that, cause BPOs are the economic devil. You'd be more likely to get them to produce those fancy AUR suits like the Firebrand. Either way people will pay real world money for those. Also their limited edition. New AUR vanity suits every build? Reloading, the silent killer.
Haerr Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 200	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:56:00 - [46] - Quote I wonder if a form of trade in system could be a possibility? If they were to offer us a chance to trade in our BPOs in exchange for AUR/ Boosters/ different Suit/ Weapon types I wouldn't hesitate, even for a heartbeat, to do so. Though I thought that CCP didn't like the current iteration of the BPOs (i.e. infinite resource) so I wonder why they would bother spending time on this? (I guess it would be an easy way to milk some coin from the die-hard fans but stillGÇª) @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 372	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:18:00 - [47] - Quote That sh!t is lore-breaking yo.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 9	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:33:00 - [48] - Quote No, since it seems beside the point to me. Instead, I'd like the option to procure each race's BPOs from the marketplace. The reason this is in no way a threat to the alleged "economy" is that there is not economy, since that implies transactions between agents and the only transactions currently happening are between the payout algorithm and individual players and then, between individual players and the payin algorithm (aka, the Marketplace). Inflation could be circumvented if BPOs were only acquired from CCP, ie, non-tradable. Then, everyone would be on the same playing field. These BPOs could cost Aurum or have a ridiculously inflated ISK price--say, 100x the cost of the non-BPO gear they match (this assuages the feelings of those that only want an F2P experience). Sure, it pays for itself after 100 uses, but that's sort of the point and besides, if a player is losing gear so fast that this actually benefits their Dust finances, then by all means, please run BPOs. I'd rather have these players on the field to shoot at versus them getting butt-hurt and rage quitting because they just lost their 50th piece of some sort of standard level (or less) equipment. Anything that encourages unskilled/new players to keep playing, get better, and (eventually) try to outcompete each other in expensive gear, is a good thing. "Offering [players] the chance to trade" BPOs is a bad idea--where do you think all the feared inflation would come from? CCP jacking prices? Or veteran Dust (and, often as not EvE) players with caches from beta? Exactly. I think the BPO problem is solved by returning them to their former glory, possibly making more (racial variants?) of them, available to all, non-tradable, and never better than standard (except for the top-tier recruiting reward, because if you can pull that off, you deserve something extra special, you charismatic b@stard, you). This won't negatively impact the "economy" because there's pressure from the player base to run adv+ level gear (ie, other players are doing it and if they're as good as or better than you, they're likely to come out on top if they have better equipment too). Have you seen my baseball?
Mason Ironburn D3LTA FORC3 1	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:12:00 - [49] - Quote While I would gladly pay to change my Dropsuit BPO and Weapon BPOs to ones the racially align with my skills, I would NOT want to do this if they are doomed to be removed or drasticly changed, as then I have paid twice and do not have the products that I purchased.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.02.01 13:37:00 - [50] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Kinda like it based on my biased situation. I Would purchase Aurum to use this service.

Hobo on Fire Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 124	Posted - 2014.02.01 14:23:00 - [51] - Quote I really like the concept of the idea. I'd use it for sure, but good luck convincing CCP. I think it would just end up encouraging more use of the BPOs currently out there, which means we aren't burning isk the way CCP wants us to. I bought the Elite pack, and get tons of use out my my Dren assault (Caldari) and scout (Gallente) suits. I don't use the Amarr Dren heavy at all, and my Dren logi (Minmitar) only gets used when I'm Jihad Jeeping. I do occasionally run a Caldari logi fit (skilled into it since I already had Cal mediums) so trading my Minmitar logi BPO for a Caldari one would save me cash, therefore giving me an incentive to use it more often. It puts a plug into CCPs isk sink. If we're talking weapons, the few people that still bother with swarms know they need to go proto to accomplish anything. Anyone who possesses a Dren Swarm launcher would be stupid not to trade it in for a Rail or Combat Rifle BPO. Trading in that single weapon has the potential to keep a lot of isk in player pockets. Basically, unless CCP can pull enough aurum out of it to hire a new employee specifically to sort out Dust's economy, I don't think they'll go for it. Of course this all becomes invalid if/when they change how BPOs work. I'm in favor of the "BPO issues X copies per day" concept.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1008	Posted - 2014.02.01 14:39:00 - [52] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Of course I would pay aurum for this.... I'm specced into gall logi and gall assault none of these have BPO's. I do however have a minmatar logi and a caldari assault BPO... 1+1= profit Plasma Cannon Advocate
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 686	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:08:00 - [53] - Quote I absolutely would pay aurum for this idea. I would love my dragonfly scout to be a new race, not default gal mothballed in the closet.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6134	Posted - 2014.02.01 19:18:00 - [54] - Quote I would. I have 5-7 Caldari Assault BPO's, I would REALLY like to exchange them for Gallente Assault. Especially the Covenant one, because the red would look AWESOME! Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 3814	Posted - 2014.02.01 19:24:00 - [55] - Quote I would if I had BPO's. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 157	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:32:00 - [56] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Things i would pay AUR for: GÖª SP RESPEC OPTION GÖª Change the Racial Type of one of my BPO GÖª Change my Dust514 Merc Avatar if needed. GÖª Costumize Dropsuit. (COLOR WISE: like having a Gal Scout with the Colors of a Caldari Assault ck.0 or being able to use Urban Cammo on my {Future} Cal Scout) GÖª More BPO THATS IT.Im not spending any more AUR in anything that is not this..... +1 *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1885	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:39:00 - [57] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Yes. I'd even extend it a bit further to say it would be nice to change racial weapon BPOs into another racial sub-type. I have several thousand AUR that (since the removal of both BPOs and Omega) is just sitting around because there's nothing on the AUR market I have any use for (my basic boosters are already stockpiled for over a year). If CCP opened up this option I'd be able to make more use of the AUR items I already have (for example I have more than one Dragonfly BPO) and would have something to spend my AUR on, I'd even buy more AUR if my current stockpile isn't quite enough to give me full racial diversity among the BPOs I already possess. As a last note it would be a great promo for this feature to offer the other racial BPOs on the market for a very limited time. It would highlight the new feature (earning CCP AUR) and it would allow some of the players who haven't been around quite as long to spend AUR to get in on the action. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1885	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:50:00 - [58] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources. Most of the BPOs are only mildly, if at all, more powerful than the starter gear and removing their functionality in favor of making them purely cosmetic is something I highly oppose. I didn't buy the dren pack for the brown color scheme and I would have zero use for it in that state. I didn't buy the EVE collectors edition for a templar 'skin' to put on my suits, nor would it be useful to have a dropsuit that looked like a logi but didn't provide any of the equipment slots etc. The current starter gear offers a free assault role but no others, making BPOs superficial not only strips the value of products that are already bought and paid for (in real currency not ISK) it biases game play in favor of one role over all others, and it also flies in the face of New Eden precedence, there are still T2 BPOs in EVE despite their no longer being seeded into the game and players who hold those wield a much greater advantage over their counterparts than possession of the current BPOs grants, nor did those players pay IRL cash for those T2 BPOs they were simply paying the same game access fee as everyone else (which in the case of Dust is a fee of zero). If CCP ever makes such a move they'd better at least offer a high value conversion of those BPOs into Omega boosters so that those who've spent actual money on the game (starting as far back as closed beta) aren't stuck with only cosmetic nonsense for which we have no use and for which we would not have paid in the first place. 0.02 ISK Cross PS ~ I have nothing against the concept of adding skins as described. If folks want those then by all means add them, but a paint job can never be a substitute for an actual asset and it's a notable breach of trust to change a purchase from useful to cosmetic after it's been paid for. EDIT: One further note, in current game state PC does vastly more to stabilize the in game econ than the BPOs, consider the earnings value per day of one district to the number of meta 1 fits which a player would have to lose to equal the same ISK footprint. If CCP is deeply concerned about the current state of the in game economy they have bigger fish to fry, and ones that don't involve altering the value of IRL purchases. SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 166	Posted - 2014.02.02 01:54:00 - [59] - Quote Doesn't the nsw suite already hint at being adaptable? Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 166	Posted - 2014.02.02 01:56:00 - [60] - Quote Also on the bpo front, i like the sponsored idea that current bpo holders material costs are covered by the mega corps to promote weapon types on the battle field. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!

Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 886	Posted - 2014.02.02 02:32:00 - [61] - Quote I would love to convert a Gal-Scout to a Min-Scout and a Cal-Assault to a Gal-Assault. I would do this in a heartbeat Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected]
Ventis Gant Goibhniu Industries 40	Posted - 2014.02.02 02:56:00 - [62] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever CCP does there's going to be rage about BPOs. Eventually they'll just have to bite the bullet and do it. If they sweeten the deal somehow then it could be tolerable. This. The problem isn't the loot, the problem is that BPO's allow people to just avoid material loss entirely. Playing with "free gear" is ultimately unsustainable, and will lead to uncontrollable inflation in the long run, breaking the economy. Its really no surprise to see CCP shrinking away from the issuance of new BPO's, just as its no surprise to see a sizeable isk sink built into Faction Warfare. Anyone on board the "more BPO's!" train is setting themselves up for disappointment in the future. Yeah, true. As for BPOs becoming like EVE, I'm all for it, AS LONG AS they are unlimited run BPOs, but require the materials to make the BPCs from them. Why on earth would they be limited-runs? Makes no sense whatsoever. IRL, would a blueprint for a building type magically vanish from existence when someone builds a second building using said blueprint? LOL, no, it's basically just a detailed guide. I have yet to see this issue be mentioned when discussing the possible future of BPOs. EDIT: OP's proposed idea will never happen, but yes, in this current system I would happily pay AUR to change one of my spare AR BPOs into a CR BPO BPCs and BPOs work the way they do because of DRM (digital rights management). A BPC has a certain number of licensed runs (in EVE anyway) and then "deletes" itself when these runs are used up. The BPCs that we buy for gear in Dust are single run BPCs. BPOs, however, are DRM free. They have no limits on use. Of course, if this were the real world, someone would have broken the DRM on BPCs within 24 hours and turned them into BPOs.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 871	Posted - 2014.02.02 04:17:00 - [63] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources. Most of the BPOs are only mildly, if at all, more powerful than the starter gear and removing their functionality in favor of making them purely cosmetic is something I highly oppose. I didn't buy the dren pack for the brown color scheme and I would have zero use for it in that state. I didn't buy the EVE collectors edition for a templar 'skin' to put on my suits, nor would it be useful to have a dropsuit that looked like a logi but didn't provide any of the equipment slots etc. The current starter gear offers a free assault role but no others, making BPOs superficial not only strips the value of products that are already bought and paid for (in real currency not ISK) it biases game play in favor of one role over all others, and it also flies in the face of New Eden precedence, there are still T2 BPOs in EVE despite their no longer being seeded into the game and players who hold those wield a much greater advantage over their counterparts than possession of the current BPOs grants, nor did those players pay IRL cash for those T2 BPOs they were simply paying the same game access fee as everyone else (which in the case of Dust is a fee of zero). If CCP ever makes such a move they'd better at least offer a high value conversion of those BPOs into Omega boosters so that those who've spent actual money on the game (starting as far back as closed beta) aren't stuck with only cosmetic nonsense for which we have no use and for which we would not have paid in the first place. 0.02 ISK Cross PS ~ I have nothing against the concept of adding skins as described. If folks want those then by all means add them, but a paint job can never be a substitute for an actual asset and it's a notable breach of trust to change a purchase from useful to cosmetic after it's been paid for. EDIT: One further note, in current game state PC does vastly more to stabilize the in game econ than the BPOs, consider the earnings value per day of one district to the number of meta 1 fits which a player would have to lose to equal the same ISK footprint. If CCP is deeply concerned about the current state of the in game economy they have bigger fish to fry, and ones that don't involve altering the value of IRL purchases. Very well said. BPOs aren't that huge of an economic impact. They're replacing gear that is already dirt cheap. If we had ADV or PRO BPOs that would be a major problem, but the STD and MIL stuff is pretty harmless to the economy. If they get converted into paint jobs, I'm going to be pissed, that's not what I paid for. Best PvE idea ever!
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4782	Posted - 2014.02.02 04:49:00 - [64] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources. Most of the BPOs are only mildly, if at all, more powerful than the starter gear and removing their functionality in favor of making them purely cosmetic is something I highly oppose. I didn't buy the dren pack for the brown color scheme and I would have zero use for it in that state. I didn't buy the EVE collectors edition for a templar 'skin' to put on my suits, nor would it be useful to have a dropsuit that looked like a logi but didn't provide any of the equipment slots etc. The current starter gear offers a free assault role but no others, making BPOs superficial not only strips the value of products that are already bought and paid for (in real currency not ISK) it biases game play in favor of one role over all others, and it also flies in the face of New Eden precedence, there are still T2 BPOs in EVE despite their no longer being seeded into the game and players who hold those wield a much greater advantage over their counterparts than possession of the current BPOs grants, nor did those players pay IRL cash for those T2 BPOs they were simply paying the same game access fee as everyone else (which in the case of Dust is a fee of zero). If CCP ever makes such a move they'd better at least offer a high value conversion of those BPOs into Omega boosters so that those who've spent actual money on the game (starting as far back as closed beta) aren't stuck with only cosmetic nonsense for which we have no use and for which we would not have paid in the first place. 0.02 ISK Cross PS ~ I have nothing against the concept of adding skins as described. If folks want those then by all means add them, but a paint job can never be a substitute for an actual asset and it's a notable breach of trust to change a purchase from useful to cosmetic after it's been paid for. EDIT: One further note, in current game state PC does vastly more to stabilize the in game econ than the BPOs, consider the earnings value per day of one district to the number of meta 1 fits which a player would have to lose to equal the same ISK footprint. If CCP is deeply concerned about the current state of the in game economy they have bigger fish to fry, and ones that don't involve altering the value of IRL purchases. Very well said. BPOs aren't that huge of an economic impact. They're replacing gear that is already dirt cheap. If we had ADV or PRO BPOs that would be a major problem, but the STD and MIL stuff is pretty harmless to the economy. If they get converted into paint jobs, I'm going to be pissed, that's not what I paid for. I paid for my BPOs and I would be perfectly fine if they were converted to cosmetic items. Getting beat up over paying for virtual assets is a pretty silly thing when all video games have an end-date. MAG just recently died for good, as a perfect example. But yes, BPO's do have a major in-game impact on the economy. Sure, Standard/Militia stuff is dirt cheap and all but you're thinking short term, the single death. Assuming that I save 10,000 ISK per suit (a stretch at the standard/militia level), that doesn't sound like much on a battle-to-battle scenario but since I've been playing? I would have saved 63,830,000 ISK. That's a lot in Dust terms. I'm also not going to be losing any ISK from this point on and will continue to save ISK endlessly, it's riskless income. This isn't to say that PC isn't a major contributor to economic impact but that's a strawman argument. They're separate issues. Just as well, this isn't to say that there shouldn't be compensation for any changes made but face it; people are going to *** just by CCP even touching them at all. I'd much rather people get angry and quit the game for the sake of the game's overall health than let it fester at the game's expense.** And sure, T2 BPOs are a thing in Eve Online... but they're so rare... They're -insanely- hard to come by and when you do, the auctions are incredible. It's like Capital ships in high-sec it's so rare. I'm glad we're moving away from the BPO non-sense because it never should have existed in the first place, I never did agree with them; it's just people paying money so they can have a notable edge over those that didn't - same as the Boosters. EDIT: Further more, T2 BPO's in Eve Online still have material costs. They still cost -SOMETHING-. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 292	Posted - 2014.02.02 04:52:00 - [65] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) I get where this is coming from, and I would possibly use it if the price was right. Bottom line for me though is I would prefer them to not spend their resources on this. With blueprints removed from the store they need to be focusing on deciding just what their goals are in terms of skins or player manufacturing via bpo's. If and when they come up with a new design for them, I think some sort of a swap would be very attractive, but as it stands now they need to fix the broken system, before they expand it. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 872	Posted - 2014.02.02 13:51:00 - [66] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Cross Atu wrote: (snip) Very well said. BPOs aren't that huge of an economic impact. They're replacing gear that is already dirt cheap. If we had ADV or PRO BPOs that would be a major problem, but the STD and MIL stuff is pretty harmless to the economy. If they get converted into paint jobs, I'm going to be pissed, that's not what I paid for. I paid for my BPOs and I would be perfectly fine if they were converted to cosmetic items. Getting beat up over paying for virtual assets is a pretty silly thing when all video games have an end-date. MAG just recently died for good, as a perfect example. But yes, BPO's do have a major in-game impact on the economy. Sure, Standard/Militia stuff is dirt cheap and all but you're thinking short term, the single death. Assuming that I save 10,000 ISK per suit (a stretch at the standard/militia level), that doesn't sound like much on a battle-to-battle scenario but since I've been playing? I would have saved 63,830,000 ISK. That's a lot in Dust terms. I'm also not going to be losing any ISK from this point on and will continue to save ISK endlessly, it's riskless income. This isn't to say that PC isn't a major contributor to economic impact but that's a strawman argument. They're separate issues. Just as well, this isn't to say that there shouldn't be compensation for any changes made but face it; people are going to *** just by CCP even touching them at all. I'd much rather people get angry and quit the game for the sake of the game's overall health than let it fester at the game's expense.** And sure, T2 BPOs are a thing in Eve Online... but they're so rare... They're -insanely- hard to come by and when you do, the auctions are incredible. It's like Capital ships in high-sec it's so rare. I'm glad we're moving away from the BPO non-sense because it never should have existed in the first place, I never did agree with them; it's just people paying money so they can have a notable edge over those that didn't - same as the Boosters. EDIT: Further more, T2 BPO's in Eve Online still have material costs. They still cost -SOMETHING-. DUST doesn't have an end date planned. It's a persistent world. If CCP has its way, we will be playing EVE and DUST in 20 years from now. How are you arriving at the 63,830,000 ISK figure? Are you simply multiplying your carreer number of deaths by 10,000 ISK? You've never died in a non-BPO suit? Let's be honest here, you're pulling numbers out of your ass and using them to justify your argument, that's ridiculous. If I had to estimate the ISK value saved by my BPO suits/weapons/modules over the last year, it would probably be under 20 mill ISK. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall ISK won/lost over that same period. It also incentivizes cheap fits from vets which helps curb pubstomping. It's not a strawman to point to the larger issues of the ISK sinks and faucets. I think BPOs will become an increasingly small issue as the playerbase grows and no more are added. I think CCP had a good reason for removing new BPOs from the market, but the existing ones aren't breaking the economy. It's like a modest reward to players who slogged through the post-Uprising "beta period," and believed enough in the game to support it with significant amounts of cash, despite most people claiming doom. Best PvE idea ever!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1711	Posted - 2014.02.02 14:23:00 - [67] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Well regarding the point that BPOs are doomed anyways I personally wouldn't pay Aurum for changing the racial type of it. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Shley Ashes State Patriots 98	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:13:00 - [68] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) I would really like this to be possible, CCP would actually be getting twice the Aurum almost, in this case, Only issue I would have is that modules have been removed/refunded for Vehicle BPO's is there a guarantee that the other BPO's are truly safe, CCP Praetorian's supposed troll at Eve Vegas does not fill me with confidence even with CCP Logibro making the statement to say otherwise, about them not being removed. +1 I like this idea, I don't think CCP will go for it though For 21 day EveOnline trial https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=0f1324bf-679c-420a-b7ed-c181423c1369&action=buddy
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4786	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:27:00 - [69] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Very well said. BPOs aren't that huge of an economic impact. They're replacing gear that is already dirt cheap. If we had ADV or PRO BPOs that would be a major problem, but the STD and MIL stuff is pretty harmless to the economy. If they get converted into paint jobs, I'm going to be pissed, that's not what I paid for. I paid for my BPOs and I would be perfectly fine if they were converted to cosmetic items. Getting beat up over paying for virtual assets is a pretty silly thing when all video games have an end-date. MAG just recently died for good, as a perfect example. But yes, BPO's do have a major in-game impact on the economy. Sure, Standard/Militia stuff is dirt cheap and all but you're thinking short term, the single death. Assuming that I save 10,000 ISK per suit (a stretch at the standard/militia level), that doesn't sound like much on a battle-to-battle scenario but since I've been playing? I would have saved 63,830,000 ISK. That's a lot in Dust terms. I'm also not going to be losing any ISK from this point on and will continue to save ISK endlessly, it's riskless income. This isn't to say that PC isn't a major contributor to economic impact but that's a strawman argument. They're separate issues. Just as well, this isn't to say that there shouldn't be compensation for any changes made but face it; people are going to *** just by CCP even touching them at all. I'd much rather people get angry and quit the game for the sake of the game's overall health than let it fester at the game's expense.** And sure, T2 BPOs are a thing in Eve Online... but they're so rare... They're -insanely- hard to come by and when you do, the auctions are incredible. It's like Capital ships in high-sec it's so rare. I'm glad we're moving away from the BPO non-sense because it never should have existed in the first place, I never did agree with them; it's just people paying money so they can have a notable edge over those that didn't - same as the Boosters. EDIT: Further more, T2 BPO's in Eve Online still have material costs. They still cost -SOMETHING-. DUST doesn't have an end date planned. It's a persistent world. If CCP has its way, we will be playing EVE and DUST in 20 years from now. How are you arriving at the 63,830,000 ISK figure? Are you simply multiplying your carreer number of deaths by 10,000 ISK? You've never died in a non-BPO suit? Let's be honest here, you're pulling numbers out of your ass and using them to justify your argument, that's ridiculous. If I had to estimate the ISK value saved by my BPO suits/weapons/modules over the last year, it would probably be under 20 mill ISK. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall ISK won/lost over that same period. It also incentivizes cheap fits from vets which helps curb pubstomping. It's not a strawman to point to the larger issues of the ISK sinks and faucets. A strawman is to misrepresent the other person's argument and argue against the misrepresentation. BPOs are a very small economic impact compared to PC. I think BPOs will become an increasingly small issue as the playerbase grows and no more are added. I think CCP had a good reason for removing new BPOs from being sold on the market, but the existing ones aren't breaking the economy. It's like a modest reward to players who slogged through the post-Uprising "beta period," and believed enough in the game to support it with significant amounts of cash, despite most people claiming doom. Sure, my fault for using anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence but I figured since we're committing logical fallacies to strengthen weak arguments I might as well. Comparing BPO's to PC as far as degrees of economic impact isn't going to shift favor toward BPO's, they both make an impact just with different degrees. Saying that one makes more or less of an impact than the other isn't justification for leaving the other issue to stand - both should be destroyed with fire. And yes, PC does make a bigger impact but it isn't without it's risks and losses. District locking aside (because I know for a fact that's going to be brought into this debate) a corporation can lose a district and by default lose the source of income. BPO's are permanent, cannot be lost and provide no inherent risk at all in their use. There is no way that I can take them away from you and you'll never spend a single ISK in their use. ALL BPOs in Eve Online (including T2 BPOs) have material costs. They're permanent, sure, but you're still paying for -something- and that's what the main issue with Dust's BPOs are to begin with. You're not spending anything, you're not having to work for anything and you can't lose it. For that reason, I consider BPOs to be a larger economic impact than PC and I personally feel like they're a big factor in the reasoning for why this game hasn't enveloped a player market yet. Stop for a second and consider the prices of standard Caldari Assault and Gallente Scout suits on a player market, considering the prominence of BPO's on those suits. What do you think the prices would be set as when compared to, say, a standard Commando suit if BPOs are a factor and the players set the prices? Like I said, if they had some material cost I wouldn't care about their permanence - but they do, and for that reason I'm glad they stopped introducing them and I hope they convert them into something that doesn't directly impact the game's economy in any way, shape or form. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3422	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:28:00 - [70] - Quote A commando suit with the raven assault suit skin Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1161	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:38:00 - [71] - Quote Game has to be un-broken before I pay more. Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 168	Posted - 2014.02.02 19:19:00 - [72] - Quote i would love this. As long as it would only require 1 of your bpo's and the aur to convert it. And the suit was equally as effective as the other. For instance most dren suits have a slight advantage over the other std version non bpo suits. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 168	Posted - 2014.02.02 19:21:00 - [73] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Very well said. BPOs aren't that huge of an economic impact. They're replacing gear that is already dirt cheap. If we had ADV or PRO BPOs that would be a major problem, but the STD and MIL stuff is pretty harmless to the economy. If they get converted into paint jobs, I'm going to be pissed, that's not what I paid for. I paid for my BPOs and I would be perfectly fine if they were converted to cosmetic items. Getting beat up over paying for virtual assets is a pretty silly thing when all video games have an end-date. MAG just recently died for good, as a perfect example. But yes, BPO's do have a major in-game impact on the economy. Sure, Standard/Militia stuff is dirt cheap and all but you're thinking short term, the single death. Assuming that I save 10,000 ISK per suit (a stretch at the standard/militia level), that doesn't sound like much on a battle-to-battle scenario but since I've been playing? I would have saved 63,830,000 ISK. That's a lot in Dust terms. I'm also not going to be losing any ISK from this point on and will continue to save ISK endlessly, it's riskless income. This isn't to say that PC isn't a major contributor to economic impact but that's a strawman argument. They're separate issues. Just as well, this isn't to say that there shouldn't be compensation for any changes made but face it; people are going to *** just by CCP even touching them at all. I'd much rather people get angry and quit the game for the sake of the game's overall health than let it fester at the game's expense. And sure, T2 BPOs are a thing in Eve Online... but they're so rare... They're -insanely- hard to come by and when you do, the auctions are incredible. It's like Capital ships in high-sec it's so rare. I'm glad we're moving away from the BPO non-sense because it never should have existed in the first place, I never did agree with them; it's just people paying money so they can have a notable edge over those that didn't - same as the Boosters. EDIT: Further more, T2 BPO's in Eve Online still have material costs. They still cost -SOMETHING-. DUST doesn't have an end date planned. It's a persistent world. If CCP has its way, we will be playing EVE and DUST in 20 years from now. How are you arriving at the 63,830,000 ISK figure? Are you simply multiplying your carreer number of deaths by 10,000 ISK? You've never died in a non-BPO suit? Let's be honest here, you're pulling numbers out of your ass and using them to justify your argument, that's ridiculous. If I had to estimate the ISK value saved by my BPO suits/weapons/modules over the last year, it would probably be under 20 mill ISK. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall ISK won/lost over that same period. It also incentivizes cheap fits from vets which helps curb pubstomping. It's not a strawman to point to the larger issues of the ISK sinks and faucets. A strawman is to misrepresent the other person's argument and argue against the misrepresentation. BPOs are a very small economic impact compared to PC. I think BPOs will become an increasingly small issue as the playerbase grows and no more are added. I think CCP had a good reason for removing new BPOs from being sold on the market, but the existing ones aren't breaking the economy. It's like a modest reward to players who slogged through the post-Uprising "beta period," and believed enough in the game to support it with significant amounts of cash, despite most people claiming doom. Sure, my fault for using anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence but I figured since we're committing logical fallacies to strengthen weak arguments I might as well. Comparing BPO's to PC as far as degrees of economic impact isn't going to shift favor toward BPO's, they both make an impact just with different degrees. Saying that one makes more or less of an impact than the other isn't justification for leaving the other issue to stand - both should be destroyed with fire. And yes, PC does make a bigger impact but it isn't without it's risks and losses. District locking aside (because I know for a fact that's going to be brought into this debate) a corporation can lose a district and by default lose the source of income. BPO's are permanent, cannot be lost and provide no inherent risk at all in their use. There is no way that I can take them away from you and you'll never spend a single ISK in their use. ALL BPOs in Eve Online (including T2 BPOs) have material costs. They're permanent, sure, but you're still paying for -something- and that's what the main issue with Dust's BPOs are to begin with. You're not spending anything, you're not having to work for anything and you can't lose it. For that reason, I consider BPOs to be a larger economic impact than PC and I personally feel like they're a big factor in the reasoning for why this game hasn't enveloped a player market yet. Stop for a second and consider the prices of standard Caldari Assault and Gallente Scout suits on a player market, considering the prominence of BPO's on those suits. What do you think the prices would be set as when compared to, say, a standard Commando suit if BPOs are a factor and the players set the prices? Like I said, if they had some material cost I wouldn't care about their permanence - but they do, and for that reason I'm glad they stopped introducing them and I hope they convert them into something that doesn't directly impact the game's economy in any way, shape or form. you know most people don't use a fully blue printed suit right? they throw on some enchanced equipment of adv weapons. So therefore there is some cost of isk to the ones whom do this. For example, my dren sentinel suit costs me 25k isk per fit. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.**
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4786	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:40:00 - [74] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Very well said. BPOs aren't that huge of an economic impact. They're replacing gear that is already dirt cheap. If we had ADV or PRO BPOs that would be a major problem, but the STD and MIL stuff is pretty harmless to the economy. If they get converted into paint jobs, I'm going to be pissed, that's not what I paid for. I paid for my BPOs and I would be perfectly fine if they were converted to cosmetic items. Getting beat up over paying for virtual assets is a pretty silly thing when all video games have an end-date. MAG just recently died for good, as a perfect example. But yes, BPO's do have a major in-game impact on the economy. Sure, Standard/Militia stuff is dirt cheap and all but you're thinking short term, the single death. Assuming that I save 10,000 ISK per suit (a stretch at the standard/militia level), that doesn't sound like much on a battle-to-battle scenario but since I've been playing? I would have saved 63,830,000 ISK. That's a lot in Dust terms. I'm also not going to be losing any ISK from this point on and will continue to save ISK endlessly, it's riskless income. This isn't to say that PC isn't a major contributor to economic impact but that's a strawman argument. They're separate issues. Just as well, this isn't to say that there shouldn't be compensation for any changes made but face it; people are going to *** just by CCP even touching them at all. I'd much rather people get angry and quit the game for the sake of the game's overall health than let it fester at the game's expense.** And sure, T2 BPOs are a thing in Eve Online... but they're so rare... They're -insanely- hard to come by and when you do, the auctions are incredible. It's like Capital ships in high-sec it's so rare. I'm glad we're moving away from the BPO non-sense because it never should have existed in the first place, I never did agree with them; it's just people paying money so they can have a notable edge over those that didn't - same as the Boosters. EDIT: Further more, T2 BPO's in Eve Online still have material costs. They still cost -SOMETHING-. DUST doesn't have an end date planned. It's a persistent world. If CCP has its way, we will be playing EVE and DUST in 20 years from now. How are you arriving at the 63,830,000 ISK figure? Are you simply multiplying your carreer number of deaths by 10,000 ISK? You've never died in a non-BPO suit? Let's be honest here, you're pulling numbers out of your ass and using them to justify your argument, that's ridiculous. If I had to estimate the ISK value saved by my BPO suits/weapons/modules over the last year, it would probably be under 20 mill ISK. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall ISK won/lost over that same period. It also incentivizes cheap fits from vets which helps curb pubstomping. It's not a strawman to point to the larger issues of the ISK sinks and faucets. A strawman is to misrepresent the other person's argument and argue against the misrepresentation. BPOs are a very small economic impact compared to PC. I think BPOs will become an increasingly small issue as the playerbase grows and no more are added. I think CCP had a good reason for removing new BPOs from being sold on the market, but the existing ones aren't breaking the economy. It's like a modest reward to players who slogged through the post-Uprising "beta period," and believed enough in the game to support it with significant amounts of cash, despite most people claiming doom. Sure, my fault for using anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence but I figured since we're committing logical fallacies to strengthen weak arguments I might as well. Comparing BPO's to PC as far as degrees of economic impact isn't going to shift favor toward BPO's, they both make an impact just with different degrees. Saying that one makes more or less of an impact than the other isn't justification for leaving the other issue to stand - both should be destroyed with fire. And yes, PC does make a bigger impact but it isn't without it's risks and losses. District locking aside (because I know for a fact that's going to be brought into this debate) a corporation can lose a district and by default lose the source of income. BPO's are permanent, cannot be lost and provide no inherent risk at all in their use. There is no way that I can take them away from you and you'll never spend a single ISK in their use. ALL BPOs in Eve Online (including T2 BPOs) have material costs. They're permanent, sure, but you're still paying for -something- and that's what the main issue with Dust's BPOs are to begin with. You're not spending anything, you're not having to work for anything and you can't lose it. For that reason, I consider BPOs to be a larger economic impact than PC and I personally feel like they're a big factor in the reasoning for why this game hasn't enveloped a player market yet. Stop for a second and consider the prices of standard Caldari Assault and Gallente Scout suits on a player market, considering the prominence of BPO's on those suits. What do you think the prices would be set as when compared to, say, a standard Commando suit if BPOs are a factor and the players set the prices? Like I said, if they had some material cost I wouldn't care about their permanence - but they do, and for that reason I'm glad they stopped introducing them and I hope they convert them into something that doesn't directly impact the game's economy in any way, shape or form. you know most people don't use a fully blue printed suit right? they throw on some enchanced equipment of adv weapons. So therefore there is some cost of isk to the ones whom do this. For example, my dren sentinel suit costs me 25k isk per fit. If I run a Proto suit with nothing but militia gear, am I still a protostomper? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1889	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:33:00 - [75] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I paid for my BPOs and I would be perfectly fine if they were converted to cosmetic items. Getting beat up over paying for virtual assets is a pretty silly thing when all video games have an end-date. MAG just recently died for good, as a perfect example. But yes, BPO's do have a major in-game impact on the economy. Sure, Standard/Militia stuff is dirt cheap and all but you're thinking short term, the single death. Assuming that I save 10,000 ISK per suit (a stretch at the standard/militia level), that doesn't sound like much on a battle-to-battle scenario but since I've been playing? I would have saved 63,830,000 ISK. That's a lot in Dust terms. I'm also not going to be losing any ISK from this point on and will continue to save ISK endlessly, it's riskless income. This isn't to say that PC isn't a major contributor to economic impact but that's a strawman argument. They're separate issues. Just as well, this isn't to say that there shouldn't be compensation for any changes made but face it; people are going to *** just by CCP even touching them at all. I'd much rather people get angry and quit the game for the sake of the game's overall health than let it fester at the game's expense.** Much like running T2 production in secured lines in EVE, and even more like select corps being able to milk the current PC setup for vast amounts of passive income. The ISK value of a BPO may have no end date as long as the game is running but nor does holding districts in PC (presuming neither are patched). Your contention that this is a strawman is flawed. Development resources are not limitless, changes in game are prioritized constantly as part of the development process and a focus on larger implications is simply sensible practice. Focusing resources on removing a lessor factor while at the same time altering the fundamental nature of items post sale is a poor choice on more than one front. SP is a lasting resource with limitless effect on the game, and frankly grants more power/advantage than any BPO, it even has economic implications because of how it makes gear more effective thus fundamentally altering the risk v reward dynamic in those cases. We can even tag direct econ values to these investments by looking at the AUR cost of various gear or comparing the meta grade cost variants between ISK versions. By the reasoning you've presented above it would be entirely fine for CCP to retroactively alter the effect/value of skill boosters after they're bought and payed for. Frankly that is a breach of trust and no matter how many folks are of the same opinion as yourself and would be fine with it there are plenty who are not fine with it, and perhaps more importantly there are many potential players who will be looking at how things are done. In a gaming market where not offering flowing respecs raises so much resistance/ire there's really no case to be made for altering the contents of micro transactions post purchase having 'no negative impact' on game growth/player faith. Aeon Amadi wrote: And sure, T2 BPOs are a thing in Eve Online... but they're so rare... They're -insanely- hard to come by and when you do, the auctions are incredible. It's like Capital ships in high-sec it's so rare. I'm glad we're moving away from the BPO non-sense because it never should have existed in the first place, I never did agree with them; it's just people paying money so they can have a notable edge over those that didn't - same as the Boosters. EDIT: Further more, T2 BPO's in Eve Online still have material costs. They still cost -SOMETHING-. T2 BPOs aren't just "a thing" in EVE they're a limitless ISK faucet, but more than direct ISK they can shape market forces, define the price and accessibility of goods and even turn the tide larger engagements when one side has more access than the other. They effect build times, resource types, and that's not even touching on the concept of selling BPC copies... The current BPOs are vastly closer in potency to the starter ships in EVE (which are also free an limitless), this can be easily seen by their mechanical proximity to the free starter fits in Dust. A Sver or Raven BPO in Dust is much closer mechanically and meta to a Vexor BPO than to an Ishtar, and even a Vexor has substantially more statistical advantage over a starter ship in EVE than a dragonfly assault has over a free starter fit in Dust. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1107	Posted - 2014.02.03 09:57:00 - [76] - Quote Sure I'd pay to be able to do what the OP described. On a side note, I'd also pay to be able to change my avatar's race. Just throwing that out there. {:)}{3GÇó>
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4790	Posted - 2014.02.03 11:58:00 - [77] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: T2 BPOs aren't just "a thing" in EVE they're a limitless ISK faucet, but more than direct ISK they can shape market forces, define the price and accessibility of goods and even turn the tide larger engagements when one side has more access than the other. They effect build times, resource types, and that's not even touching on the concept of selling BPC copies... The current BPOs are vastly closer in potency to the starter ships in EVE (which are also free an limitless), this can be easily seen by their mechanical proximity to the free starter fits in Dust. A Sver or Raven BPO in Dust is much closer mechanically and meta to a Vexor BPO than to an Ishtar, and even a Vexor has substantially more statistical advantage over a starter ship in EVE than a dragonfly assault has over a free starter fit in Dust. 0.02 ISK Cross Was kinda following with what you were saying until the second paragraph at which point I have no idea what you're trying to get across. I'll try to formulate an appropriate response based on what I -think- you're trying to convey. Yes. I misused the strawman argument. Focusing solely on that and presuming my claim to be necessarily wrong due to a committed fallacy is, coincidentally, a fallacy in and of itself. Moving on. Starter ships in Eve Online are free, sure but they're very low power. Practically any ship in the game can best a starter ship with a variety of different ways to go about it. An Enyo can annihilate it in close range brawler combat with turrets and a Myrmidon can kill it just by using drones and being able to out-tank anything it's going to throw down range. BPOs in Dust 514 have the capability to commit a lot of damage and it's very skill dependent, both mechanically (skill levels) and by way of genuine player skill. I can still achieve a very high KDR with BPO gear and change the course of the battle because of my skills and my experience in FPS but I won't go into that because, again, it's my personal experiences and it doesn't apply to the spectrum of the game. BPO's are a direct impact on the market because of their nature - even a starter ship in Eve still requires some expenditure for the modules. BPOs in Eve Online (however permanent or powerful) still require some investment. A T2 BPO can shift the battle, absolutely but it doesn't do anyone any good if you can't dish out the materials necessary to craft the ship in the first place. There is still a loss involved. Now, onto the "breach of trust" argument. It is illogical to assume that you deserve or are entitled to anything simply because you bought it. You agreed to allow CCP to change their game in and way, shape or form they deemed necessary when you signed the EULA and in the end it's a moral stipulation of you basically demanding CCP does (or does not) something with their product. This is wrong on so many levels because it's basically stating that because you spent $20 on a Mercenary Pack, you have more entitlement over their own proprietary rights to their product than they do. Getting angry and trying to bring up some class action lawsuit is immature, plain and simple. You paid for something. That's fine. You also agreed to allow them to have creative control over what it does. Just that simple. If you sign a contract or agree to something, it's set in stone and while I do have some sympathy (however little) to buying something that changes in the future, I side with CCP's design philosophy on this one because in the end, no matter what you say, it's -THEIR- product. They can do what they want with it. You have no right to say, demand or insinuate otherwise. You can - however - stop playing the game if you disagree with it. In conclusion, I could honestly care less how frustrated or angry a player gets because of an in-game change. You're entitled to your opinion, by all means, but in the end the game's health has to come first above all else. I'd rather the game lose half the player base and fall apart because people got irritable over changes to the content they spent money on than have a lasting consequence that impacts the game by appealing to emotion. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 227	Posted - 2014.02.03 13:09:00 - [78] - Quote Could not support this. The future of BPOs should be like BPOs in EVE where they're used as an unlimited run manufacturing item or to make limited run BPCs. This idea would make that future more difficult to implement. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 227	Posted - 2014.02.03 13:13:00 - [79] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: T2 BPOs aren't just "a thing" in EVE they're a limitless ISK faucet, but more than direct ISK they can shape market forces, define the price and accessibility of goods and even turn the tide larger engagements when one side has more access than the other. They effect build times, resource types, and that's not even touching on the concept of selling BPC copies... The current BPOs are vastly closer in potency to the starter ships in EVE (which are also free an limitless), this can be easily seen by their mechanical proximity to the free starter fits in Dust. A Sver or Raven BPO in Dust is much closer mechanically and meta to a Vexor BPO than to an Ishtar, and even a Vexor has substantially more statistical advantage over a starter ship in EVE than a dragonfly assault has over a free starter fit in Dust. 0.02 ISK Cross Every time T2 BPOs comes up and their effect on the market, it inevitably goes to how they're such an ISK faucet, control markets, etc. The number of T2 BPOs in game is so low compared to the T2 market that, while they might be an ISK faucet, it's just a little drip. The amount of manufacturing you can do straight of a T2 BPO is much less than you could make use it to make T2 BPCs, and that still low compared to the T2 BPC manufacturing you can do through Invention. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1896	Posted - 2014.02.03 19:09:00 - [80] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Cross Atu wrote: T2 BPOs aren't just "a thing" in EVE they're a limitless ISK faucet, but more than direct ISK they can shape market forces, define the price and accessibility of goods and even turn the tide larger engagements when one side has more access than the other. They effect build times, resource types, and that's not even touching on the concept of selling BPC copies... The current BPOs are vastly closer in potency to the starter ships in EVE (which are also free an limitless), this can be easily seen by their mechanical proximity to the free starter fits in Dust. A Sver or Raven BPO in Dust is much closer mechanically and meta to a Vexor BPO than to an Ishtar, and even a Vexor has substantially more statistical advantage over a starter ship in EVE than a dragonfly assault has over a free starter fit in Dust. 0.02 ISK Cross Every time T2 BPOs comes up and their effect on the market, it inevitably goes to how they're such an ISK faucet, control markets, etc. The number of T2 BPOs in game is so low compared to the T2 market that, while they might be an ISK faucet, it's just a little drip. The amount of manufacturing you can do straight off a T2 BPO is much less than you could use it to make T2 BPCs, and that's still low compared to the T2 BPC manufacturing you can do through Invention. All of which is still more in both mechanical power of in game items and raw ISK of transactions/use value than the meta 1 and below BPOs in Dust. I agree that the number of T2 BPOs remaining in EVE is small enough as to not be game breaking but when a copy of an item you possess can be sold for more than some ships, much less other resources, I don't see much of a contention to be made that they aren't of substantial meaningful value, it's not like they're being collected just for novelty (unlike say the fireworks launchers or the crystal ball ). Point being if an item with so much more mechanical and economic potency can exist within the EVE economy and not be game breaking then it's substantively lessor cousin can surly remain in Dust 514 without causing an apocalypse in New Eden. Honestly, while I don't propose it be changed at this stage of the game, Dusts lack of "location" being a meaningful factor in the economy is more of an impediment to economic development and a thriving EVE-Dust link than the BPO 'twins' and PC combined, just think of what it will do to market trends and resource consumption game wide if suddenly EVE players can make Dust assets to sell for ISK on the ground and list those from anywhere for sale to anywhere without having to transport them. Consider what that does to mining and production alone and the ripple effects of it. Obviously this sense of place is a much longer term consideration, and strays a bit from the thread topic, but when we're discussing the New Eden economy in macro, and implications of items on the game(s) in the long term, it is a vital part of the context which cannot simply be overlooked or ignored. Cheers, Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System

DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 222	Posted - 2014.02.04 06:32:00 - [81] - Quote actually, i was all for this until i thought about one thing... we will get bpo's for every item in the game "eventually." we will need bpo's later on when ccp releases all dust items for manufacturing in eve. the issue with bpo's currently is that they provide instant and unlimited use. later on all bpo's will allow for unlimited production runs, but will cost minerals to produce. there's a difference. so in the end, im not sure what swapping bpo's out really accomplishes, as the mechanic will change later
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 214	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:40:00 - [82] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever CCP does there's going to be rage about BPOs. Eventually they'll just have to bite the bullet and do it. If they sweeten the deal somehow then it could be tolerable. This. The problem isn't the loot, the problem is that BPO's allow people to just avoid material loss entirely. Playing with "free gear" is ultimately unsustainable, and will lead to uncontrollable inflation in the long run, breaking the economy. Its really no surprise to see CCP shrinking away from the issuance of new BPO's, just as its no surprise to see a sizeable isk sink built into Faction Warfare. Anyone on board the "more BPO's!" train is setting themselves up for disappointment in the future. What I dont get is why they even made the BPOs in the first. They had to have known they would be a problem. I hope it wasnt to sell more aurum because thats the only reason I put cash into this game
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 524	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:53:00 - [83] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Swapping BPO Suit Race for AUR - Thread Status: Interesting discussion. This is something we'll have a chat to the CPM about. This makes me wish I had bought some non-Amarrian BPOs to have them changed. I contribute nothing.
Teeee Bone C0M8AT V3T3RANS 43	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:05:00 - [84] - Quote Love the idea. Also would like to pay aurum for changing light weapon BPO's to race specific weapons BPO's. I would also like the option to pay more aurum for changing some of my stockpile of assault BPO's to heavy suit BPO's, and scout suit BPO's.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1041	Posted - 2014.02.06 11:16:00 - [85] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: What I dont get is why they even made the BPOs in the first. They had to have known they would be a problem. I hope it wasnt to sell more aurum because thats the only reason I put cash into this game They assumed people would move up from the under-powered STD items, but instead people like me get good efficiency on the cheap. Back in the beta days the stats of ADV/PRO items were much better than STD and that assumption was valid, however due to the imbalance and broken AA they all got nerfed to hell.
ZEN 33 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2014.02.06 13:56:00 - [86] - Quote yes most definitely. i would definitely trade my dragon fly scout BPO for a minmatar scout BPO. the logic loop minmatar scout perferably. i hope CCP would jump on this idea. Minmater Loyalist Freedom Fighter
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 677	Posted - 2014.02.06 15:48:00 - [87] - Quote I would have to buy more AUR, but yes. Shut up and take my AUR! I bought the elite pack because I wanted the BPO's, I bought the Vet pack because I wanted a BPO sniper, I have skinweave suits, and the MAG tribute suits, 2 exile, and 12 dragonfly and toxin SMG. (Wow, just added up how much money I've put into this game...Good thing I get PSN cards for birthdays, anniversarys, and xmas lol) Give me the ability to have a standard BPO of pretty much everything, I'll spend even more of my money on this game. Standard suits are generally just a nice easy way to test out new fits and whatnot anyway without breaking the bank. I don't think it would be game breaking. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 848	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:21:00 - [88] - Quote Yes!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1143	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:52:00 - [89] - Quote I really want this to be implemented as quickly as possible, like 1.8 would be great. Thanx. {:)}{3GÇó>
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 715	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:02:00 - [90] - Quote Trading my Toxin AR into a RR? I can live with that. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1344	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:30:00 - [91] - Quote I'd love to change my raven and dragonfly to the races I use/will use. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1174	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:41:00 - [92] - Quote Can we get this to work for weapon BPOs too? Like AR BPO for a BPO of any other std light weapon. SMG BPO for any std sidearm BPO. Really jus any light weapon BPO for any other light weapon BPO, and side arm for sidearm. {:)}{3GÇó>
Jathniel G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 1003	Posted - 2014.02.11 20:56:00 - [93] - Quote Haven't played in months, but signed in, specifically to answer this question with a resounding "YES".
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 494	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:09:00 - [94] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Wow! Much like. Very yes. I would drop $100 on this without thinking twice. I think I'd pay as much as $10 per BPO to do so. CCP, release this option and hold me to it!
Seeth Mensch Hawkborn Brotherhood IMMORTAL REGIME 142	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:50:00 - [95] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) That would be cool. Frankly, they'd make bank if they just gave us cosmetic changes. But giving me the ability to have my bonuses on my BPOs? yeah, I guess I'm in! Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Nirwanda Vaughns 339	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:29:00 - [96] - Quote the dragonfl's would be good. i'd love to be able to convert the 4 DF scouts i have into one of each race but i think it needs to be limited. having a templar gallente/caldari/minmatar sentinel/assault/logi wouldn't make sense. same as with the covenant stuff. i really wish the covenant assault was made Amarr seeing as its blood raiders. same with the recent quafe assault suit. quafe is a gallente compan so it shoudl be a gallnete assault. am i nitpicking? of course i am but i just enjoy the lore of the game and i'd prefer it if CCP stuck to that rather than the rutt they're in when it comes to continually using the outdated chromo suit stereotypes where all assaults have to be caldari, all scouts have to be gallente ect. Proto and proud!!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:50:00 - [97] - Quote yes this sounds interesting, It'd be cool to see this in the game. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
excillon The Wreckers 248	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:58:00 - [98] - Quote Someone a long time ago proposed bpo manufacture. Like for example: Exile AR plus toxin AR plus Dren AR = bpo GEK. 3 different ARs equal one adv bpo. You could get all kinds if formulas and combos to make new bpos. I wouldnt want to see anything above adv. Though.same goes for suits. The advantage is people would buy aur to make them and if you make it so only aur can be used to buy them in marketplace that will generate more aur sales as well. The other upside is it would reduce the number of bpos out there.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 194	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:09:00 - [99] - Quote Yes please, so many BPO I don't use.
Kaan Raskil raskil tribe 4	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:16:00 - [100] - Quote I'd be willing to pay AUR to change my dropsuit BPOs into Minmatar variants. - 'Dren' Assault - 'Dren' Sentinel - 'Dren' Scout - 'Covenant' Assault -> Angel Cartel variant (Minmatar) - 'Dragonfly' Assault Templar gear shouldn't be changable.

Kaan Raskil raskil tribe 4	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:17:00 - [101] - Quote excillon wrote: Someone a long time ago proposed bpo manufacture. Like for example: Exile AR plus toxin AR plus Dren AR = bpo GEK. 3 different ARs equal one adv bpo. You could get all kinds if formulas and combos to make new bpos. I wouldnt want to see anything above adv. Though.same goes for suits. The advantage is people would buy aur to make them and if you make it so only aur can be used to buy them in marketplace that will generate more aur sales as well. The other upside is it would reduce the number of bpos out there. WAY too broken to happen.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3444	Posted - 2014.02.17 09:06:00 - [102] - Quote Yes. It highlights the fact that the BPO era existed prior to the any sort of variety in suits, and it would be something I'd look for. I'd also like a service to change player race/starting race/starter BPOs... they're even crappier than most of the BPOs we might've purchased, but any of us pre-launch people might've picked a race before it "mattered" or had any impact in the game (pre-racial starters). The largest choice I made early on was the one that got me a "class" BPO, and I ended up trading that for a race I wasn't really into with no easy option to replace the class or change race. My Gallente ones aren't even the worst (that'd be Amarr), but just for consistency I wish could change my background now. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 580	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:50:00 - [103] - Quote Yes. I would definitely support this. Please extend this idea into vehicles as well. There are 3x Caldari LAV BPOs (Guristas, Ishukone, Blood Raider) that were available from various sources, but NO Gallente LAV BPOs. Sucks for those mercs who specced into armor vehicles, yet have a stable full of shield ones. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 112	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:49:00 - [104] - Quote I already spend enough money. I am not spending any more monday until the game improves.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1550	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:19:00 - [105] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) In a Heartbeat
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3603	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:34:00 - [106] - Quote Did this wind up getting pitched, sir? I still like the idea of replacing my "convenant" suit with an Amarr version like a Blood Raider would actually be using... Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 537	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:42:00 - [107] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I already spend enough money. I am not spending any more monday until the game improves. While I would welcome this idea, I have to agree with T-1000 here. A few weeks back I finally ran out of SP Boosters and am not willing to spend any more money until some much-needed features are implemented and the long-standing bugs are fixed. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Aerius Corius FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 30	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:55:00 - [108] - Quote Great way for CCP to make some cash on a non-game breaking idea. Sure, why not? +1 That guy you killed with 0% shields? Yeah, I sniped him - go team. Oh, you didn't know...hmm. *CCP: Display Assists!!!
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y 33	Posted - 2014.02.28 06:33:00 - [109] - Quote + 1 True Caldari Assault forget to tell you, I left some remotes on your tank....
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 98	Posted - 2014.02.28 06:58:00 - [110] - Quote No, I would be angry that they are offering this, but not offering new blueprints. I always regretted buying the $20 and $50 packs instead of skipping both and buying the 'Dren' $100 pack, and this would just rub salt in old wounds. And screw the Eve economy. We're smaller than ants to them. We're like bacteria, they don't even notice us. bamboo x (Federation Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle) you

NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 225	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:15:00 - [111] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) Dragonfly is caldari FYI. Btw, pc locking has wrecked the economy far worse then the bpos ever will. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 537	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:42:00 - [112] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Dragonfly is caldari FYI. No, the Dragonfly Scout is Gallente, the Dragonfly Assault is Caldari, so OP is correct when he mentions swapping a Dragonfly Scout for a Caldari Scout BPO. When those suits came out it was; Gallente = Scout, Caldari = Assault, Minmatar = Logi, Amarr = Heavy, those were the only 4 options available. NextDark Knight wrote: Btw, pc locking has wrecked the economy far worse then the bpos ever will. ^ Yep. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3647	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:20:00 - [113] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Yes. I would definitely support this. Please extend this idea into vehicles as well. There are 3x Caldari LAV BPOs (Guristas, Ishukone, Blood Raider) that were available from various sources, but NO Gallente LAV BPOs. Sucks for those mercs who specced into armor vehicles, yet have a stable full of shield ones. Realistically, the "Blood Raider" LAV should probably be Amarr, like Blood Raider vehicles are in EVE. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1771	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:33:00 - [114] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: So, my fellow nerds. A simple question : Would you pay Aurum in order to change the racial type of one of your existing BPO's? (IE: Change a Dragonfly Scout BPO to a Caldari suit instead of a gallente?) Obvious Disclaimer : This is something I want to pitch to CCP but want to make sure people would buy it first. Not only this, but it's very possible that this would be very hard to implement and CCP may not have the time to do this anytime soon (if at all) I would "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1947	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:53:00 - [115] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Btw, pc locking has wrecked the economy far worse then the bpos ever will. Quoted for truth. SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3846	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:57:00 - [116] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Did this wind up getting pitched, sir? I still like the idea of replacing my "convenant" suit with an Amarr version like a Blood Raider would actually be using... THAT IS THE AWESOMEST IDEA EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3698	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:27:00 - [117] - Quote I wouldn't do this CCP... unless you want people to pay you. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Kelrie Nae'bre not in a corporation 229	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:10:00 - [118] - Quote I'd be down to trade a Dragonfly for an Amarr Scout suit... even if the suit is as terribad as it seems to be. You know, for consistency.
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:46:00 - [119] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources. I bought an elite pack to try all the roles at basic levels. If they change them how you've suggested, then I'd want several colours, not just a $100 brown color. Also, do you have an elite pack? Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3815	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:14:00 - [120] - Quote The mechanics on this aren't entirely clear to me. Would a ported Covenant Assault suit to Amarr be all red? That would be very cool (white stripes on Assaults are kinda goofy). On the other hand, I'm not sure if I'd want every ported Dren thing to be brown, or all Dragonfly stuff to have that color pattern (which would look bizarre on Amarr). Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.

Belendur Balfour Silver Gryphons Inc DARKSTAR ARMY 21	Posted - 2014.03.19 22:27:00 - [121] - Quote Yes, I would pay AURUM to change BPO race, this is something I and my corp members have wanted to be able to do for quite a while
Daven Kithka Silver Gryphons Inc DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2014.03.19 22:56:00 - [122] - Quote I would pay ISK/AUR to be able to switch my BPO's to other races. Im mostly using Caldari suits/weapons and have several Gallente BPO's id love to switch
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2441	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:37:00 - [123] - Quote Hell yes I would. Templar scout FTW! And I am quite sure it has been mentioned but the obvious solution to the BPO "problem" is manufacturing. You can make suits with them for much less than buying a new one (with isk or with some type of resource you get from salvage or PC districts). You can then sell or use those suits. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 47	Posted - 2014.03.20 04:31:00 - [124] - Quote this has already been posted on this forum. My answer is yes i would like to change the race of my BPO's no i shouldnt have to pay aur for that because I believe i should of had the option to choose a races BPO weapon drop suit LAV. would spend a little aur maybe 500 or less if it became an option. I would buy more AUR to get the rest of the militia BPO's however. suggest it has a annual sale when the game was launched or some thing for that month I could give you 10 reason why the Dust team cant get the Amarr tank style right but they are all out of care.
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 48	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:33:00 - [125] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'd prefer even more to pay to change my racial avatar and starting BPO suits. But yeah, would be neat to convert some of the prize stuff I don't use into something valuable. I'm convinced though that the longterm solution here isn't as much to shuffle around existing assets as it is to fully convert our current BPO's into a skin that could be applied to consumable gear. Meaning if I've got a Dren BPO skin, than I use it to apply the unique color scheme to my medium suits that I use up in combat. This would preserve the value that players have around unique (and renewable) colored suits, while still addressing CCP's design problems with existing "bottomless" gear sources. Sorry but i paid real money for my BPO's and they need to stay has they are has the saying goes pandora's box has been opened there is no undoing it. Adding skins to the market is a good idea to change things up I would by them to cover up the ugly dren gear. now BPO's they can bring back are Militia versions of all the infantry weapons modules and suits has well as the vehicle modules. when or if the player market even opens up and the eve pilots can start making gear its probably not going to be militia gear why not let players buy a small piece of the game you could even put it in a pack on the playstation market has a $30 account upgrade. I could give you 10 reason why the Dust team cant get the Amarr tank style right but they are all out of care.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 61	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:40:00 - [126] - Quote HELL YEA! I AM WILLING TO PAY AURUM TO CHANGE MY AR INTO A ASCR (Assault Scrambler Rifle) Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 546	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:06:00 - [127] - Quote tander09 wrote: HELL YEA! I AM WILLING TO PAY AURUM TO CHANGE MY AR INTO A ASCR (Assault Scrambler Rifle) LOL, it would only be a normal SCR - the ASCR is not a level 1 weapon. Nice try. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 151	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:17:00 - [128] - Quote It would interesting to be able to switch to other ravial dropsuit, but I am not sure if CCP would be willing to spend resources coding such system Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE


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