Of course you all want tanks nerfed. What's the point of these threads if they're not to have tanks nerfed? And again, you have/had access to tanks, yet still had to use AV to destroy other vehicles, because you were so bad in your own tank. You should see it from our side before going on an antitank crusade.

This just in, even though a full salvo (without Dmods) pops every single dropship i've encountered, its horrible at killing them because I can only keep them at bay for 250-300m and not 600m.

Railgun is an awful gameplay decision. It has no counter play. its the best in CQC, the best at range, and its easy as heck to snipe infantry to boot.

I knew as soon as I saw the first picture that showed railgun damage that no HAV will have anything but a railgun.

And look at where we are.

2555 shield

Adv heavy shield extender
Complex shield hardenee
Complex booster
2 or 3 shotted and takes slightly less time to kill than a hardened sica, and if you hit a python without a hardener you will 2 shot it.
I know what im doing railkiddie.

Flak cannons confirmed.

there was no bitching about railguns before swarms and forges were nerfed. people just switch to what is most effective.

and NO, expecting multiple infantry to take time out from fighting a whole team of enemy infantry and coordinate perfectly in expensive gear to take down your lone wolfing spawn camping kill farming DS is not an answer.

One AV should be able to force off a DS, after all they're sacrificing 90% of their effectiveness as an infantry unit and making themselves incredibly vulnerable to enemy infantry as well as becoming #1 kill priority to the vehicle(s) they are trying to destroy.

PS tanks aint god mode, at long range use cover - you may need to use the TEAMWORK that you so insist AV must use - IE have tank spotter looking at the map.

At short to mid range a DS can fly faster and higher than a railgun can track.

Of course you all want tanks nerfed. What's the point of these threads if they're not to have tanks nerfed? And again, you have/had access to tanks, yet still had to use AV to destroy other vehicles, because you were so bad in your own tank. You should see it from our side before going on an antitank crusade.

Neither dropships or railguns need major changes. But both need minor changes.

I would suggest:

20% nerf to current railgun damage.
25% buff to overall dropship HP across both STD and ADS.
No change to tank HP.

This should make dropships last 4-5 shots, enough time for an experienced pilot to escape, but still not long enough for them to be unkillable. However it is not long enough for an amateur to escape. It also makes tanks more resilient to railguns, making tank v tank last longer.

When it comes to the power of dropships, since 1.7 dropped, I have yet to be killed by one while on the ground (aside from myself of course). Maybe thats because as a pilot I know how to evade, but if you understand how to strafe, only the very best pilots will get you.

The redline could do with tweaks too, but nothing extreme.

I dont believe tanks need to be changed.its clear the issue is redline. There is no risk. There are a lot of matches where im at the edge of the redline just staring at 3 rail tanks BEHIND the MCC just firing away. I can not do anything. There is no risk. Nothing can hurt them. But yet they can hurt anything. Explain to me how that is balanced? Where is the risk vs reward?

Just change the range and RoF slightly.

Our maps are too small to utilize 600m (no drop off, I might add) with out redline abuse. Not only to mention that with that range and the angle of the gun, rails can shoot very high into the air into a dropship's "safe height." Reduce the range to 350m effective range (100% damage) with a steep damage curve to 450m at 20% damage or so. Cap it any further.

you couldn't hit the broad side of a Dropship and 400m let alone 600m

Judge, I like you and I like what you do with your videos for the community but...

Not content with the general non-consensus in your other thread so you decide to create a new one?
The only thing I will concede is that the red line is the bane of your problems. Would you agree?

Those rail tanks can only hit you when you are at a low angle and out at range, once you come in close you can barrage them to death should you so desire.

you couldn't hit the broad side of a Dropship and 400m let alone 600m

I am disappoint CCP.

Rail tanks have made dropships almost unusable and ruined strategic play for real tankers and LAV specialists. While we understand that fixing things takes time, and that resources are limited there are some issues that are a problem and some that are so bad that the game is broken. Rail tanks fall into the latter. They ruin every single match. So this is a simple request. Here it is below :

CCP please acknowledge that rails need work. Tell us in this thread that you have heard our complaints. No need to say what you will do or when you will do it, Just let us know you hear our voices.

I'll acknowledge bro.......

That nothing else really packs the required punch to dispatch you permanently in the short amount of time one has before you pick up speed and fly away. And since we don't have a reward for simply chasing your ass away, your permanent demise is the only result any of us here really care about. That being the case, people will do what has the best chance of killing you.


You have my condolences but no one's gonna stop.

[quote=Shiruba Ryou][quote=Judge Rhadamanthus]
NO ONE FREAKING CARES THAT RAILS CAN TAKE OUT DROPSHIPS.

Get it through your heads people, the problem is that rails have rediculous range, capable of denying whole maps to dropships and other vehicles from the redline. That combined with high damage, high RoF for its class, and high accuracy make redline rail snipers OP, map-denying, untouchable behemoths that are ruining the game for vehicles, dropships especially.

All I'm asking for (not speaking for everyone) is an effective range nerf to 350m, with a sharp dropoff range out to 450m max. This is more than enough range to keep at a distance (and yes, you can still hit dropships engaging your team at this distance) and prevents redline abuse.

I OHKO'd a Python at 489m recently. Used a rail, don't remember popping anything but one ADS before I swapped to blasters. The thing with ADS is that in order to actually hit something, they need to make themselves relatively easy to hit. Shield ADS are often OHKOs without a hardener. Armor ADS are usually 2HKO.

Often the only way it's possible to get an angle on a dropship (including its escape route) is to head back to the redline; for some reason the maps are designed with the largest hills in the safest locations.
The hills in Like Harvest and Manus Peak are good examples of what I mean; the maps are narrow enough that you start to have difficulties if you've not maximised your firing angle.
And because of all this, OHKO is important, because otherwise I might not get a second shot.



But at 500m it has to be OHKO or you're wasting your time.

You already do..... Oh.....I get it now, you wanna Hover with a MCRU & never take Damage. LOL.....just....lol. & "No Cover"??? Get F**KING Gud Scrub.

Lol. You want me to get good? No problem, I will be getting better as time goes on.

What's your issue with that idea? We cant shoot anyone from the height ceiling which is less than what you can do cowering in the redline. MCRU's don't give any rewards and I'm pretty sure this would make it so we can drop off/pick up our infantry as transports rather than free kills. If you think there's lots of cover in the sky then perhaps you can point out where, all we really have are towers, buildings, and the MCC.

And if you're incapable of going up a small hill to angle at the sky you're a worse rail tanker then 1/2 the militia scrub berries.

The AV vs tank thing you said you had more skill points invested so you should be OP. Well we have more invested than you so we should be at least viable. You said you shouldn't lose your tank to something that cost less sp to get than your tank well it's not even 1/8 the sp to get into a standard tank as it is to get into an assault dropship while being cheaper isk wise. Your rail/blaster large turrest cost less sp than my small missile. Your faster than my dropship unless I'm using my after burners and even then if you just use nitro you're back there. You have nearly 4 times the hp, more modules, more killing potential, fitting options and cover yet you're afraid to grow a pair and leave your crutch ass redline. CCP bent over backwards to give you tankers every thing you asked for and you're upset about an idea that does nothing but lowers the time you can have your free kills and allows us to do our actual roles? ******* lame.