dude id suggest having a super cheap fit (vipers are perfectly good enough) for the first dropship per game..... if it survives ok-ish then trade it in for an assault dropship later on,,,, if you bring the assault dropship out at the beginning of a battle you will be virtually 100% guaranteed to lose it

ADS are only viable to fly in occasional matches (especially when you;re just starting out with them and the more sensitive control style/complications with aiming)..... make sure the conditions are right before you bring it out.... otherwise that ISK will flutter away before you know it

they are by far the most awesome thing in the game when you get used to them and how to evade the difficulties (it's possible to fit out the ADS to withstand the majority of hits,,, just forget about putting the 2nd and 3rd turrets on it)


im not so sure the need to be wise about as and when you bring a vehicle out proves there's a broken mechanic,,, also (i'm not saying you;ve done this but more to people in general)..... MOST PILOTS DONT KNOW FOR SURE WHAT KILLED THEM.... its usually co-ordinated tank strikes or railguns turrets,,,, but since you can jump out the ship before it blows you never see what killed you because it records as a suicide.....

the vehicle balance here is only slightly off,,, seems everyones in agreement about the redline issue,,, and once thats sorted (as well as damage mods) then it'll be a lot 'fairer' for everyone

Too much of this dropship complaining seems like pilots trying to make the ships a 1-man killing machine..... they're not designed for that,,, stop trying to turn them into that and enjoy what the ships are right now,,,, they are awesome fun and with the exception of a few pesky railguns they can be incredibly effective

Stop using Vocabulary to feign relevance by attempting to mask your ignorance...... The bulk of what you stated is utter rubbish, & the BOLD statement most of all....... FFS you have no place in Vehicle Balancing Discussio, GTFO.


As for everyone else......NOBODY, not F**KING 1 of you, has taken into account that there is no ADS Spam. Get 3 or more "Birds" in the air & then F**KING talk. An Experienced Pilot in a PROPERLY fit Dropship can survive 3-4 2x Damage Modded ADV Rail Shots from a SINGLE Source. You are being Focus Fired.....get over it. As for the 3x Damage Modded Gunnlogi with a Proto Rail.....1-2 Rail Shots & they go POOF. Without Resistances they are basically a "Genji Sword", High Alpha w/ Low Constitution.

The Redline is often the ONLY area of the Map, with the exception of the opposite East/West side (Assuming the Dropship is not flying Mid-Field), that a Rail can even get a bead on a Dropship. The Rail's Range is not Infinite...... But w/e the hell CCP decides to Break.......errrr....."Tweak" matters not much to me. I Adapt & Overcome, this is a proven FACT.

TL;DR: Get Gud, & IWS = Duncecap King

nope as a fan of flying dropships, I have no issue with rail tanks ability to swat DS out of the air. I do have a problem with redline rail tanks but nerfing rails is not the correct fix for that.

You must be unaware of your Damage Sources. Also, you're not taking into account that Shield & Armor Vehicles act differently. Example: Shield as Main HP means if you were not Pre-Hardened you will die fast. Armor as Main HP means you have 1 hit of leeway before your Main HP takes a considerable hit, allowing more time to HTFU & GTFO. I personally watched my 4 2x Damage Modded ADV Rail Shots get shrugged off by a Shield ADS, & it was back @ Full HP by the time I readjusted & cooled down on Heat Build-up. Lastly.....as per your statement in BOLD, you are doing it wrong..... HP Stacking is trash compared to Hardening. L2P KthxBAI

2555 shield

Adv heavy shield extender
Complex shield hardenee
Complex booster
2 or 3 shotted and takes slightly less time to kill than a hardened sica, and if you hit a python without a hardener you will 2 shot it.
I know what im doing railkiddie.

I am disappoint CCP.

Lol. You want me to get good? No problem, I will be getting better as time goes on.

What's your issue with that idea? We cant shoot anyone from the height ceiling which is less than what you can do cowering in the redline. MCRU's don't give any rewards and I'm pretty sure this would make it so we can drop off/pick up our infantry as transports rather than free kills. If you think there's lots of cover in the sky then perhaps you can point out where, all we really have are towers, buildings, and the MCC.

And if you're incapable of going up a small hill to angle at the sky you're a worse rail tanker then 1/2 the militia scrub berries.

The AV vs tank thing you said you had more skill points invested so you should be OP. Well we have more invested than you so we should be at least viable. You said you shouldn't lose your tank to something that cost less sp to get than your tank well it's not even 1/8 the sp to get into a standard tank as it is to get into an assault dropship while being cheaper isk wise. Your rail/blaster large turrest cost less sp than my small missile. Your faster than my dropship unless I'm using my after burners and even then if you just use nitro you're back there. You have nearly 4 times the hp, more modules, more killing potential, fitting options and cover yet you're afraid to grow a pair and leave your crutch ass redline. CCP bent over backwards to give you tankers every thing you asked for and you're upset about an idea that does nothing but lowers the time you can have your free kills and allows us to do our actual roles? ******* lame.

whats your fit
mine
Adv heavy shied extender
Pro Hardener
Adv booster