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Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 136	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:09:00 - [31] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim. I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile. It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later. About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge). It's a game. Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:53:00 - [32] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim. I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile. It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later. About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge). It's a game. Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. You would not. Lauching a projectile via a "Rail" mechanism involves complex electro-magnetic math where the forward force is generated from at a perpendicular angle and NOT from behind the projectile. I don't explain physics on forums but I'll try to summarize it in a sentence. The force applied is electro-magnetic and the "recoil" would happen on the projectile in the reverse direction and thus a perpendicular force would have a perpindicular recoil. In addition, Newtonian Physics applies to mostly gravity and not thermodynamics, electro-magnetism, and quantum physics. Newtonian physics is also just algebra where as modern spacetime and gravity physics is calculus. Go talk with your physics teacher if you have one.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 138	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:18:00 - [33] - Quote I think you will need to talk with yours. The force to move the projectile is from the Lorentz force which is also forcing the rails apart. The Lorentz force acts on the particle perpendicular to the field. The momentum change is experienced by both the particle and the plate generating the field. Lorentz force is how cathode ray tubes (old TVs) and how TIMS (Thermal Ionization Mass Spectrometers) work (I've used TIMS analyzing yellow cake isotopes for the natural OKLO nuclear reactor). So the magnetic field is perpendicular, the momentum is not. And it gets applied to both the projectile and the railgun. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:45:00 - [34] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: I think you will need to talk with yours. The force to move the projectile is from the Lorentz force which is also forcing the rails apart. The Lorentz force acts on the particle perpendicular to the field. The momentum change is experienced by both the particle and the plate generating the field. Lorentz force is how cathode ray tubes (old TVs) and how TIMS (Thermal Ionization Mass Spectrometers) work (I've used TIMS analyzing yellow cake isotopes for the natural OKLO nuclear reactor). So the magnetic field is perpendicular, the momentum is not. And it gets applied to both the projectile and the railgun. You are right, there will be recoil with the launcher if using modern rail tech. But your explanation is like a copy and paste from nonsense on the web. The only reason I know there is recoil now is because I looked on youtube and there is recoil. I have the mindset of, what was, the traditional rail where a single rod would be launched using perpendicularly applied force as opposed to the modern way where it is now applied in the back at the fork tail thing. This conversation has sparked my interest though and I will now be looking into it and the math...since the math is my favorite part.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 228	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:50:00 - [35] - Quote Well I'm pretty sure that the hip fire cross hairs in this game don't work as intended. I find most rounds follow directly in the center of the cross hairs. Sooo does it matter? Rail rifle is just powerful which makes it good in CQC. Same deal with the CR
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 143	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:12:00 - [36] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Tch Tch wrote: I think you will need to talk with yours. The force to move the projectile is from the Lorentz force which is also forcing the rails apart. The Lorentz force acts on the particle perpendicular to the field. The momentum change is experienced by both the particle and the plate generating the field. Lorentz force is how cathode ray tubes (old TVs) and how TIMS (Thermal Ionization Mass Spectrometers) work (I've used TIMS analyzing yellow cake isotopes for the natural OKLO nuclear reactor). So the magnetic field is perpendicular, the momentum is not. And it gets applied to both the projectile and the railgun. You are right, there will be recoil with the launcher if using modern rail tech. But your explanation is like a copy and paste from nonsense on the web. The only reason I know there is recoil now is because I looked on youtube and there is recoil. I have the mindset of, what was, the traditional rail where a single rod would be launched using perpendicularly applied force as opposed to the modern way where it is now applied in the back at the fork tail thing. This conversation has sparked my interest though and I will now be looking into it and the math...since the math is my favorite part. Wikipedia is pretty good for physical sciences and at the apex of that is physics Lorentz equation: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force How stuff works is pretty good (minus the ads) Railgun: http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun1.htm And whilst it is about twenty years since I did Faraday's equations, tensor's, Schrodingers Equation (try doing triple integral a in a magnetic field... Sure it explains a sodium doublet, but try doing it). I think my basic physics understanding helps sift which sites are more useful to get information from. That and I've been following the US Navy railgun research on Ars Technica. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3619	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:14:00 - [37] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. Shouldnt ALL Rifles have terrible hipfire? At least compared to SMG's and Shotguns? GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:39:00 - [38] - Quote appreciate the contributions from u two scholars but I think we can all agree balance > realism. gr8 hipfire has made the RR a more powerful version of the tac ar............we all know how that ended.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3960	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:50:00 - [39] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. It should, and so should the Scrambler Rifle (that's coming from a Scrambler Rifle user >_>). Longer range weapons such as these should not be as effective as they are in CQC, otherwise they are not only too good at their job, but they outclass the weapons that are supposed to preform better in certain circumstances. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3621	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:55:00 - [40] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. It should, and so should the Scrambler Rifle (that's coming from a Scrambler Rifle user >_>). Longer range weapons such as these should not be as effective as they are in CQC, otherwise they are not only too good at their job, but they outclass the weapons that are supposed to preform better in certain circumstances. People Crying about RR and SCR are just not neutral enough to be taken seriously. I mean,talking about ranges and damages and effectiveness. You all DO know the ACR hits LONGER than an AR,faster than an SMG,has perfect Hipfire and enough bullets to drop the Heaviest of Heavys? IMO, the ACR is the most powerful of all rifles,And you dont see me QQ about it. NON ''RIFLE'' weapons need a boost.Specially Shotguns,nova Knives and Mass drivers.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 549	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:56:00 - [41] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. It should, and so should the Scrambler Rifle (that's coming from a Scrambler Rifle user >_>). Longer range weapons such as these should not be as effective as they are in CQC, otherwise they are not only too good at their job, but they outclass the weapons that are supposed to preform better in certain circumstances. ^this. we dont envy CCP for having to crunch all the considerable data in this game but when they decided to recreate new eden they agreed to have weapons and their racial variants display their particular traits. might be a good idea 2 slow down the ADS and reduced hipfire accuracy on the ScR too.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3962	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:58:00 - [42] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: People Crying about RR and SCR are just not neutral enough to be taken seriously. I mean,talking about ranges and damages and effectiveness. You all DO know the ACR hits LONGER than an AR,faster than an SMG,has perfect Hipfire and enough bullets to drop the Heaviest of Heavys? IMO, the ACR is the most powerful of all rifles,And you dont see me QQ about it. NON ''RIFLE'' weapons need a boost.Specially Shotguns,nova Knives and Mass drivers.... All Rifles are OP Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 687	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:04:00 - [43] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim. I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile. It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later. About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge). It's a game. Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. That's not accurate. I helped work on some actual railgun projects previously and one of the primary advantages is that they have essentially no recoil at all which is an advantage in target tracking and 2nd shot engagement. Rail guns impel the projectile by using magnetic coils or rails actived in sucession to hyper accelerate a kinetic penetrator. Normal projectile firearms have a recoil because their is a essentially a controlled explosion inside the weapon that powers the projectile downrange. The larger caliber / higher power round has a proportionally larger "explosion" thus creating the higher level of recoil. "Third star to the right...straight ahead 'till morning."
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1040	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:10:00 - [44] - Quote You guys are aware that if you increase the spread of the rr when hip fired, you'll actually make it better, right!?view mean, that's what happened to the hmg. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 687	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:12:00 - [45] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Tch Tch wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim. I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile. It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later. About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge). It's a game. Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. You would not. Lauching a projectile via a "Rail" mechanism involves complex electro-magnetic math where the forward force is generated from at a perpendicular angle and NOT from behind the projectile. I don't explain physics on forums but I'll try to summarize it in a sentence. The force applied is electro-magnetic and the "recoil" would happen on the projectile in the reverse direction and thus a perpendicular force would have a perpindicular recoil. In addition, Newtonian Physics applies to mostly gravity and not thermodynamics, electro-magnetism, and quantum physics. Newtonian physics is also just algebra where as modern spacetime and gravity physics is calculus. Go talk with your physics teacher if you have one. EDIT: Perpendicular to the axis in which you are aiming the projectile. You are partially correct. A single is projectile is normally impelled by a series of rings or rails along the barrel that are actived in sequential order which effectively accelerates the projectile to terminal velocity by "passing" the projective from ring to ring with increasine velocity. If it were were single magnetic impulsion then your that invovled repellent magentic force there would be some validity to your theory. To my knowledge, none the functional rail systems use anything remote like that kind of system. "Third star to the right...straight ahead 'till morning."
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3625	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:14:00 - [46] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: People Crying about RR and SCR are just not neutral enough to be taken seriously. I mean,talking about ranges and damages and effectiveness. You all DO know the ACR hits LONGER than an AR,faster than an SMG,has perfect Hipfire and enough bullets to drop the Heaviest of Heavys? IMO, the ACR is the most powerful of all rifles,And you dont see me QQ about it. NON ''RIFLE'' weapons need a boost.Specially Shotguns,nova Knives and Mass drivers.... All Rifles are OP They are NOT Overpowered. They are Balanced. Its the OTHER weapons that are just Under powered,making rifles,seem OP. :3 GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2708	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:24:00 - [47] - Quote MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle is related in operation to Rail Rifle MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle now has the same range as the standard Assault Rifle. It can't be considered CQC anymore although it excels at CQC. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/rangeprofiles.jpg MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle hipfire is very tight and thus due to relation Rail Rifle has tight spread. It wouldn't make sense for a long range weapon to have lots of dispersion otherwise it would not be able to hit things at long range. You realize that hipfire does not change the range of the weapon so why would it's effectiveness at range be changed by hipfire? You may answer accuracy but nothing really changes about the rifle other than control. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3282	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:32:00 - [48] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle is related in operation to Rail Rifle MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle now has the same range as the standard Assault Rifle. It can't be considered CQC anymore although it excels at CQC. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/rangeprofiles.jpg MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle hipfire is very tight and thus due to relation Rail Rifle has tight spread. It wouldn't make sense for a long range weapon to have lots of dispersion otherwise it would not be able to hit things at long range. You realize that hipfire does not change the range of the weapon so why would it's effectiveness at range be changed by hipfire? You may answer accuracy but nothing really changes about the rifle other than control. Mentioning the BAR still gets me emotional. I just can't deal with this now You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2710	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:34:00 - [49] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle is related in operation to Rail Rifle MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle now has the same range as the standard Assault Rifle. It can't be considered CQC anymore although it excels at CQC. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/rangeprofiles.jpg MOTHERFUCKING FACT Breach Assault Rifle hipfire is very tight and thus due to relation Rail Rifle has tight spread. It wouldn't make sense for a long range weapon to have lots of dispersion otherwise it would not be able to hit things at long range. You realize that hipfire does not change the range of the weapon so why would it's effectiveness at range be changed by hipfire? You may answer accuracy but nothing really changes about the rifle other than control. Mentioning the BAR still gets me emotional. I just can't deal with this now Why? I've actually seen its use amongst others skyrocket. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1340	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:44:00 - [50] - Quote WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A RIFLE THAT HAS THE MOST RANGE AND A STARTING 423 DPS ALSO HAVE BAD HIPFIRE??? THAT'S NOT BALANCE! The rail is supposed to have the best of EVERYTHING! And you're supposed to use it with a Heavy Dropsuit! Its not the most used gun right now for nothing! Its difficult to use at all ranges and barely does any damage. This thread is dismissed as ridiculous! Fish in a bucket!

Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 147	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:49:00 - [51] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Tch Tch wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim. I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile. It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later. About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge). It's a game. Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. That's not accurate. I helped work on some actual railgun projects previously and one of the primary advantages is that they have essentially no recoil at all which is an advantage in target tracking and 2nd shot engagement. Rail guns impel the projectile by using magnetic coils or rails actived in sucession to hyper accelerate a kinetic penetrator. Normal projectile firearms have a recoil because their is a essentially a controlled explosion inside the weapon that powers the projectile downrange. The larger caliber / higher power round has a proportionally larger "explosion" thus creating the higher level of recoil. http://www.utexas.edu/research/cem/IEEE/PR%2052%20Weldon%20Publications.pdf Conservation of Momentum or "Why Homer won't allow perputal motion machines in his house." Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1340	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:53:00 - [52] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. No. At the contrary it's supposed to be the weapon with the best hip fire of all rifles. (See the "breach" descriptions of AR.) Rail rifle is the Breach Version of rifles. => Low ROF and bigger recoil but really good hip-fire pretty long range and average damage. The DPS on a RR starts at 423 the DPS on a Breach AR starts at 340 Difference of 83 dps in favor of the rail rifle and it has twice the effective range. You can stop talking now. Fish in a bucket!
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3628	Posted - 2014.01.16 05:13:00 - [53] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. No. At the contrary it's supposed to be the weapon with the best hip fire of all rifles. (See the "breach" descriptions of AR.) Rail rifle is the Breach Version of rifles. => Low ROF and bigger recoil but really good hip-fire pretty long range and average damage. The DPS on a RR starts at 423 the DPS on a Breach AR starts at 340 Difference of 83 dps in favor of the rail rifle and it has twice the effective range. You can stop talking now. The Breach AR IS after all, a bad copy of the RR.so .....(same as the TAC to the SCR RIFLE and the BRST AR to the Combat rifle) I'd say its fine. (I actually use the Breach AR too : / )(And SG and SMG's WTH is wrong with me...?) GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1341	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:13:00 - [54] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 8213 wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. No. At the contrary it's supposed to be the weapon with the best hip fire of all rifles. (See the "breach" descriptions of AR.) Rail rifle is the Breach Version of rifles. => Low ROF and bigger recoil but really good hip-fire pretty long range and average damage. The DPS on a RR starts at 423 the DPS on a Breach AR starts at 340 Difference of 83 dps in favor of the rail rifle and it has twice the effective range. You can stop talking now. The Breach AR IS after all, a bad copy of the RR.so .....(same as the TAC to the SCR RIFLE and the BRST AR to the Combat rifle) I'd say its fine. (I actually use the Breach AR too : / )(And SG and SMG's WTH is wrong with me...?) It'd be fine if it didn't have a 200m effective range. It's DPS plus its profeciency at Far, medium and short range is called unbalanced. Its only 17dps less than the AssaultCR. A weapon can't have it all. That's called unbalanced and niche system. Fish in a bucket!
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1940	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:14:00 - [55] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. No. At the contrary it's supposed to be the weapon with the best hip fire of all rifles. (See the "breach" descriptions of AR.) Rail rifle is the Breach Version of rifles. => Low ROF and bigger recoil but really good hip-fire pretty crap range and average damage. FTFY All other breach weapons have terrible range. This is the problem of the RR. It has all the benefits of Breach weapons, and yet lacks the range weakness. SOURCE: Try taking on targets at STD AR range with a Breach AR. Talk about damage dropoff. Apparently Breach AR used to have much more range. Then it had the sht nerfed out of it. I WONDER WHY! Nothing says "F*K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 432	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:42:00 - [56] - Quote Sholdnt the AR the best hipfire of the rifles and yet it's garbarge. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 540	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:47:00 - [57] - Quote The thing is that everyone always forgets is if you increase the hipfire it turns into a spray and pray weapon and honestly I wouldn't mind you increasing dispersion on hip fire. I won't have to aim any more just shoot till your dead We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 12	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:48:00 - [58] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Tch Tch wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim. I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile. It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later. About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge). It's a game. Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. You would not. Lauching a projectile via a "Rail" mechanism involves complex electro-magnetic math where the forward force is generated from at a perpendicular angle and NOT from behind the projectile. I don't explain physics on forums but I'll try to summarize it in a sentence. The force applied is electro-magnetic and the "recoil" would happen on the projectile in the reverse direction and thus a perpendicular force would have a perpindicular recoil. In addition, Newtonian Physics applies to mostly gravity and not thermodynamics, electro-magnetism, and quantum physics. Newtonian physics is also just algebra where as modern spacetime and gravity physics is calculus. Go talk with your physics teacher if you have one. EDIT: Perpendicular to the axis in which you are aiming the projectile. You are partially correct. A single is projectile is normally impelled by a series of rings or rails along the barrel that are actived in sequential order which effectively accelerates the projectile to terminal velocity by "passing" the projective from ring to ring with increasine velocity. If it were were single magnetic impulsion then your that invovled repellent magentic force there would be some validity to your theory. To my knowledge, none the functional rail systems use anything remote like that kind of system. I'm with JL on this one. CCP calls systems RIFLES when they are actually GUNS. The feet per second that these rounds are traveling at, if rifle twist @ 1:10 the round would have been spun up to over 500,000 RPM- they would disintegrate in flight. In gun theory a plasma envelope would help in aero stability, and using light weight metal impregnated ceramic pellets would work in a coil gun creating the kinetic energy needed. The velocity that most of DUST's weapons produce infer the the breach psi would have to be was over 150,000 psi, making the light weapons very heavy due to barrel weight. ya ya invisible aluminium ....lol! Peace/out-from sunny Tampa
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 547	Posted - 2014.01.16 09:33:00 - [59] - Quote By definition breach weaponry has a lower DPS. However a standard RR has similar(if not better) DPS than a gal ar. Change that or give it sniper rifle level recoil. Long range weapons do high alpha yes, but pound for pound do less DPS than a combination of lighter weaponry. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 540	Posted - 2014.01.16 10:33:00 - [60] - Quote It's like the forge gun all over again let's all just scream nerf till its useless yea because ccp listens. When they here nerf they nerf it to the ground can't wait to see the rr a situational gun that is only good at 70+ m because that's fair right We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals



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