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GLOBAL RAGE
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Posted - 2014.01.16 08:48:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Eko Sol wrote:Tch Tch wrote:Eko Sol wrote:I just want to throw this out there but, technically, the RR wouldn't have typical recoil. It would have equal dispersal to the outside of the weapon. This means that there would actually be zero recoil in the reverse of the direction of the projectile. Again, it would go out to the "sides" of the rifle but since it is even it will appear non-existent and not affect aim.
I say this to prove the point that this is a game and so they made recoil against all of physics. Just like dropping a tank on top of a tower over 150m in the air and being able to shoot at better than 45 degree angles downward from a 90 degree flat and parallel land/tile.
It's a game. Let it be a game first and then accurate later.
About the hip shooting. Here is another interesting fact. if you train a person who has never fired a weapon 20 hours how to fire down the sight using the eye and 20 hours from the hip they are more accurate from the hip. This goes for hand guns though...not rifles (at least not to my knowledge).
It's a game.
Interested why the rail rifle wouldn't have typical recoil as per Newton's Three Laws. The bullets going out would have a momentum. The rifle would have an equal momentum backwards ie recoil. If you could fire fast enough you would have a rocket engine. You would not. Lauching a projectile via a "Rail" mechanism involves complex electro-magnetic math where the forward force is generated from at a perpendicular angle and NOT from behind the projectile. I don't explain physics on forums but I'll try to summarize it in a sentence. The force applied is electro-magnetic and the "recoil" would happen on the projectile in the reverse direction and thus a perpendicular force would have a perpindicular recoil. In addition, Newtonian Physics applies to mostly gravity and not thermodynamics, electro-magnetism, and quantum physics. Newtonian physics is also just algebra where as modern spacetime and gravity physics is calculus. Go talk with your physics teacher if you have one. EDIT: Perpendicular to the axis in which you are aiming the projectile. You are partially correct. A single is projectile is normally impelled by a series of rings or rails along the barrel that are actived in sequential order which effectively accelerates the projectile to terminal velocity by "passing" the projective from ring to ring with increasine velocity. If it were were single magnetic impulsion then your that invovled repellent magentic force there would be some validity to your theory. To my knowledge, none the functional rail systems use anything remote like that kind of system.
I'm with JL on this one. CCP calls systems RIFLES when they are actually GUNS. The feet per second that these rounds are traveling at, if rifle twist @ 1:10 the round would have been spun up to over 500,000 RPM- they would disintegrate in flight. In gun theory a plasma envelope would help in aero stability, and using light weight metal impregnated ceramic pellets would work in a coil gun creating the kinetic energy needed. The velocity that most of DUST's weapons produce infer the the breach psi would have to be was over 150,000 psi, making the light weapons very heavy due to barrel weight. ya ya invisible aluminium ....lol!
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:45:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
I'm with JL on this one. CCP calls systems RIFLES when they are actually GUNS. The feet per second that these rounds are traveling at, if rifle twist @ 1:10 the round would have been spun up to over 500,000 RPM- they would disintegrate in flight. In gun theory a plasma envelope would help in aero stability, and using light weight metal impregnated ceramic pellets would work in a coil gun creating the kinetic energy needed without recoil. The velocity that most of DUST's weapons produce infer that the breach/chamber psi would have to be over 150,000 psi (explosive propelled ) , making the light weapons very heavy due to barrel weight. ya ya invisible aluminium ....lol!
JL's physics teacher is Uncle Sam, how's life in the Shadow of Mt. Ranier?
Peace/out-from sunny Tampa
Good to hear from you, Rage. I'm still in the area but on short trip at the behest of my physics teacher.  The majority of my work ref. rail gun or novel kinetic penetrators was on the operational capabilities requirements and applied sciences end not really raw physics. I actually found the use fo the charge up time to be pretty interesting by CCP. One of the biggest problems with practical application of rail gun technology in current form is surge capability from capacitors. We can generate the appropriate levels of power for vehicle mounted systems and use the energy once delivered, however, delivering the surge required was always the longest pole in the tent. Effectively the micro-charge on the RR kinda simulates the load and dump of the capacitor systems...probably totally by accident but it's kinda neat. Look me up in game and shoot me your channel and we'll sqd up.
The use of carbon nano tubes in layers looks like the capacitor holy grail for electron storage. The ability to produce sheets of carbon nano film, adhesives and the right rare earth elements are missing, but research goes on. FSU and Harvard Med. are looking at acid baths similar to those used in protein research.
Looks like Big Blue will have their Destroyer platform online soon, squids got the juice..lol
Peace/out
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:08:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:the rail rifle is fine. stop the qq, whiners. Maybe the Ar just needs a buff then, it'll be fine with the same range as the rr right, that's completely balanced right?
I personally would like playstyle balance, but until we get racial suit unity i.e. Caldari with RR vs Gallente with AR-CCP cannot balance.
With this in mind keeping the RR with todays damage and range specifications into 1.8, with an increase in reload time, as the NERF, makes sense in regards to the ccp proposed racial bonus of reload speed for CAL suits. So any bonus to making suit/weapon/RACE balance i'm 100% behind.
you can back the lore up with the above, because the suits operating systems would be different and secured security would effect a weapons operation. |
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:18:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more.
Gaussie is perfectly fine.
I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs.
Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster.
Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon).
Its easy:
AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast
RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot.
large platform rail weapons in RL have minimal recoil.
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:24:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:the rail rifle is fine. stop the qq, whiners. Maybe the Ar just needs a buff then, it'll be fine with the same range as the rr right, that's completely balanced right? I personally would like playstyle balance, but until we get racial suit unity i.e. Caldari with RR vs Gallente with AR-CCP cannot balance. With this in mind keeping the RR with todays damage and range specifications into 1.8, with an increase in reload time makes sense in regards to the ccp proposed racial bonus of reload speed for CAL suits. So any bonus to making suit/weapon/RACE balance i'm 100% behind. you can back the lore up with the above, because the suits operating systems would be different and secured security would effect a weapons operation. Actually devs have already stated that the damage is the,problem and it's being reduced next build, and reload speed isn't a very reliable balance point for the rail rifle's stats, just like how the charge is. Racial unity definitely takes a backseat to base stats, unless the bonuses are high enough to balance it.
the bonuses should be made to offset a considerable increase to reload speed aka reload nerf.
CCP wants to put we Caldari out on the street with gimped weapons vs snipers and tanks..lol |
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:33:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more.
Gaussie is perfectly fine.
I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs.
Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster.
Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon).
Its easy:
AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast
RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot. large platform rail weapons in RL have minimal recoil. Rl < balance, and a rifle isn't exactly a large platform.
my point being if it does not recoil it doesn't recoil. The physic's stay constant with scale, and in RL it's a 155mm round traveling over 200 miles with minimal recoil.
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:38:00 -
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To: Vermin DOE.
Hey kid here is some lifes advice, make sure your correct before you insult someone. I never argued for nor against any AR attribute. |
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