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Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 140	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:01:00 - [121] - Quote Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more. Gaussie is perfectly fine. I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs. Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster. Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon). Its easy: AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 18	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:08:00 - [122] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: the rail rifle is fine. stop the qq, whiners. Maybe the Ar just needs a buff then, it'll be fine with the same range as the rr right, that's completely balanced right? I personally would like playstyle balance, but until we get racial suit unity i.e. Caldari with RR vs Gallente with AR-CCP cannot balance. With this in mind keeping the RR with todays damage and range specifications into 1.8, with an increase in reload time, as the NERF, makes sense in regards to the ccp proposed racial bonus of reload speed for CAL suits. So any bonus to making suit/weapon/RACE balance i'm 100% behind. you can back the lore up with the above, because the suits operating systems would be different and secured security would effect a weapons operation.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:13:00 - [123] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more. Gaussie is perfectly fine. I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs. Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster. Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon). Its easy: AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 361	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:17:00 - [124] - Quote It does, just turn AA off. 32db Mad Bomber.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 18	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:18:00 - [125] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more. Gaussie is perfectly fine. I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs. Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster. Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon). Its easy: AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot. large platform rail weapons in RL have minimal recoil.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:19:00 - [126] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: the rail rifle is fine. stop the qq, whiners. Maybe the Ar just needs a buff then, it'll be fine with the same range as the rr right, that's completely balanced right? I personally would like playstyle balance, but until we get racial suit unity i.e. Caldari with RR vs Gallente with AR-CCP cannot balance. With this in mind keeping the RR with todays damage and range specifications into 1.8, with an increase in reload time makes sense in regards to the ccp proposed racial bonus of reload speed for CAL suits. So any bonus to making suit/weapon/RACE balance i'm 100% behind. you can back the lore up with the above, because the suits operating systems would be different and secured security would effect a weapons operation. Actually devs have already stated that the damage is the,problem and it's being reduced next build, and reload speed isn't a very reliable balance point for the rail rifle's stats, just like how the charge is. Racial unity definitely takes a backseat to base stats, unless the bonuses are high enough to balance it. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:20:00 - [127] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more. Gaussie is perfectly fine. I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs. Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster. Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon). Its easy: AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot. large platform rail weapons in RL have minimal recoil. Rl < balance, and a rifle isn't exactly a large platform. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 18	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:24:00 - [128] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: the rail rifle is fine. stop the qq, whiners. Maybe the Ar just needs a buff then, it'll be fine with the same range as the rr right, that's completely balanced right? I personally would like playstyle balance, but until we get racial suit unity i.e. Caldari with RR vs Gallente with AR-CCP cannot balance. With this in mind keeping the RR with todays damage and range specifications into 1.8, with an increase in reload time makes sense in regards to the ccp proposed racial bonus of reload speed for CAL suits. So any bonus to making suit/weapon/RACE balance i'm 100% behind. you can back the lore up with the above, because the suits operating systems would be different and secured security would effect a weapons operation. Actually devs have already stated that the damage is the,problem and it's being reduced next build, and reload speed isn't a very reliable balance point for the rail rifle's stats, just like how the charge is. Racial unity definitely takes a backseat to base stats, unless the bonuses are high enough to balance it. the bonuses should be made to offset a considerable increase to reload speed aka reload nerf. CCP wants to put we Caldari out on the street with gimped weapons vs snipers and tanks..lol
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 18	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:33:00 - [129] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more. Gaussie is perfectly fine. I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs. Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster. Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon). Its easy: AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot. large platform rail weapons in RL have minimal recoil. Rl < balance, and a rifle isn't exactly a large platform. my point being if it does not recoil it doesn't recoil. The physic's stay constant with scale, and in RL it's a 155mm round traveling over 200 miles with minimal recoil.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:03:00 - [130] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Nope i told that many times before and tell that many times more. Gaussie is perfectly fine. I was many times put down by ARs, SMGs, with Shotguns or with MGs. Rail Rifle is balanced and honestly if someone cant kill me with AR i thing its not problem or AR but its issue of hands who shooting it. Because AR is more stable and faster. Gaussie have advantage on range and power, how it should be by lore (its caldari weapon). Its easy: AR - Reliable/Stable/Fast RR - Powerfull/LongerRanged Lore wise railguns put out much less damage in exchange for range, most ships about double in dps switching from rails to blasters. The recoil is almost identical, if not more controllable on the rr because of it's lower rate of fire, and the ar's faster rof is compensated by the rr's high damage per shot. large platform rail weapons in RL have minimal recoil. Rl < balance, and a rifle isn't exactly a large platform. my point being if it does not recoil it doesn't recoil. The physic's stay constant with scale, and in RL it's a 155mm round traveling over 200 miles with minimal recoil. in outer space, without atmospheric pressure to overcome it would be easier. So you argue that the ar is more stable yet you say the rr should have next to no recoil, it's obvious that you have no sense of balance. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy

GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 18	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:38:00 - [131] - Quote To: Vermin DOE. Hey kid here is some lifes advice, make sure your correct before you insult someone. I never argued for nor against any AR attribute.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 742	Posted - 2014.02.14 02:00:00 - [132] - Quote This escalated fairly sharply. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2975	Posted - 2014.02.14 02:03:00 - [133] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well here is the issue, it has to be stable and accurate to hit from far away, but that advantage is also reflecting onto the hip-fire as well, making it extremely powerful at close range. There are a couple factors you can play with here so I'll give my opinion of how to tweak the RR to make it less effective at close range but retain its advantage at long range. Increase Charge Time Slightly - The Charge time plays a much larger role in close quarters than it does at long range, by increasing the time it will be harder to fight up close. Nothing significant but a couple tenths of a second longer would be appropriate. Significantly increase recoil when fired from the hip - This gun should kick like a mule when fired from the hip. The dispersion should remain tight, but the recoil should be difficult to work with. Decrease turn speed when aiming down the sight (ADS)- Tracking speed isn't very critical when fighting from range, but it is critical up close. Reducing ADS tracking speed would prevent players from aiming down the sight to avoid the recoil at close range, but not hinder tracking at long range. For those who don't know: The RR charges up more 2x Faster than Proto Nova Knives. Yeah. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 554	Posted - 2014.02.14 02:59:00 - [134] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. Shouldnt ALL Rifles have terrible hipfire? At least compared to SMG's and Shotguns? yes Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Kurenai Senshi Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:58:00 - [135] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well here is the issue, it has to be stable and accurate to hit from far away, but that advantage is also reflecting onto the hip-fire as well, making it extremely powerful at close range. There are a couple factors you can play with here so I'll give my opinion of how to tweak the RR to make it less effective at close range but retain its advantage at long range. Increase Charge Time Slightly - The Charge time plays a much larger role in close quarters than it does at long range, by increasing the time it will be harder to fight up close. Nothing significant but a couple tenths of a second longer would be appropriate. Significantly increase recoil when fired from the hip - This gun should kick like a mule when fired from the hip. The dispersion should remain tight, but the recoil should be difficult to work with. Decrease turn speed when aiming down the sight (ADS)- Tracking speed isn't very critical when fighting from range, but it is critical up close. Reducing ADS tracking speed would prevent players from aiming down the sight to avoid the recoil at close range, but not hinder tracking at long range. You suck it will unbalance the game so if this does happen to the rail rifle all the other weapons should have like 10 damage or 20 seconds charge time or fast overheating
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2772	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:59:00 - [136] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. yep weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5104	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:48:00 - [137] - Quote A question for the people who think it's a good idea to reduce turn speed while aiming down sights... I know turret tracking speed in EVE works like this, but it's about turrets mounted on spaceships. I know turret tracking speed on vehicles in DUST works like this, but it's about turrets mounted on vehicles. Where exactly in the lore can you find a reason why your enhanced super-soldier would magically turn slower while holding one particular light weapon than s/he can while holding a different gun in the same class? And more importantly, where exactly in the lore can you find a reason why a person holding a gun and firing without aiming down sights would be capable of turning faster than THE SAME PERSON using THE SAME WEAPON but with their eye to the scope on the weapon? It's not that the mechanics don't work elsewhere. It's that they don't make any logical sense at all in the context of infantry combat. By all means, make the Rail Rifle less effective for CQC. Maybe they could have a minimum effective range, with the explanation that the projectile heats up and converts to plasma after leaving the barrel, and before the friction from its hyper-accelerated movement kicks it into a plasma state, the physical impact is less damaging than the plasma charge it turns into. This mechanic could be applied to ALL rail-based weapons, making them less damaging within their minimum range, but then they could deal full damage from that point out to maximum range, effectively operating in a reverse manner to the optimal/effective/maximum range process other weapons work by.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 196	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:02:00 - [138] - Quote The RR is basically the SR's little sibling--it fires sabots at almost Mach 7. That's absolutely fricken insane--it sure as heck better kick! On this note, the fact that it comes default with full-auto, after the initial charge, is bunk. Is the logic here that somehow, after charging the capacitor what, about 1/3 of a second, there's enough juice to empty a clip? The RR, like the CR, should not be full-auto by default. There should be a full-auto variant, to be sure, but by default it should fire like the tactical AR (semi-auto, maybe the logic is that the capacitor recharges between each trigger pull). Or if this would lead to too much QQ, it needs to have a ROF that's, at best, about 120 RPM. By all means, increase it's DPS, just make applying that DPS more difficult. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 383	Posted - 2014.04.15 00:18:00 - [139] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good. No. At the contrary it's supposed to be the weapon with the best hip fire of all rifles. (See the "breach" descriptions of AR.) Rail rifle is the Breach Version of rifles. => Low ROF and bigger recoil but really good hip-fire pretty crap range and average damage. FTFY All other breach weapons have terrible range. This is the problem of the RR. It has all the benefits of Breach weapons, and yet lacks the range weakness. SOURCE: Try taking on targets at STD AR range with a Breach AR. Talk about damage dropoff. Apparently Breach AR used to have much more range. Then it had the sht nerfed out of it. Ah yes, the forgotten terror that was the Creodron Breach Assault Rifle. You see, even before the first advent of the Tac AR (not the one in Uprising, before that one), the most powerful weapon on the field was the Creodron Breach AR. This was back in the days when ARs still had scopes, and the Creodron Breach has both long range and extreme damage, with only a minor fire rate decrease to hold it back. Thus, people abused the *** out of it, far more than Rail Rifles and far worse than Laser Rifles with Sharpshooter Prof 5. Then CCP nerfed it into the ground and no one ever spoke of it again. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust


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