Breach weapons are high damage short range weapons the rail is supposed to be long range NOT a CQC weapon

Well here is the issue, it has to be stable and accurate to hit from far away, but that advantage is also reflecting onto the hip-fire as well, making it extremely powerful at close range.

There are a couple factors you can play with here so I'll give my opinion of how to tweak the RR to make it less effective at close range but retain its advantage at long range.

• Increase Charge Time Slightly - The Charge time plays a much larger role in close quarters than it does at long range, by increasing the time it will be harder to fight up close. Nothing significant but a couple tenths of a second longer would be appropriate.
• Significantly increase recoil when fired from the hip - This gun should kick like a mule when fired from the hip. The dispersion should remain tight, but the recoil should be difficult to work with.
• Decrease turn speed when aiming down the sight (ADS)- Tracking speed isn't very critical when fighting from range, but it is critical up close. Reducing ADS tracking speed would prevent players from aiming down the sight to avoid the recoil at close range, but not hinder tracking at long range.

user skill will never be even. if u can get all headshots with the SCR congratulations, you will do well with any weapon. Aim is king in shooter, no one will ever debate this. but when the weapon design is bad and everyone can use it against how it was intended it may be time for tuning.

the RR simply cant be designed as a close quarters weapon or it has no weaknesses. it and weapons like the SCR should have bat hipfire. the GEK & HMG should have good hipfire and faster ADS as they both gets outranged by weapons like the CR, SCR and RR. The CR should be the most balanced with solid ADS and and solid hipfire..though not as good as the SMG, HMG or gallente AR.

How is it any different? Its two units with a weapon, moving and shooting at each other.

Anyways did some quick calcs in my head for your scout scenario.

At 80m and a Scout sprinting a 9m/s (which I think its actually faster than top speed) sprinting at a 90 degree angle from you, you would need a rotation speed of about 6.5 degrees a second to track him. At that speed it would take a little under a minute to do a full 360 rotation while aiming down the sight.....obviously this is insanely slow and I would never suggest it to be anything near that slow.

At 30m under the same conditions, you would need a rotation speed of 17 degrees a second, or about 21 seconds to rotate 360 degrees. Again, also rather slow.

I'll admit I have not done the calcs to see what the actual ADS turn rate is, but I can assure you it is not nearly as slow as these calculations require. In addition, this is a scout SPRINTING tangential to your line of sight. If he is moving normally, or moving at all away or closer to you, the needed rotation speed drops drastically.

Notice that the Rail Rifle doesn't have an accuracy rating in it's info, that's because it has perfect accuracy, your shot lands where the reticle is (or would be). I think it's working as intended. How are you people being killed by Rail Rifles in CQC?

Incorrect. Heavies had reduced rotation speed all the time, which caused issues with movement because that speed reduction was on 100% of the time. I'm merely proposing a rotation speed reduction when aiming down the sight, completely different.

Someone is grumpy

Also a weapon like the HMG should not have reduce ADS speed, that goes against the concept of close range weapons which is exactly what the HMG is. However for a long range weapon such as the Rail Rifle, it is a balancing mechanic. As I stated earlier, this is exactly how it works in EVE to much success.