It's like the forge gun all over again let's all just scream nerf till its useless yea because ccp listens. When they here nerf they nerf it to the ground can't wait to see the rr a situational gun that is only good at 70+ m because that's fair right

Ok riddle me this if it's so op then why in my heavy suit can only a cr scr or ar beat me in cqc but not the rr? Or maybe it's because the rr hits hard and does bonus damage to armor did you guys ever figure that into count? Especially since most people use armor suits they will feel the shot but in my Caldari suit I barely feel it. Tank shields and strafe you'll be fine no need to nerf anything except for the rof on RR and cr

It's like the forge gun all over again let's all just scream nerf till its useless yea because ccp listens. When they here nerf they nerf it to the ground can't wait to see the rr a situational gun that is only good at 70+ m because that's fair right

So... this is just another "buff the AR" thread? Wow... I thought we were past this guys.

Its not buff at all. its more allow it the strengths/weaknesses it should have. I agree Gallente AR (with iron sights) should have the fastest ADS and best hipfire.

Its recoil is really noticeable but I noticed the other night that its actually better if you hip-fire it. Its a long range weapon, right? shouldnt the hipfire be horrible then? I like the weapon but its another tac ar if the hipfire is good.

no. youll notice that from assault riflr to combat rifle and then rail rifle, your hip fire seem to "improve".

yes and also no. the hip fire accuracy is for the weapons intended range. in this case the size of the reticule should be completely filled by the target at its intended range. so for assault rifles its around 5m.

5m is pretty close for "full" damage accuracy, but it means youll be more likely to hit a strafing or otherwise non stationary target easier than you would with a rail rifle at 5m.

next time you play try each weapon and pay attention to how far you need to be to fill the reticule with a target. thats the intended range.

if you rail rifles are hitting you with hip fire then you arent close enough...

It is fair, kinda like how the AR is only good at like 45- m? Differences in effective range are a part of the game, and long range weapons should be difficult to use at close range, just as short range weapons should be difficult to use at long range.

I posted some suggestions earlier in the thread to tweak the RR making it less viable at close range, do you feel those changes were unreasonable?

The gun is not the Problem It's Perfectly Fine. The problem is AA... People who actually know how to Shoot, us ADS while Shooting. Saw a suggestion up here about making the Tracking lower?! Really?!

user skill will never be even. if u can get all headshots with the SCR congratulations, you will do well with any weapon. Aim is king in shooter, no one will ever debate this. but when the weapon design is bad and everyone can use it against how it was intended it may be time for tuning.

the RR simply cant be designed as a close quarters weapon or it has no weaknesses. it and weapons like the SCR should have bat hipfire. the GEK & HMG should have good hipfire and faster ADS as they both gets outranged by weapons like the CR, SCR and RR. The CR should be the most balanced with solid ADS and and solid hipfire..though not as good as the SMG, HMG or gallente AR.

user skill will never be even. if u can get all headshots with the SCR congratulations, you will do well with any weapon. Aim is king in shooter, no one will ever debate this. but when the weapon design is bad and everyone can use it against how it was intended it may be time for tuning.

the RR simply cant be designed as a close quarters weapon or it has no weaknesses. it and weapons like the SCR should have bat hipfire. the GEK & HMG should have good hipfire and faster ADS as they both gets outranged by weapons like the CR, SCR and RR. The CR should be the most balanced with solid ADS and and solid hipfire..though not as good as the SMG, HMG or gallente AR.

RR has a weakness slow rof and charge up. You can fire 2 bursts with the cr in that time almost 4 shots with the at scr idk 3-5 hmg 100's. If you die from a rail rifle and complain because it killed you at 30m don't stand still move or wait till he reloads the rail rifle is very easy to manipulate

Actually lower tracking is exactly how railguns are balance in EVE. They have high damage but low tracking which makes them difficult to use against enemies up close with a high traversal velocity, but easy to use at long range where traversal is low. Blasters on the other hang have extremely high tracking, very high damage, but stupidly short range.

My proposed lower tracking on the RR would only apply to ADS, this is because I also proposed significant recoil for the RR when fired from the hip. The decreased tracking would discouraged people from using ADS in close quarters to avoid that increased recoil, but would not negatively affect long range combat since traversal velocity is slow at range.

I think no weaknesses is a poor way to put it. I think the inherent weaknesses the RR has a close range are not prominent enough, making it more effective in CQC than was originally intended.

I think no weaknesses is a poor way to put it. I think the inherent weaknesses the RR has a close range are not prominent enough, making it more effective in CQC than was originally intended.

Since I'm a prominent user of the RR I'll chime in here. The only time my RR has any success in close range is when someone boxes themselves in and they can't get away. That being said, when I'm up against someone that can stick and move like they should then I have serious difficulty in the close range and lose. The biggest issue I find with people is that they run away from the RR like they would an AR. The problem is that you are giving an RR what they want. Instead, find cover immediately even if you are 60m away from the RR. People stay in the open and try to fight it out against an RR. There is no other weapon before 1.7 that required you to find cover at 60+ meters away. So everyone has this bad habbit of just moving left to right. FIND COVER.

ur whining right now bro. RR is basically the Tac AR right now if it has great hipfire. Best hipfire should be the gallente weapons......I agree with the guys who recommended slower ADS. Since this is EVE the racial differences have to matter.

NAV I think you're misunderstanding me.

I think Plasma Rifle should be used ADS which is why it needs to have fast tracking when ADS since it is supposed to be used in CQC where traversal is high. The RR SHOULD be difficult to use in CQC, even when ADS because that's how rails are balanced to be ineffective in close quarters.

The increase to hipfire recoil in RR would be to prevent less skilled players from taking advantage of the very stable RR and hipfiring with pinpoint accuracy. Unfortunately you can't reduce tracking from the hip as it would hinder simple movement.

If you're fighting around the optimal range of the RR, tracking isn't an issue. I use it quite frequently and would not suffer at all from reduced tracking if fighting at the appropriate range.

LOL the CR outclasses AR by a lot right now. The only thing to Counter a CR right now is Another CR or pure luck. People using RR for CQC start firing even before turning a corner, can't blame that on the weapon. It's called player ingenuity. lol

good point, that goes back 2 my point about player skill, where anticipation plays a big role. although I would say the charge up time should be increased a bit just like the CR ROF probably needs to come down.

isn't the entire range of the rail its optimal?

NAV I think you're misunderstanding me.

I think Plasma Rifle should be used ADS which is why it needs to have fast tracking when ADS since it is supposed to be used in CQC where traversal is high. The RR SHOULD be difficult to use in CQC, even when ADS because that's how rails are balanced to be ineffective in close quarters.

The increase to hipfire recoil in RR would be to prevent less skilled players from taking advantage of the very stable RR and hipfiring with pinpoint accuracy. Unfortunately you can't reduce tracking from the hip as it would hinder simple movement.

If you're fighting around the optimal range of the RR, tracking isn't an issue. I use it quite frequently and would not suffer at all from reduced tracking if fighting at the appropriate range.

Negative. If that were the case there would no point in using any other rifle.

Basically how they do it in EVE is optimal range is a calculated value that incorporates how far the gun can shoot before it starts losing damage, accuracy, and tracking speed. Long range weapons suffer from poor tracking, which means they can't rotate fast enough to hit stuff up close, but their damage reaches out very far.

This gives turrets a sort of doughnut of optimal range, too close and the turret misses, too far and the damage falls off significantly.